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Hesitation in going to dSLR
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hin_man@yahoo.com - 16 Oct 2006 23:46 GMT I am an amateur in digital photography. I am currently comparing Pentax K100D with the dSLR like in Fuji s6500/60000. I know that Pentax will be my ultimate choice but I have hesitation with the deep learning curve in the beginning and the bag of lens in street photography. Any insights are appreciated especially from those who look back into their paths from p&s to Pentax dSLR or the like as in Fuji s6500/s6000. Some of my blog post can be seen in
http://techtheman.blogspot.com/2006/09/my-next-camera.html
http://techtheman.blogspot.com/2006/10/face-detection-in-fuji-s6500s6000.html
http://techtheman.blogspot.com/2006/10/picasa-focal-bw.html
http://hintheman.blogspot.com/2006/10/photography-passion.html
Comments and sharing of experience in moving from p&s to dSLR or the like are very welcome.
Thanks, Hin
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Not Disclosed - 17 Oct 2006 00:43 GMT > I am an amateur in digital photography. I am currently comparing > Pentax K100D with the dSLR like in Fuji s6500/60000. I know that [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > look back into their paths from p&s to Pentax dSLR or the like as in > Fuji s6500/s6000. Some of my blog post can be seen in The Pentax K100D is a dSLR, the Fuji S6500/S6000 are not dSLR cameras.
G.T. - 17 Oct 2006 01:45 GMT > > I am an amateur in digital photography. I am currently comparing > > Pentax K100D with the dSLR like in Fuji s6500/60000. I know that [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > > The Pentax K100D is a dSLR, the Fuji S6500/S6000 are not dSLR cameras. That's probably why he said "dSLR like". If I was starting fresh with a dSLR I'd be waiting for and looking at the K10D.
Greg
Pete D - 17 Oct 2006 07:19 GMT >> > I am an amateur in digital photography. I am currently comparing >> > Pentax K100D with the dSLR like in Fuji s6500/60000. I know that [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Greg Second that, I have mine on order, only a couple of weeks to wait now.
bmoag - 17 Oct 2006 01:38 GMT How much do you know or want to know about photography? Digital image processing? Willing to learn and experiment? You do not need a dSLR to be a serious photographer and create hi quality images and there are real drawbacks because of the size and weight of the gear involved. The dSLR can pay off in speed of use and versatility if you understand how to use it and are willing to lug the darn thing around. Hi quality EVF cameras are more than good enough in the right hands. Contrarily the best gear in the wrong hands, which I suspect is a major issue with this newsgroup, is less than worthless.
irwell - 17 Oct 2006 02:36 GMT >Contrarily the best gear in the wrong hands, which I suspect is a major >issue with this newsgroup, is less than worthless. Hey! I resemble that remark!!
veritas - 17 Oct 2006 15:44 GMT > How much do you know or want to know about photography? Digital image > processing? Willing to learn and experiment? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Contrarily the best gear in the wrong hands, which I suspect is a major > issue with this newsgroup, is less than worthless. Here is a site that agrees with what you write about EVF's :
http://www.adorama.com/catalog.tpl?op=academy&article=052506
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Hin - 17 Oct 2006 18:10 GMT > > How much do you know or want to know about photography? Digital image > > processing? Willing to learn and experiment? [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > -- > Peter Peter,
Thanks for the valuable link about bridge camera with EVF.
Hin -- http://hintheman.blogspot.com/ http://techtheman.blogspot.com/
veritas - 18 Oct 2006 05:06 GMT >> > How much do you know or want to know about photography? Digital image >> > processing? Willing to learn and experiment? [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Hin No Problem Hin ! Happy to be of help :)
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Hin - 18 Oct 2006 05:53 GMT > >> > How much do you know or want to know about photography? Digital image > >> > processing? Willing to learn and experiment? [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Los Angeles , CA & Sydney , Australia And thanks to all for the valuable replies. I learn from your points of views and I appreciate your input and pointers. I am a newbie up a notch! Thanks.
Best regards, Hin --- http://hintheman.blogspot.com/ http://techtheman.blogspot.com/
masonresnick@gmail.com - 24 Oct 2006 21:01 GMT > Here is a site that agrees with what you write about EVF's : > > http://www.adorama.com/catalog.tpl?op=academy&article=052506 > > -- > Peter Thanks for linking to my article about EVFs!
Mason Resnick Editor Adorama Academy www.adorama.com
veritas - 25 Oct 2006 04:20 GMT LOL ! Happy to oblige :))
Didn't know it was you :)
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>> Here is a site that agrees with what you write about EVF's : >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Adorama Academy > www.adorama.com DoN. Nichols - 17 Oct 2006 06:17 GMT According to <hin_man@yahoo.com>:
> Comments and sharing of experience in moving from p&s to dSLR or the > like are very welcome. Well ... my move from P&S (Kodak Brownie Hawkeye) was so long ago that I doubt that my experience would be much help. The first camera to follow that was a folding Zeiss "Ikonta 520" (620 or 120 roll film, 16 2-1/4x1-7/8 exposures per roll).
Then was a Zeiss "Contaflex Super". Sort of a SLR, however without truly interchangeable lenses.
The a Miranda F -- the first fully interchangeable lense camera which I owned.
Then a lot of Nikon F bodies and lenses -- all used.
Digital SLRs started with a Kodak/Nikon hybrid -- a Nikon N90s converted to digital by Kodak.
Then the Nikon D70.
Someday -- a Nikon D200.
But you can see that the move from the P&S to the DSLR was through so many different stages that it would be difficult to match it to your more direct move.
Good Luck, DoN.
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tomm42 - 17 Oct 2006 15:01 GMT On Oct 16, 6:46 pm, hin_...@yahoo.com wrote:
> I am an amateur in digital photography. I am currently comparing > Pentax K100D with the dSLR like in Fuji s6500/60000. I know that [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > --http://hintheman.blogspot.com/http://techtheman.blogspot.com/ Your choice, the fuji is a EVF camera with a small sensor and an average lens for those cameras. If you want to just take snap shots with a wide range lens this is probably a good choice. As with most small sensor cameras you will be limited to the lower ISO levels, unless this camera has one of the improved Fuji sensors. The Pentax is a low end DSLR 6mp sensor, anti dust and incamera anti shake. This camera has had good reviews the 6mp Sony sensor while there are newer higher mp sensors out there it is a proven design and is capable of excellent results. Remember the photographer makes the picture not the camera. The camera is one of the smaller and light weight DSLRs, again a middling kit lens. What really makes Pentax interesting is they have several very compact prime lenses (zooms ?) that would make this camera smaller than some EVF cameras. But the choise is up to you, look at the cameras, preferably at a place you can test them, camera store as oppesed to best buy. Then try to buy from the camera store too. We lost the only good camera store in our area, the owner said that people were testing the cameras at his store and buying them at Best Buy, even though he would match the Best Buy price.
Tom
Alan Browne - 17 Oct 2006 15:56 GMT > I am an amateur in digital photography. I am currently comparing > Pentax K100D with the dSLR like in Fuji s6500/60000. I know that > Pentax will be my ultimate choice but I have hesitation with the deep > learning curve in the beginning and the bag of lens in street Don't hesitate. The learning curve is neither steep nor high, and to boot you get near instant feedback via the on camera monitor. Your shooting skills, in particular composition, will improve very rapidly.
And that is far more important that the mere specs of the cameras. You might consider jumping over the K100D to the K10D and be set up for the next 3 - 5 years.
Cheers, Alan
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madhobbit.geo@yahoo.com - 18 Oct 2006 15:19 GMT > I am an amateur in digital photography. I am currently comparing > Pentax K100D with the dSLR like in Fuji s6500/60000. I know that [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > look back into their paths from p&s to Pentax dSLR or the like as in > Fuji s6500/s6000. I shot with a point-and-shoot (the 2MP Fujifilm Finepix 2650) for a year or so before I decided I wanted a better camera. I didn't reach that decision until I started running into situations in which my camera prevented me from getting the pictures I wanted. For instance, the shutter lag made it very difficult to capture an image at exactly the right time (such as someone blowing out candles on a cake). Another example: the camera only operated at ISO 100, so around dusk the shutter speeds became unusably slow. There were other issues as well, but I was not going to replace my camera to fix its shortcomings until I knew that those shortcomings were actually impacting my photography.
When, eventually, I decided that I had reached that point, I began looking at my options. I ended up considering the Canon 300D (my other options were the Nikon D70 and Canon 10D, but they were more money, and I didn't feel they were worth the additional expense). Because the 300D was still more money than I wanted to spend, I looked at some high-end non-DSLRs. However, the ones that seemed worth getting (e.g. the Sony DSC-F727) weren't much cheaper than the 300D, and I felt that for the $100 savings or whatever it was, I would be giving up a lot of functionality.
This whole process took months. It ended when the 20D was released, and a guy I know decided to upgrade his 300D. I found out he was selling his 300D, looked at the price, and decided it was too good a deal to pass up. I got the 300D, battery grip, 18-55 kit lens, 80-200 lens, infrared remote, and a 512 MB card for roughly the price that the 300D+kit lens sold for new.
I found that learning the basics of the camera was quite easy, and was taking pictures the same day I picked up the camera. I had never touched an SLR before, but I knew roughly what I was getting into because I had done a lot of reading beforehand. The biggest adjustment was getting used to using the viewfinder instead of the LCD. With the camera in full auto mode, I found it was actually easier to use than my P&S, which meant that I could learn the advanced features at my own pace.
It's important to understand that I'm a technology geek. The 20+ buttons, dials, and other controls on the camera didn't intimidate me; rather, I was looking forward to figuring them all out. And, figure them out I did, and now I can tell you exactly what they all do, and how and when to use them. But I didn't need to - I was taking pictures before I understood the camera, and they were still turning out pretty good.
I started out with two cheap lenses: the 18-55 kit lens, and Canon's cheap 80-200 zoom. These were excellent lenses to start with, because they cover a nice range of focal lengths, and are cheap. Neither of them are particularly good, but the pictures I got from them were better than the pictures I got from my point-and-shoot, so I was happy.
Since then, I've continued my philosophy of only buying camera gear when my existing equipment is preventing me from getting the pictures I want. I've replaced the 80-200 with the 75-300 IS (because even my inexperienced eye was unhappy with the quality of the 80-200, and I wanted IS on my long lens because I tend to have shaky hands). I've purchased the 50mm f/1.8 (cheap, high-quality, and it works well for low light). I'm still using the 18-55, because it's still suiting my needs (yeah, I've looked at replacements, but haven't found them compelling). I also got an external flash to improve my photos in dim light. I originally bought a cheap $30 tripod; just last week I replaced it with a nicer $200 model (again: the cheap tripod was holding me back. It didn't work well with the 75-300mm lens, and it didn't work in a vertical position. I lost several shots because of these problems.). I've installed the hacked firmware, which is free, and even -that- I didn't do until I found a good reason for it (doing some close-up photography, I decided I really wanted mirror lock-up).
So, to address your concerns:
You don't need a "bag of lenses"; one or two zooms will do nicely. The learning curve isn't steep at all, because if you put your DSLR into automatic mode it'll do all the work for you, and you can learn its features at whatever rate you find comfortable.
I have no regrets about going the DSLR route instead of the advanced non-DSLR route. It's allowed me to upgrade the parts of the camera system that were limiting me, and leave the rest alone. Adding a f/1.8 lens to the system cost me $100; with a P&S, I'd have to replace the entire camera to add a feature like that.
My ultimate advice: Make sure that you only buy equipment that fixes problems you're actually having. Don't spend more money on "better" gear until you know that the lesser gear is limiting you in whatever type of photography you do.
- Darryl
DHB - 18 Oct 2006 18:07 GMT >> I am an amateur in digital photography. I am currently comparing >> Pentax K100D with the dSLR like in Fuji s6500/60000. I know that [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> look back into their paths from p&s to Pentax dSLR or the like as in >> Fuji s6500/s6000. <CUT>
>So, to address your concerns: > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >- Darryl Darryl, very good advise, some of which I had to learn the hard way by spending $$$. I've been into SLR photography for about 40 years & was bitten by the digital photography bug over 6 years ago.
With SLR photography I pretty much purchased only what I needed & when I needed it. But the digital bug changed things because it allowed me to experiment & get instant feedback while I was still there to adjust as needed & take another shot or 2, 3, etc.......
Also beginning with a humble Kodak DC215 (1MP) P&S, it only took me a shot while to learn everything I could about it & outgrow it. I even learned how to cover it's external light sensor to force it to take 1/2 second long pictures (on Sunny Days) with a HOYA R72 Near IR filter.
Long story short: I purchased several P&S digital cameras as better featured models became available. Also gave new & some of my used P&S cameras to family & friends to get them started in digital photography, (Who wants to be alone?).
Now I have basically reverted back to getting only what I *actually have need of* rather than merely what I *want*.
The digital cameras I use most often now fall into 2 categories, P&S & DSLR:
P&S: Canon A95 & FUJI F11. Mainly for the easy to use manual controls & good low light sensitivity, respectively. (5MP & 6.3MP) respectfully are more than enough resolution for P&S cameras.
DSLR: Canon 300D & I upgraded to the 30D as soon as it became available because for *certain* things the (firmware) limitations of the 300D became very annoying & limiting. I still have & use both DSLR cameras but for different applications now.
Over this winter I hope to use my 30D extensively so that I can learn all of it's controls & features, hopefully most by touch so that I can control it in very poorly lit places as it will be getting a lot of use for low light photography (without flash).
For me the most often used DSLR lenses are:
<1> EF-S 17-85MM f/4-5.6 IS USM (Good walk about lens) <2> EF 70-300mm f/4-5.6 IS USM (Good walk about lens with more reach) <3> EF 50mm f/1.8 II (Great low light, low cost lens)
These are not "L" glass but each meets "my" needs well for the type of pictures I take with them. No Lens is perfect & certainly many lenses are beyond "my" ability to get the most out of them. Not having very deep pockets also limits what lenses I can save for & justify.
Yes I am considering my 1st "L" glass lens purchase this spring & it's likely to be the Canon EF 70-200mm f/4L IS USM because of it's fixed constant f4 & non-extending/rotating from element would make C-PL & Graduated ND filter use much easier.
Bottom line to the original poster: Get a good DSLR & 2 or 3 good quality lenses that meet "your" needs & budget. The EF 50mm f/1.8 II is a great inexpensive low light lens & it's always in my camera bag no mater what other lenses I take with me. It's sells for about $80 USD. Some photography teachers force their students to use a standard 50mm lens for almost everything before they will let them use a zoom. This seams like a handicap but it's really a great way to challenge & build your abilities with a fixed focal length lens.
Enjoy your new DSLR but be warned that it's very easy to spend far more on the lens or lenses than you did on the body. So buying only what you need & when you need it is good advice with the possible exception of memory cards size. There going a bit larger than you think you will need it often better in the long run, just like hard drives, buy the largest, most cost effective size available from a major manufacturer, (most memory for the $$$).
Respectfully, DHB
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