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Photo Forum / Digital Photography / DSLR Cameras / March 2005Best DSLR
Anyone have an opinion on what is the best DSLR (body only) for under $1000? Then, what would be the best, (cost considered) lens? tia > Anyone have an opinion on what is the best DSLR (body only) for under $1000? Almost certainly. :-) > Then, what would be the best, (cost considered) lens? The answer would differ depending on your needs. As for the body, if that were my budget, I'd take a good hard look at the Canon EOS-350D, speaking as someone who has no large investment in any existing system.  SignatureBen Rosengart (212) 741-4400 x215 Sometimes it only makes sense to focus our attention on those questions that are equal parts trivial and intriguing. --Josh Micah Marshall Canon 350D Canon 350D. Just saw your lens request. There are way too many lenses out there to pick a lens. It depends on what your usage will be. I have a Tamron 24-135 on my camera most of the time but I can't say that it is the best choice. It works for me. I also use a Canon 35 f/2 a lot. If you're worried about cost then use the 300D/20D/350D kit lens. I used it on my 300D for over a year. But regarding the camera, again, 350D unless someone else comes out with new sub-$1000 DSLRs soon. Greg >Canon 350D. Is it still all plastic? -Rich > >Canon 350D. > > Is it still all plastic? I don't know what you mean by "Is it still all plastic". The 300D had a metal skeleton with plastic skin as does the Nikon D70 and now the 350D. - Siddhartha > > >Canon 350D. > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > metal skeleton with plastic skin as does the Nikon D70 and now the > 350D. Are you certain about that? None of my POS materials claim that. The D100 was cast magnesium, as is the Canon 10D and 20D. Can you point me at proof of those claims? >> > >Canon 350D. >> > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >was cast magnesium, as is the Canon 10D and 20D. Can you point me at proof >of those claims? If you are referring to the D70 - from the dpreview review: "the D70 has a robust (polycarbonate) body" Signaturerbel > >> > >Canon 350D. > >> > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > If you are referring to the D70 - from the dpreview review: > "the D70 has a robust (polycarbonate) body" I know the Canon "D" cameras (10D, 20D, 1D) are magnesium. I have never heard Canon claim anything like that about the Rebel. D70 is Polycarbonate, D100 was magnesium, and both the Pentax *ist D and DS have a stainless steel chassis. > Are you certain about that? None of my POS materials claim that. The D100 > was cast magnesium, as is the Canon 10D and 20D. Can you point me at proof > of those claims? Honestly, even I didn't remember where I had read that until you challenged my assertion ;) Ok, here it is: http://ghonis2.ho8.com/rebelpeltier.html http://www.usefilm.com/photo_forum/15/4999/ Also, polycarbonate is a very tough material used for making automotive helmets too!! I am not sure how it compares to magnesium alloys but it sure looks tougher than lots of other metals. Just google a bit and read about polycarbonate types and properties. http://www.sdplastics.com/polycarb.html - Siddhartha This whole thing about plastic cameras is a bit of a farce really... When you climb aboard a modern jet airliner, you are getting into a machine that has large amounts of plastics used in various structural places... If you move into the military realm.. you get even more use... when you look at any high performance sport like Formula 1, yacht racing, kayaking... pretty much all of them... you are into heavy use of plastic... If you put your "all metal" camera into a waterproof case... that case it likely to be 99.9% plastic... It's got to be about how the camera "feels" to the user.. otherwise it's about someone trying to out market their camera over the competition's using a manipulative, meaningless metric. Al... >> Are you certain about that? None of my POS materials claim that. The > D100 [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > - Siddhartha > This whole thing about plastic cameras is a bit of a farce really... When > you climb aboard a modern jet airliner, you are getting into a machine that > has large amounts of plastics used in various structural places... If you > move into the military realm.. you get even more use... when you look at any > high performance sport like Formula 1, yacht racing, kayaking... pretty much > all of them... you are into heavy use of plastic... The non metal structural members of airliners and fighters are mainly carbon fibre composite mats, bonded together at high temperature and pressure. While having great mechanical properties, they are nowhere as stiff as poly-c. They must flex to some degree. Poly-c is an excellent material for cameras, and in some ways better than a principaly metal body. Such a metal body, on shock, transmits most of its energy to the delicate parts. In a poly-c body, some of the energy is absorbed in the poly-c itself, protecting the deicate parts. I have three bodies, an all-poly-c; an all-metal and now a 'mostly metal with poly-c'. They're all robust and while I don't abuse my equipment, I don't baby it either... these cameras take the abuse well. (Well the third on is only a day old, but...). Cheers, Alan Signature-- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: there's no such thing as a FreeLunch. > > Are you certain about that? None of my POS materials claim that. The > D100 [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > read about polycarbonate types and properties. > http://www.sdplastics.com/polycarb.html Hi Siddhartha The metal parts shown is not a chassis, but metal for RFI shielding. I am not against polycarbonate, in fact I understand why it's used. Overall the 300D and D70 both have the same amount of metal in them > > Are you certain about that? None of my POS materials claim that. The > D100 [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > challenged my assertion ;) Ok, here it is: > http://ghonis2.ho8.com/rebelpeltier.html BTW that's an interesting link, cheaper than a Canon 20Da > > > Are you certain about that? None of my POS materials claim that. The > > D100 [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > > BTW that's an interesting link, cheaper than a Canon 20Da Heh, want another interesting link? Want to turn your silver 300D black? Here is the answer: http://www.slrclub.com/bbs/view.php?id=canon_d30_forum&page=1&sn1=&sid1=&divpage =14&sn=off&sid=off&ss=on&sc=off&select_arrange=headnum&desc=asc&no=72342 Hope you can read Korean ;) - Siddhartha > >Canon 350D. > > Is it still all plastic? > -Rich The lensmount is steel, the camera with the most metal in that class is the Pentax *ist DS > Canon 350D I am surprised people are voting for a camera nobody has yet! THis is hype gone wild. I would wait until people actually use the camera before I would make a statement like that. All I know is the 350D is about the same size and weight as the Pentax *ist DS. I won't see on in the store for about 2 weeks. In September people felt the same way for the 20D. > I am surprised people are voting for a camera nobody has yet! THis is hype > gone wild. I would wait until people actually use the camera before I would > make a statement like that. All I know is the 350D is about the same size > and weight as the Pentax *ist DS. I won't see on in the store for about 2 > weeks. Choosing Canon DSLR's has not been a high risk venture for anyone. Signature-- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: there's no such thing as a FreeLunch. > Anyone have an opinion on what is the best DSLR (body only) for under > $1000? The Canon 350D or 300D depending on how much under $1000 you want to go. > Then, what would be the best, (cost considered) lens? That $1000 includes the kit zoom lens which, on a price/performance ratio, is quite good. > Anyone have an opinion on what is the best DSLR (body only) for under $1000? This is asked a lot. The answer is it depends. It's a personal choice as much as anything else. Your main choices are the Nikon D70, Canon 300D, and Canon 350D. The Canon 350D is an update on the 300D, but not a replacement. It's the lowest entry into a dSLR right now. The Canon 350D is new and will hit shelves later this month, so it is unproven and unknown. The 350D is 8 MP while the others are 6 MP; this shouldn't matter to most people (and the extra processing the 350D does to compensate makes me a little concerned about the "naturalness" of the images). The canon 300D is slow to boot and slow between shots. Read the reviews <http://dpreview.com>, take a look at some pictures by the cameras your interested in <http://www.pbase.com/cameras>, and then head over to your local camera shop to try them out and see how they fit your hand, how the controls feel, etc. Randy. > The Canon 350D is an update on the 300D, but not a replacement. It's the > lowest entry into a dSLR right now. The Canon 350D is new and will hit > shelves later this month, so it is unproven and unknown. The 350D is 8 > MP while the others are 6 MP; this shouldn't matter to most people Ignoring the increase from 6MP on the dRebel 300D to 8MP on the new 350D, the use of Canon's newest processor, Digic II, on the 350D would be the BEST reason to select that model. This same processor is used on the "new" 20D. It's fast and it's good - as one would expect from a "next generation" processor. > (and the extra processing the 350D does to compensate makes > me a little concerned about the "naturalness" of the images). Compensate for what? The added 2 megapixels? If yes, it's a non-issue considering the newer processor. :) JR > Ignoring the increase from 6MP on the dRebel 300D to 8MP on the new 350D, the > use of Canon's newest processor, Digic II, on the 350D would be the BEST > reason to select that model. Apart from shooting speed, does the Digic-II affect image quality if you shoot RAW? If not and you are fine with the slower 300D then the price difference could be invested in some good lens. What say? IMHO, its more important to have a really good lens to begin with than have faster electronics or 2MP more. Remember, bodies come and go but lenses stay. My advise for the OP is to first set aside the money for a fast walkaround lens because the you will outgrow any kit lens pretty soon. The Canon 300D/350D kit lens is good value for $100 but with limited capabilities so you'll be looking around soon enough for a replacement walkaround lens. - Siddhartha >Anyone have an opinion on what is the best DSLR (body only) for under $1000? There aren't that many candidates: Canon 350D/300D, Nikon D70, Pentax *ist-DS. Head down to your local camera shop, and try them. (A side-by-side comparison tells you quite a lot). If any one of them seems much better to you, buy it. Otherwise, if there's no obvious reason not to, buy the 350D once it hits the store shelves. >Then, what would be the best, (cost considered) lens? That's impossible to answer; it's far too broad a question. Consider the kit lens the manufacturer offers with the body; that's often a good general-purpose lens. >>Anyone have an opinion on what is the best DSLR (body only) for under >>$1000? [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Consider the kit lens the manufacturer offers with the body; > that's often a good general-purpose lens. Olympus E-300 >>>Anyone have an opinion on what is the best DSLR (body only) for under >>>$1000? >> >> There aren't that many candidates: Canon 350D/300D, Nikon D70, Pentax >> *ist-DS. > Olympus E-300 Hope you're wearing nomex.. ;-) SignatureStacey I don't know. It made me laugh. > Anyone have an opinion on what is the best DSLR (body only) for under > $1000? Do what I did, take a CF card down to a good camera store, take several different cameras outside one at a time and shoot. Then go home and make prints (or have them made in the size you normally do) and decide which looks best to your taste. Then consider what kind of shooting you do most and look at them from that point of view as far as what ISO needs you would have etc. I consider ergonomics and how the camera works/feels to my way of thinking is important and also if there are lenses that cover what I shoot, preferably as few as posible to cover this range, that I can afford that are also =high= quality. I could tell you what I chose to use but that wouldn't mean you would like it. Lots of people will tell you "buy this or that", only you can decide if what they consider as being the most important features fit your meeds like it does theirs. Also looking at 100% crops to decide "image quality" is silly IMHO, look at the final results you will be looking at in the size you'll normally be producing and judge from that. I'm sure I'll get flamed -again- for sugesting this instead of just posting "Buy a _____"? :-) SignatureStacey As nearly everyone else has stated, the short answer is that it's probably the EOS-350D digital Rebel, though I would wait a couple of months so you don't get the first production. Check out "http://digitalslrinfo.com" though there is no sorting by price. > As nearly everyone else has stated, the short answer is that it's > probably the EOS-350D digital Rebel, though I would wait a couple of > months so you don't get the first production. your kidding right ? > > As nearly everyone else has stated, the short answer is that it's > > probably the EOS-350D digital Rebel, though I would wait a couple of > > months so you don't get the first production. > > your kidding right ? I guess you mean "you're kidding" Sound advice, wait until you see what the bugs are. The 20D still has some bugs, like vertical bands in flash photos. >> > As nearly everyone else has stated, the short answer is that it's >> > probably the EOS-350D digital Rebel, though I would wait a couple of [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >I guess you mean "you're kidding" Sound advice, wait until you see what the >bugs are. The 20D still has some bugs, like vertical bands in flash photos. The only way to see vertical line artifacts in my 20D is to under-expose by 4 stops and push, flash or not. Most, if not all, of the issues that you are hearing about affect individual specimens. My 20D has not shown any banding at normal exposure (very faint, pushing 1600 to 25,800), has never locked up (after almost 6000 images), and flash-exposes exactly the way I would expect it to. I just set both ambient and flash compensation to zero, shot a white wall with the built-in flash, and the histogram was just a little right of center, the way it should be with a double-exposure. All of my peeves about the camera are about design decision, many of which are universal for the line, Canon, and even multiple manufacturers. Signature<>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>>< ><<> John P Sheehy <JPS@no.komm> ><<> <>>< <>>< ><<> <>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< > Scharf-DCA <scharf.steven@gmail.com> wrote: > ... probably the EOS-350D digital Rebel, though > I would wait a couple of months so you don't get > the first production. Or just wait for the EOS-400D Mk II :-) It generally suffices to wait for a critical mass of early [retail] end user reports, and/or wait for the first promotion or price drop. If Nikon can field a competitor, expect Canon price action. I wouldn't be surprised if Canon offers another kit configuration this year as well. Given the target consumer, a zoom with a wider range might have some appeal. SignatureRegards, Bob Niland mailto:name@ispname.tld http://www.access-one.com/rjn email4rjn AT yahoo DOT com NOT speaking for any employer, client or Internet Service Provider. > As nearly everyone else has stated, the short answer is that it's > probably the EOS-350D digital Rebel, though I would wait a couple of > months so you don't get the first production. Then you should wait a few more months till the EOS-400D is out. :-) SignatureStacey >>As nearly everyone else has stated, the short answer is that it's >>probably the EOS-350D digital Rebel, though I would wait a couple of >>months so you don't get the first production. > > Then you should wait a few more months till the EOS-400D is out. :-) Hi, Then wait for few more month for EOS-450D, LOL. He who waits never get anything. Tony >> Then you should wait a few more months till the EOS-400D is out. :-) > Hi, > Then wait for few more month for EOS-450D, LOL. He who waits never get > anything. And he who cries because what they just bought last month is now being sold cheaper or that something better has come out is going to be crying a lot! Getting into the "upgrade" mindset is what they hope for. SignatureStacey Cody, Canon 350D - no doubt about it (I'm a 20D user and have just been advising my brother whose wanting to go digital to get the 350 - bank per buck - unbeatable). As for the lens... how much is your budget? There are some users that will spend $1000 on a body and then want to couple it with a $100-200 zoom. Then again there are some of us that realise how important the glass is & would place the balance much nearer 50:50 (or even greater!) Regards DM > Anyone have an opinion on what is the best DSLR (body only) for under > $1000? > > Then, what would be the best, (cost considered) lens? > > tia > Anyone have an opinion on what is the best DSLR (body only) for under $1000? > > Then, what would be the best, (cost considered) lens? > > tia Nooooooooo!!! The last six flame wars started by somebody asking this question have not died down yet! |
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