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TSKO - 29 Oct 2006 21:01 GMT
Okay....I had said in an earlier post that I am quite new to the whole
digital camera thing.  I spent 20 years using a Nikon 2020 and always taking
pictures in manual mode.

Well, upon getting a D50 I got lazy and started to take my pictures in full
auto mode.  A few days ago I had taken the camera to a nice outdoorsy
setting and took some pictures (in full auto mode).  Well, upon getting home
and downloading the pictures to a computer....all of them, for lack of a
better word---sucked!

I have vowed to go back to taking pictures manually but upon looking into
the camera manual instructions, this looks a bit daunting.

My question is, for your average joe photographer....and this is just to
satisfy my curiosity......how do ppl take their pictures?  As far as how do
you use your camera (I know every picture taking oppurtunity is
different)...but do ppl go full auto....S mode...A mode...totally manual?
It just seems that if you go totally manual...there seem to be other
settings on the camera to set beyond the standard F-stop/AP settings---like
the white balance and 1 other one which the name escapes me right now.  LIke
I said, the whole thing now is a bit daunting to me.  I want to regain my
power in taking over in the camera's settings but there seems to be a fair
amount to think about anymore as far as to what to set the camera at.

I am rambling.....but I am just curious as to how ppl take their
pictures....in what mode I should say.

Any help would be greatly appreciate.
Charles Schuler - 29 Oct 2006 21:38 GMT
> Okay....I had said in an earlier post that I am quite new to the whole
> digital camera thing.  I spent 20 years using a Nikon 2020 and always
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> there seems to be a fair amount to think about anymore as far as to what
> to set the camera at.

Why not first try P mode where you can vary either the aperture or the
shutter speed to suit your needs (called shifting the program).  Also, can
you select the exposure point or bias it to the center of the view (don't
have any experience with your camera)?

Actually, manual exposure is not all that tough; but why not experiment with
P mode first?

White balance affects color and should be set to match the light source
(e.g. daylight or flash).

ISO is sensitivity and can be boosted for low-light shots or where you'd
like a fast shutter speed.
TSKO - 29 Oct 2006 22:09 GMT
>> Okay....I had said in an earlier post that I am quite new to the whole
>> digital camera thing.  I spent 20 years using a Nikon 2020 and always
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> ISO is sensitivity and can be boosted for low-light shots or where you'd
> like a fast shutter speed.

That sounds like a good place to start.  Thanx for the info.

I never thought I would go digital because I consider myself a bit old
school when it comes to taking pictures...but for playing around, you cant
go wrong w/ digital.

If anyone else has anything to offer, I would appreciate it.
Mike Fields - 30 Oct 2006 03:02 GMT
>>> Okay....I had said in an earlier post that I am quite new to the
>>> whole digital camera thing.  I spent 20 years using a Nikon 2020 and
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>
> If anyone else has anything to offer, I would appreciate it.

Couple of sites for you to snoop around on and get some
ideas:

http://www.kenrockwell.com/
http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/d50/d50-settings.htm
http://www.bythom.com/d50guide.htm

The D50 guide by Thom is an "ebook" but many people
really seem to like it.  I just got the D70 version 500+
pages or so but have not had a chance to play with it
yet (soccer games all weekend).

mikey
faune8 - 11 Nov 2006 20:10 GMT
I have a 30d canon and sometimes I use completely manual and guess
what..theyy are the best pics I shoot. Just take a reading on some gray
card and that's it.
   When I started in photography I learned to shoot with the kodak
instructions on the box.
i.e. Sunny Speed= closeset settings F16
    Sunny on the beach F22
open shade F5.6 Cloudy F8 etc. Since the f stops don't match on a digital I
just take a reading on a grey card and bingo.
               Jean Bouchard

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Ed Ruf  (REPLY to E-MAIL IN SIG!) - 29 Oct 2006 22:15 GMT
>Okay....I had said in an earlier post that I am quite new to the whole
>digital camera thing.  I spent 20 years using a Nikon 2020 and always taking
>pictures in manual mode.

>I have vowed to go back to taking pictures manually but upon looking into
>the camera manual instructions, this looks a bit daunting.

I don't understand what the problem is. Forget what you find daunting in
the D50 manual and just start taking photos in manual mode as you did with
the 2020, adjusting exposure as needed.
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Colin_D - 29 Oct 2006 22:35 GMT
> Okay....I had said in an earlier post that I am quite new to the whole
> digital camera thing.  I spent 20 years using a Nikon 2020 and always taking
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>
> Any help would be greatly appreciate.

'Sucked' is not exactly a definitive description of your problems.  If
you could be more specific, maybe post an image or two so we can see
what you are talking about.  On the surface at least, all modern dSLR
cameras from any of the big makers - Canon, Minolta/Sony, Nikon, Pentax
(in alphabetic order in case some zealots charge me with bias) - do very
well with automatic exposure and focusing, and at a far greater speed
than is possible manually.

Lacking any detail to go on, some of the most common problems are:
playing with the new camera and inadvertently altering some setting like
exposure compensation so that shots are incorrectly exposed; running at
very high ISO and getting noisy images; improper use of the various
metering modes, e.g. spot metering on the wrong tone; setting the image
size too small in order to get more shots on the card and then trying to
get good 10x8's; and more that don't come to mind.

Then there is the possibility that your shots are ok, but your computer
setup is not appropriate for handling images.  What sort of monitor are
you using, and how old is it? Is it calibrated, or at least set for
6500K and a reasonable gray balance?  Some lcd monitors are just plain
horrible for displaying images.

I set my camera to no exp. comp; either (P)rogram, or Av if I wish to
maintain a known aperture; ISO usually 100 to 400 depending on light and
motion factors, White balance to auto, unless I am in difficult lighting
and then I will custom balance from a neutral gray card, usually Adobe
RGB, and almost always shoot RAW.  This is on a Canon, but a D50 should
be similar.

Tell us more,

Colin D.

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TSKO - 29 Oct 2006 23:34 GMT
>> Okay....I had said in an earlier post that I am quite new to the whole
>> digital camera thing.  I spent 20 years using a Nikon 2020 and always
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>
> Colin D.

I know, I am not offering any real information.

I guess I just want to know basically is how ppl set their camera to take
pictures be it full auto..manual...A mode..P mode.  What is the most 'used'
setting  for someone who just takes pictures for fun.  The average joe like
me.  Is that too basic of a question?

Sometimes reading a manual can just sort of be 'confusing' a bit.  I should
just go with what I know from using my 2020 and go from there.

I still forget that I have a digital camera and can play around with the
settings, as it were and not worry about wasting film.
Marc Sabatella - 30 Oct 2006 00:36 GMT
>> 'Sucked' is not exactly a definitive description of your problems.
>> If you could be more specific
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> most 'used' setting  for someone who just takes pictures for fun.  The
> average joe like me.  Is that too basic of a question?

It's not too basic, it's just unanswerable, really.  Lots of people
leave their cameras on the most automatic setting it has.  Some find
that every once in a while something comes out not their liking, so they
use whatever setting is available to let them override this.  Depending
on what it is they aren't liking, that could mean using A mode, T mode,
or M mode, or adding EV compensation, or changing WB, or changing ISO,
etc.  Some find they often want to be making some of these settings.
And some virtually always do.

For me personally, I use P mode a fair amount of the time, with AWB, but
ISO set to 200 rather than Auto.  If I don't like the exposure I see on
the review, I use EV compensation as a first defense.  If I don't like
the aperture or shutter speed chosen, I use A or T modes, and/or change
the ISO if necessary.  If I don't like the WB, I change that - but this
is completely unrelated to what exposure mode I am in.  When I have a
fully manual lens on my camera, I go to M mode.

> Sometimes reading a manual can just sort of be 'confusing' a bit.  I
> should just go with what I know from using my 2020 and go from there.

That's a good start.  I'd recommend reading the manul, though, to see
what the camera can do, and when something jumps out at you as likely to
address whatever problems you are seeing, learn how to do that.

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Moe & Helen - 30 Oct 2006 00:31 GMT
> Okay....I had said in an earlier post that I am quite new to the whole
> digital camera thing.  I spent 20 years using a Nikon 2020 and always
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>
> Any help would be greatly appreciate.

You might find this website very helpful. Costs nothing to look  :-)    Good
luck !
http://www.digicamhelp.com/index.php
Bill - 30 Oct 2006 09:53 GMT
> Okay....I had said in an earlier post that I am quite new to the
> whole digital camera thing.  I spent 20 years using a Nikon 2020 and
> always taking pictures in manual mode.
>
> Well, upon getting a D50 I got lazy and started to take my pictures
> in full auto mode.

Why would you use Auto mode when you know how to use manual? Auto mode
is for newbies who don't know anything about exposure control, or when
you ask your neighbour to take a shot for you, etc.

> I have vowed to go back to taking pictures manually but upon looking
> into the camera manual instructions, this looks a bit daunting.

There is nothing really daunting.

Forget about the instructions and do it the way you know works. Set
the camera in manual mode, adjust aperture and shutter for the
exposure you want to achieve, and start shooting. Digital cameras work
the same as film when it comes to exposures - the only difference
really is the recording media.

The only time you should need to use the manual is to learn about a
feature, or to find out how to adjust a specific setting or control
that you haven't used yet. Keep the manual handy for those times. I
just recently bought my third digital camera (Nikon D80 I bought last
week and had fun with it on the weekend), so I don't really have much
use for the manual since most of the controls are familiar, but I have
it in the camera bag in case I need to refer to it for a feature or
control I have yet to use.

> My question is, for your average joe photographer....and this is
> just to satisfy my curiosity......how do ppl take their pictures?

I use all of the settings in the creative modes (P,A,S,M).

I tend to use aperture priority mode the most for static subjects
because I like to have control over depth of field, be it shallow or
deep. For moving subjects, I often use shutter priority to get the
effect of motion I want. I use manual mode for odd shots like shooting
the sky at night, the moon, star trails, scenery, etc. But that's just
a very general guideline...I've probably used almost every mode on the
camera for all of the above, depending on what I want to obtain in the
shot.

The automatic modes with little pictograms, like full auto, portrait,
landscape, night portrait, etc., I generally have no use for them. I
always take a few snaps in each mode to ensure they work when I buy a
new camera, but I've never really had an interest using those settings
myself. They're on the camera for inexperienced users who don't know
how to adjust the camera to obtain the results they want.

In the end, who cares what others use? There's a reason why there are
so many different settings on cameras, and you selectively use the one
that best suits the conditions and your own personal needs.
TSKO - 30 Oct 2006 19:34 GMT
>> Okay....I had said in an earlier post that I am quite new to the whole
>> digital camera thing.  I spent 20 years using a Nikon 2020 and always
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> many different settings on cameras, and you selectively use the one that
> best suits the conditions and your own personal needs.

Why would I go to full auto over manual?  My wife!  She would get tired of
me wanting to take a picture and setting everything on the camera the way I
wtd it set.  So I got lazy and went to auto.  That is my reason and I am
sticking to it!

LIke I said, it was just out of curiosity of what others use.  No other
reason than that.

Its like when someone gets a computer for the first time and has no idea how
to use one.  Its a bit overwhelming.  I know, cameras stay the same as far
as aperture and F stops...etc etc.....be it film or digital.......but having
never used a digital at all....it just seemed like a lot at first to grasp
with menu settings and buttons I have never used before.

Like I said, it was just a 'out of curiosity' type of question.  Thanx for
taking the time to give your insight to the whole thing.
Bill - 30 Oct 2006 20:55 GMT
>> Why would you use Auto mode when you know how to use manual? Auto
>> mode is for newbies who don't know anything about exposure control,
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> camera the way I wtd it set.  So I got lazy and went to auto.  That
> is my reason and I am sticking to it!

Well golly gee...I ain't so sure wherest you be, but here in Canaduh
we can beat our wives whenever we dung well feel like it, legally and
all too. Women know their place here.

So next time she wants to make a change on the camera, you just slap
that biatc# and straighten things out!

:-)
TSKO - 30 Oct 2006 20:57 GMT
>>> Why would you use Auto mode when you know how to use manual? Auto mode
>>> is for newbies who don't know anything about exposure control, or when
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>
> :-)

That is funny.  I might try that.  Camera's last longer than wives anyways.
Adrian Boliston - 30 Oct 2006 22:18 GMT
> My question is, for your average joe photographer....and this is just to
> satisfy my curiosity......how do ppl take their pictures?  As far as how
> do you use your camera (I know every picture taking oppurtunity is
> different)...but do ppl go full auto....S mode...A mode...totally manual?

Normal handheld outdoor photography I use S mode as I like to have a shutter
speed of about 1/100 sec and let the camera choose the aperture, although I
will drop the shutter speed a bit to get a smaller aperture if need be, but
if I'm shooting indoors I will set f2.8 and let the camera set the shutter
speed.   A lot of shots will blur, but I still get quite a few acceptable
handheld shots even at slow speeds like 1/10s.   I was shooting inside a
cathederal at the weekend and this guy was asking me about what settings I
was using and he said that he would be shooting ISO 1600 and "tidying up in
photoshop", and he seemed shocked i was using iso 200.  I'd rather get a few
blurred shots than sacrifice image quality by using a high ISO as my
subjects were static.

Cheers - Adrian www.boliston.co.uk
Ken Tough - 31 Oct 2006 05:43 GMT
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>Well, upon getting a D50 I got lazy and started to take my pictures in full
>auto mode.  A few days ago I had taken the camera to a nice outdoorsy
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>My question is, for your average joe photographer....and this is just to
>satisfy my curiosity......how do ppl take their pictures?  

I have found that (for me) the way to go is to shoot in jpg+raw (D70).
I found that worrying about additional settings (above film's f-stop &
shutter speed) such as contrast, colour saturation, and white balance,
make for too  difficult shooting.  The results without setting those
properly can turn what could be a great shot into at best okay.

So by shooting raw, I can effectively make all those settings after
the fact.  I shoot -0.3 exposure, so as to avoid blowing out pixels,
and generally use aperature priority auto since that's my habit from
the old FE2.  I also switched to d-SLR from 3040 for two main reasons:
decreasing minimum DOF, and eliminating shutter lag.  For the first
reason, I like to work with DOF and find it more logical to do this
through f-stop.  For the second reason, I like to avoid having to
worry about additional settings when shooting.

Anyway, that's the way I do it.  I find Photoshop lets me do a lot
of adjustment.  I chose it over Nikon's program because of the
ability to map colours to grey scaling, so making conversion to
B&W very powerful.  (The same as adding filters before shooting, but
with the great advantage of experimenting after the fact).

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Warren - 31 Oct 2006 18:12 GMT
>Okay....I had said in an earlier post that I am quite new to the whole
>digital camera thing.  I spent 20 years using a Nikon 2020 and always taking
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>
>Any help would be greatly appreciate.

Here is a link for D-50 instructions:

http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/d50/d50-settings.htm

It has many things that you have asked about AND it is specific to the
Nikon D-50!

Hope that this helps.

Warren
Mike Fields - 01 Nov 2006 03:26 GMT
>>Okay....I had said in an earlier post that I am quite new to the whole
>>digital camera thing.  I spent 20 years using a Nikon 2020 and always
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>
> Warren

Also check out the e-book on the D50 from Thom Hogan
http://www.bythom.com/d50guide.htm
620 pages for $30.  Lots of people have recommended that
book for filling in where the Nikon instruction manual leaves
off and clarifying lots of stuff.  I just bought it for the D70, but
have not had a chance to put it on my system yet.

mikey
 
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