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Photo Forum / Digital Photography / DSLR Cameras / November 2006PS. Jack of all trades, master of none?
PS is in danger of becomming what Windows has, a bloated cow complete with features that take ages to use (owing to the number of steps) and too many features no one will ever use. PS commits th cardinal sin some have pointed out about entry-level cameras, it buries finctionality in multi-level menus instead of putting them up front. With cameras, the reason is real estate, no room for button-driven functions on small entry-level cameras, with PS, there really is no reason other than bad software architecture. Why not produce two PS's? One for photographers who just want to refine their images and the other for the "artists" who work with the special effects part of the program? They could concentrate on streamlining and improving things like their noise reduction, panorama production methods, RAW conversion while leaving the non-essential stuff to the arts program. > PS is in danger of becomming what Windows has, a bloated cow complete > with features that take ages to use (owing to the number of steps) and [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > production methods, RAW conversion while leaving the non-essential > stuff to the arts program. I looked at the demo video of the complete CS2 and said, WOW, it will be the same steep learning curve, "I barely scratch the surface of what can be done in PS7, so I am still with PS7. But, I am 'merely' a hobbyist, who just putters around. > Why not produce two PS's? One for photographers who just want to > refine their images and the other for the "artists" who work with the > special effects part of the program? They already do.. Maybe you can explain what is "buried" and how, even if these comonly used things are hard to get to, the problem can't be solved using a hot key enabled action? Sounds more like somebody is lost trying to use some pirated software and is too cheap to get a book on the subject!  SignatureStacey > Sounds more like somebody is lost trying to use some pirated software and is > too cheap to get a book on the subject! He's copying something he read, which is all he ever does in his posts. Lightroom is coming along quite nicely with the latest beta; there's PSE. >> Sounds more like somebody is lost trying to use some pirated software and >> is >> too cheap to get a book on the subject! > > He's copying something he read, which is all he ever does in his posts. > Lightroom is coming along quite nicely with the latest beta; there's PSE. Currently up to version 5 I think. Mind you PSE does not have actions and I find that annoying (or have I missed it in one of the new versions?). > >> Sounds more like somebody is lost trying to use some pirated software and > >> is [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Currently up to version 5 I think. Mind you PSE does not have actions and I > find that annoying (or have I missed it in one of the new versions?). I was getting excited with the features of 5 but I hadn't checked that. If it doesn't, then it's a no go for me, I'll bite the bullet and get CS3 when it comes out. Greg In article <45441a43$0$18090$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>, > >> Sounds more like somebody is lost trying to use some pirated software and > >> is [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Currently up to version 5 I think. Mind you PSE does not have actions and I > find that annoying (or have I missed it in one of the new versions?). I don't know about PSE since I've never used it. I've got Photoshop CS2 and Lightroom, also GraphicConverter and Gimp (which I don't use much but have for the sake of completeness). I'm not a sophisticated user of CS2, so I haven't used actions. >Mind you PSE does not have actions and I find that annoying (or > have I missed it in one of the new versions?). No, still no creation of Actions in PSE5. You can use existing ones (provided the functions used also exist in PSE) though. Al Signature[This space left intentionally blank] > He's copying something he read, which is all he ever does in his posts. Yes, that pretty much covers it! > PS is in danger of becomming what Windows has, a bloated cow complete > with features that take ages to use (owing to the number of steps) and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > reason other than bad software architecture. > Why not produce two PS's? Are you talking about Photoshop? If so, do you have a brain? There are two versions of Photoshop. What is wrong with you? Greg >> PS is in danger of becomming what Windows has, a bloated cow complete >> with features that take ages to use (owing to the number of steps) and [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Greg Prescription ran out! SignatureSlack >Why not produce two PS's? One for photographers who just want to >refine their images and the other for the "artists" who work with the >special effects part of the program? There are. You just trolling? > PS is in danger of becomming what Windows has, a bloated cow complete > with features that take ages to use (owing to the number of steps) and [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > production methods, RAW conversion while leaving the non-essential > stuff to the arts program. Strange, I thought that was what Photoshop Elements was :-\ Eddie The Blue pill please Rich, NOW. > PS is in danger of becomming what Windows has, a bloated cow complete > with features that take ages to use (owing to the number of steps) and [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > production methods, RAW conversion while leaving the non-essential > stuff to the arts program. > The Blue pill please Rich, NOW. "Whir, click, whir....I must support PS and Canon to the exclusion of all else, all else, all....." >> The Blue pill please Rich, NOW. > > "Whir, click, whir....I must support PS and Canon to the exclusion of > all else, all else, all....." Damn, more confused than I thought! Three green pills for you tonight Mister Anderson!! And no water, be a big boy for once! >> The Blue pill please Rich, NOW. > >"Whir, click, whir....I must support PS and Canon to the exclusion of >all else, all else, all....." Did someone add a RichA function to the Tholenizer? He's getting sooo predictable. TR > Why not produce two PS's? One for photographers who just want to > refine their images and the other for the "artists" who work with the > special effects part of the program? They could concentrate on > streamlining and improving things like their noise reduction, panorama > production methods, RAW conversion while leaving the non-essential > stuff to the arts program. Gee, Rich, like Photoshop Elements, Photoshop CS and Adobe Creative Suite? SignatureSkip Middleton www.shadowcatcherimagery.com www.pbase.com/skipm > > Why not produce two PS's? One for photographers who just want to > > refine their images and the other for the "artists" who work with the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > > Gee, Rich, like Photoshop Elements, Photoshop CS and Adobe Creative Suite? "Elements?" I said split the program into two, not hobble it. > > > Why not produce two PS's? One for photographers who just want to > > > refine their images and the other for the "artists" who work with the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > "Elements?" I said split the program into two, not hobble it. "leaving the non-essential stuff to the arts program." You mean hobble. You're such a f.cking idiot. Greg > > > > Why not produce two PS's? One for photographers who just want to > > > > refine their images and the other for the "artists" who work with the [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Greg Oh God! Are you one of those stupid Brits whose crap we see in the magazines? They ike tinting an entire landscape purple or "adding" things to scene that weren't there in the first place? I'd put them right up there with wildlife photogs who shoot in zoos.... > > > > > Why not produce two PS's? One for photographers who just want to > > > > > refine their images and the other for the "artists" who work with the [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > that weren't there in the first place? I'd put them right up there > with wildlife photogs who shoot in zoos.... Poor Rich. Every time he gets to play with the big kids they pick on him. Must be his way of getting attention. Maybe he should start his own blog and post his opinions to his heart's content. SignatureGator Bait >> > Why not produce two PS's? One for photographers who just want to >> > refine their images and the other for the "artists" who work with the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >"Elements?" I said split the program into two, not hobble it. Okay, Rich. What would YOU put in the RichA Special Edition of Photoshop and what parts would you leave out? Also, what would YOU put back into Elements to make it not-so "hobbled"? Please be specific. TR >> Why not produce two PS's? One for photographers who just want to >> refine their images and the other for the "artists" who work with the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> > Gee, Rich, like Photoshop Elements, Photoshop CS and Adobe Creative Suite? Not to mention Lightroom, which R.O. and others have already..... Signaturejohn mcwilliams >PS is in danger of becomming what Windows has, a bloated cow complete >with features that take ages to use (owing to the number of steps) and [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >production methods, RAW conversion while leaving the non-essential >stuff to the arts program. Are you talking about Photoshop? If so, then it isn't Adobe's fault that you are too stupid or too lazy to learn to use the program. Buy a book, take a class, or stick with the Auto Colors. The keyboard shortcut is Shift-Ctrl-B. If you have an image that is slightly out of focus or needs some "pop", you may need to sharpen it up a bit. For you, I'd recommend the Smart Sharpen Filter; but if you ever feel "artistic" or a little adventurous, you might want to poke around the Unsharp Mask. Sorry, but these tools are buried in the Filter/Sharpen menu, and there aren't any keyboard shortcuts for these features. (I hope you can adust.) Here are some simple settings for the Smart Sharpen Filter. Amount = 55% Radius = 1 Pixel Remove = Gaussian Blur More Accurate = ON Here are some genteral purpose Unsharp Mask settings. Amount = 85% Radius = 1 Threshold = 3 There. Now you have almost everything you need to fix the photos from your next Henry's shoot. You do have a legitimate copy of one of the versions Photoshop, don't you? HTH TR > Why not produce two PS's? The _other_ version is actually Paint Shop Pro XI, now seen on sale for $50. For a photographer it does everything he needs, in an interface that thankfully is still more conventional Windows than WHIZZBANG. Also the shareware "Picture Window" is designed specifically for non-newbie photographers, but has a quirky interface not much to my liking. >PS is in danger of becomming what Windows has, a bloated cow complete >with features that take ages to use (owing to the number of steps) and [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >production methods, RAW conversion while leaving the non-essential >stuff to the arts program. What on earth do you think Adobe Photoshop Elements & Adobe Lightroom are, you idiot? SignatureW . | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because \|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est ---^----^--------------------------------------------------------------- >>PS is in danger of becomming what Windows has, a bloated cow complete >>with features that take ages to use (owing to the number of steps) and [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > What on earth do you think Adobe Photoshop Elements & Adobe Lightroom > are, you idiot? Come on, don't hold back. ;-) >>>PS is in danger of becomming what Windows has, a bloated cow complete >>>with features that take ages to use (owing to the number of steps) and [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Come on, don't hold back. ;-) Well, the guy is clearly trying to pick a fight, so I figure I might as well have some fun with him. ;) SignatureW . | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because \|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est ---^----^--------------------------------------------------------------- |
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