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Photo Forum / Digital Photography / DSLR Cameras / October 2006RichA could be hurting innocent people
From: "RichA" <rander3127@gmail.com> Subject: Kodak screws Olympus! Oh my God! Date: Saturday, October 14, 2006 8:57 PM At least that's the rumour. The brand new Olympus E-400 is no more. They made 2000 of them, Kodak, the CCD supplier F------ up somehow and the E-400 got the shaft. Back to the drawing board for Olympus. Supposedly, 3 new DSLRs and the E-3 are on the way. Check his subject: Kodak screws Olympus! Oh my God! Kodak has employees, retirees, stock holders. Why should decent folks suffer because of RichA's manic posts. Freedom of speech ends at some point. This twit is screwing with good folks who have worked hard and long and contributed. RichA contributes what? > From: "RichA" <rander3127@gmail.com> > Subject: Kodak screws Olympus! Oh my God! [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Freedom of speech ends at some point. This twit is screwing with good folks > who have worked hard and long and contributed. RichA contributes what? Senile old goofball. > Senile old goofball. Shame on you. You use this forum because you have no other life. And then revert to silly insults. You are one sad son of a B. >> Senile old goofball. > >Shame on you. You use this forum because you have no other life. And then >revert to silly insults. You are one sad son of a B. The high and mighty rev. Shuler thus spake; Pot, Kettle, senile. > What I stated came directly from Olympus you old blowhard. Hey, blow as you like ... post a reference ... a'hole. > Kodak has employees, retirees, stock holders. Why should decent folks > suffer because of RichA's manic posts. I don't think Rich is going to affect the stock value, Kodak seems to have that taken care of by themselves. Scott Hey Scott, Are you OK after the earthquake? Roger > Hey Scott, > Are you OK after the earthquake? > > Roger I just got down from roof fixing a broken tile. We seem to not have too much damge, a lot of cracks in the walls and crack tiles. The good news is we have a lot of cold beer on hand and power to keep it cold. Scott >>Hey Scott, >>Are you OK after the earthquake? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > The good news is we have a lot of cold beer on hand and power to keep > it cold. Scott, That's good to hear! Roger > The good news is we have a lot of cold beer on hand and power to keep > it cold. I like that: focus on the important stuff. Cheers, Alan  Signature-- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. > > The good news is we have a lot of cold beer on hand and power to keep > > it cold. > > I like that: focus on the important stuff. A lot of people are unprepared when disaster hits and run out of beer with in a day or two. Ice is the biggest problem, whereas it is easy to store enough beer to last a week keeping a week's worth of ice on hand is much harder. I am thinking about getting a few CO2 fire extinguishers, these can be use to cool down beer nicely. People should really ask themselves "if disaster hit today would I really have enough beer on hand?" Scott > > > The good news is we have a lot of cold beer on hand and power to keep > > > it cold. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > hand is much harder. I am thinking about getting a few CO2 fire > extinguishers, these can be use to cool down beer nicely. I have a week's emergency supplies of Guiness. No refrigeraration necessary (although it does improve the taste, mostly by decreasing the tastebud's sensitivity to it). Normally, of course, I never touch the stuff: Belgian beer is the way to go. > I have a week's emergency supplies of Guiness. No refrigeraration > necessary (although it does improve the taste, mostly by decreasing > the tastebud's sensitivity to it). Normally, of course, I never touch > the stuff: Belgian beer is the way to go. Do people really drink Guinness? That stuff is downright nasty! If you want real beer you need to try a pint or two of Resurrection made by Brewer's Art. http://www.belgianbeer.com/housebeer.html If you were serious about keeping beer cold you would already have UPS and generator backup. Rita > > I have a week's emergency supplies of Guiness. No refrigeraration > > necessary (although it does improve the taste, mostly by decreasing [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > If you were serious about keeping beer cold you would already have UPS and > generator backup. A UPS I got but no generator and the UPS would not keep anything cold for very long. And the best beers in the world can be found here http://www.konabrewingco.com Scott > And the best beers in the world can be found here > http://www.konabrewingco.com You really ought to come to Belgium when you get the chance... >> If you were serious about keeping beer cold you would already have >> UPS and generator backup. > > A UPS I got but no generator and the UPS would not keep anything cold > for very long. You just need the right UPS for the job. Rita > >> If you were serious about keeping beer cold you would already have > >> UPS and generator backup. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > You just need the right UPS for the job. Yep, our UPS will keep our 150 newsroom computers and on-air devices running for hours because that's how long it usually takes operations to get the generators going. I'm sure it would power a refrigerator for quite some time, you may need to dedicate a whole room of your house for it. Greg Rita Ä Berkowitz wrote: > achilleaslazarides@yahoo.co.uk wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > And the best beers in the world can be found here > http://www.konabrewingco.com I sure would like to try their barley wine. Greg >>>The good news is we have a lot of cold beer on hand and power to keep >>>it cold. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > hand is much harder. I am thinking about getting a few CO2 fire > extinguishers, these can be use to cool down beer nicely. You can't use those indoors to cool your beer. When I was in the Navy, they were always telling us about guys who killed themselves trying to cool their beer. > You can't use those indoors to cool your beer. When I was in the Navy, > they were always telling us about guys who killed themselves trying to > cool their beer. In Hawaii we leave the windows and sliding doors wide open so this would not be much of a problem. A guy has to be willing to take some risks for his beer. Scott > From: "RichA" <rander3127@gmail.com> > Subject: Kodak screws Olympus! Oh my God! [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Freedom of speech ends at some point. This twit is screwing with good folks > who have worked hard and long and contributed. RichA contributes what? RichA hurts these people about as much as a flyspeck on a carabao. > From: "RichA" <rander3127@gmail.com> > Subject: Kodak screws Olympus! Oh my God! [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > the E-400 got the shaft. Back to the drawing board for Olympus. > Supposedly, 3 new DSLRs and the E-3 are on the way. RichA is just a rumour monger, he has no proof whats so ever. He has started this same rumour on dpreview, again with zero facts to back his claims. > > From: "RichA" <rander3127@gmail.com> > > Subject: Kodak screws Olympus! Oh my God! [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > started this same rumour on dpreview, again with zero facts to back his > claims. And what have you people got up to this point? RUMOURS from "websites." Which do you think is LIKELY to be more accurate, websites or Olympus themselves? If you actually think I made this up, then that is your prerogative to believe, but it isn't true. I specifically asked Olympus at the show about the E-400 because I wanted one as a second body for my E-1. My only alternative is to jump brands. >> > From: "RichA" <rander3127@gmail.com> >> > Subject: Kodak screws Olympus! Oh my God! [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >second body for my E-1. >My only alternative is to jump brands. For someone who spends a lot of time researching the strengths and weaknesses of cameras he will never own, you really did a poor job of researching one you want to buy. According to www.olympus.co.uk/consumer/dslr_E-400.htm, "The E-400 is available in Europe only." You're in Canada, right? (And I thought Merkins were bad at geography.) TR > >> > From: "RichA" <rander3127@gmail.com> > >> > Subject: Kodak screws Olympus! Oh my God! [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > TR I know that. The first rumour (from someone on a "website" NOT Olympus) I heard was that they could only produce a thousand bodies and that was why it was only being marketed in Europe. According to Olympus, it was never to have been brought to North America, the E-500 is considered their mainstay there. P.S. NO one is as stupid when it comes to geography as Americans are. >> >> > From: "RichA" <rander3127@gmail.com> >> >> > Subject: Kodak screws Olympus! Oh my God! [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > is considered their mainstay there. > P.S. NO one is as stupid when it comes to geography as Americans are. You said it, 'rumour'. If you can produce the website URL, it might improve the credibility factor here. >>> >> > From: "RichA" <rander3127@gmail.com> >>> >> > Subject: Kodak screws Olympus! Oh my God! [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] >You said it, 'rumour'. If you can produce the website URL, it might improve >the credibility factor here. If you read the threads in dpreview's Olympus DSLR group, you should run across it. They weren't the only ones to speculate that the lack of initial North American distribution related to supply and that full world-wide distribution would happen once that problem was rectified. > P.S. NO one is as stupid when it comes to geography as Americans are. There you go, once again, asking that sh.t be shoveled onto your head. >> P.S. NO one is as stupid when it comes to geography as Americans are. > >There you go, once again, asking that sh.t be shoveled onto your head. Ah, but YOU don't engage in that, do you hypocrit? >>> P.S. NO one is as stupid when it comes to geography as Americans are. >> >>There you go, once again, asking that sh.t be shoveled onto your head. > > Ah, but YOU don't engage in that, do you hypocrit? Oh my, you are very rapidly running out of purchase are you not? >>>> P.S. NO one is as stupid when it comes to geography as Americans are. >>> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Oh my, you are very rapidly running out of purchase are you not? Pot, kettle..... >> >> > From: "RichA" <rander3127@gmail.com> >> >> > Subject: Kodak screws Olympus! Oh my God! [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] >is considered their mainstay there. >P.S. NO one is as stupid when it comes to geography as Americans are. Waitaminute. Didn't you say the source for your rumor was Olympus? And didn't you just accuse someone of using 'RUMOURS from "websites."' instead of accepting the Truth According to Rich ... which came from Olympus? Talk about stoopid.... TR > >> >> > From: "RichA" <rander3127@gmail.com> > >> >> > Subject: Kodak screws Olympus! Oh my God! [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > TR Can't you morons read? I didn't attribute the above to Olympus. As soon as it was known that the E-400 would not be coming to North America, the theories and rumours started. But that PRECEDED the show I went to where I spoke with the Olympus people. The thousand body only for Europe rumour I STATE above was not from Olympus. If you CAN'T be bothered to READ the WHOLE thread, what is the POINT of commenting? >> >> >> > From: "RichA" <rander3127@gmail.com> >> >> >> > Subject: Kodak screws Olympus! Oh my God! [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] >CAN'T be bothered to READ the WHOLE thread, what is the POINT of >commenting? Rich, when you were first challenged to provide proof for your silly assertion in your "Kodak screws Olympus! Oh my God!" thread, you said, and I quote, "If you actually think I made this up, then that is your prerogative to believe, but it isn't true. I specifically asked Olympus at the show about the E-400 because I wanted one as a second body for my E-1. My only alternative is to jump brands." If I'm reading the source correctly, the information on the website I provided, www.olympus.co.uk/consumer/dslr_E-400.htm, was created on 10/12/2006. Prior to that, there was an update to the original review posted to dpreview that states the reasons why the E-400 will be available in select areas. The update is from 09/15/2006, and it is attributed to Olympus USA. (The original article stated the camera will not be available in North America.) www.dpreview.com/news/0609/06091401olympuse400.asp#press YOUR "Kodak screws Olympus! Oh my God!" thread started on 10/14/2006, two days after the information posted to the Olympus UK website and a full MONTH after the update on dpreview. So, where was this "show" and when did you attend? (The E-400 was announced prior to Photokina 2006, which was held the last week in September. A proper time line will help me to figure out where my reading comprehension is lacking. > what is the POINT of commenting? I consider it to be community service - if I keep you busy twisting around on an old thread you won't have enough time to thole another one. TR > >> >> >> > From: "RichA" <rander3127@gmail.com> > >> >> >> > Subject: Kodak screws Olympus! Oh my God! [quoted text clipped - 81 lines] > announced prior to Photokina 2006, which was held the last week in > September. The show was in Toronto, last weekend at a place called the International Centre. It was hosted by Henry's, the largest camera store in Toronto. All of the major mfgs were there, and most of the secondaries. I saw Pentax's new camera (well, a pre-production one), etc. But go ahead, tell me that is suspicious too. Do a forensic test to determine if the show actually happened where and when I said. Better yet.... http://www.henrys.com/webapp/wcs/stores/henrys/show/toronto.jsp?page=toronto/sch edules.html > A proper time line will help me to figure out where my reading > comprehension is lacking. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > TR You are just tooo altruistic when it comes to representing everyone on this forum. Congratulations. > But go ahead, tell me that is suspicious too. Do a forensic test to > determine if the show actually happened where and when I said. Better > yet.... > > http://www.henrys.com/webapp/wcs/stores/henrys/show/toronto.jsp?page=toronto/sch edules.html And that proves what (forensics, indeed! --- you twit)? Your Kodak post was slander and rumor has it that you will be sued beyond your eyeballs! You do love rumors, do you not! > > But go ahead, tell me that is suspicious too. Do a forensic test to > > determine if the show actually happened where and when I said. Better [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > And that proves what (forensics, indeed! --- you twit)? It proves some of you are paranoid nutcases. >> > But go ahead, tell me that is suspicious too. Do a forensic test to >> > determine if the show actually happened where and when I said. Better [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >It proves some of you are paranoid nutcases. What it demonstrates, Rich, is that you are a wannabe troll and a borderline kook. You go to a show in Toronto looking for a camera that the manufacturer announced will be available only in Europe. An announcement that was posted to dpreview a full month before the Henry's show. And somehow you bounce off into some insane conspiracy theory about Kodak screwing Olympus. TR > >> > But go ahead, tell me that is suspicious too. Do a forensic test to > >> > determine if the show actually happened where and when I said. Better [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > TR Only repeating what I was told. The tone of the post is a exactly how it was stated to me. But, If you don't like it, why talk about it or speculate about the statement? Besides, the other poster implied there had been no show, thereby calling my recollection of the Olympus employee's info into doubt. There is undoubtedly more going on with Olympus, Kodak and Panasonic. Obviously, Kodak's large CCD business is lucrative on a chip by chip basis (those 39 meg medium format CCDs a are pricey), but I'm sure they are in there bidding when Olympus or other companies go looking for a CCD for mass production. >Only repeating what I was told. I get told all sorts of things every day but if they're contentious I don't publish them in a public place unless I have first-hand proof that they're true, I think you'll find that "only repeating what I was told" isn't a good defence in a libel action. I doubt it will go that far in this case... but stranger things have happened and it will certainly be entertaining if it does. SignatureJohn Bean > >Only repeating what I was told. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > -- > John Bean I never said it would be. How you people extrapolate the things you do is beyond me. If the Olympus guy was wrong, or lying (for whatever reason), even if he wasn't, he'd never admit to it if asked anyway. He's got a job with one of the companies mentioned. As for Kodak, well, the Open Forum on dpreview and the Kodak DSLR forum has had plenty of wild speculation as to that company's disposition. All we know is: -They continue to lose lots of money. -They've given up all camera production to the Far East. -They still do design work. -They do make high-end CCDs and are venturing into CMOS. -I think they still make film. By posting things on groups, there is a slim chance that hidden in the theorizing and responses is some real information. That's what you look for. The forums may be all that is left since companies are cracking down on employee blogs. >> >> > But go ahead, tell me that is suspicious too. Do a forensic test to >> >> > determine if the show actually happened where and when I said. Better [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >Only repeating what I was told. What you should have been told is the E-400 will not be available in North America. The slightest amount of research on your part and you would have known this in advance. This simple fact fails to imbed itself inside your brain. I must say I was impressed and amused with this novel approach to not buying a camera. Instead of tholing about plastic and kit lenses and and non-FF sensors and dust and high ISO noise and any of the other excuses you use to not buy a camera ... you set your heart on a camera that you can't buy. >The tone of the post is a exactly how it was stated to me. By whom? An Olympus rep at the Henry's show? Or was it something you gleaned from "some website." I'm having a really hard to keep your sources straight. >Besides, the other poster implied there >had been no show, thereby calling my recollection of the Olympus >employee's info into doubt. And how do you know the Olympus rep you talked to was a reliable source. While it is possible that Olympus America sent its best people to this show, it is also possible it sent local/regional sales reps. It is even possible the booth was manned by rent-a-reps. Was the rep trying to provide you with inside information that was insightful, accurate and informative? Or were you being fed a line of hooey with the hope that it would make you go away? >There is undoubtedly more going on with >Olympus, Kodak and Panasonic. Indeed. Why don't you look into this and report back to the froup. TR RichA is hurting nobody but himslef, and he certainly is not innocent. As the saying has it, "Wherever you go, there you are." Toby |
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