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Photo Forum / Digital Photography / DSLR Cameras / October 2006CF Reader does not show as drive
My Dazzle compact flash reader no longer shows up as a drive letter. When I plug it into the USB port it is recognized by the beep tone. I've been into device mgr. and uninstalled the USB device and rebooted but that does not deem to help. Anybody got any ideas how to fix this issue.?  SignatureMy Photo Galleries http://www.pbase.com/logear/galleries > My Dazzle compact flash reader no longer shows up as a drive letter. When > I plug it into the USB port it is recognized by the beep tone. I've been > into device mgr. and uninstalled the USB device and rebooted but that does > not deem to help. > Anybody got any ideas how to fix this issue.? Hey Jim, we need more information. What operating system is your computer using? Are you plugging the reader in with or without the card? If it's with, have you tried it with another card? And sometimes a reader will just go bad... Holley I'm using XP Pro, I plug it in without the card and I have tried a brand new one, all with the same effect. >> My Dazzle compact flash reader no longer shows up as a drive letter. >> When I plug it into the USB port it is recognized by the beep tone. I've [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > bad... > Holley > I'm using XP Pro, I plug it in without the card and I have tried a brand > new one, all with the same effect. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> bad... >> Holley Jim, the only thing I can suggest is unplug the device, uninstall it, and power down reboot the computer at least two times before plugging it back in. This sounds strange, but I fixed a USB hard disk drive problem using this process. Something about the find new hardware routine goes sideways sometimes... Holley >> I'm using XP Pro, I plug it in without the card and I have tried a brand >> new one, all with the same effect. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > this process. Something about the find new hardware routine goes sideways > sometimes... On the powerdowns, make sure to (a) make it a complete powerdown with the cord unplugged, and (b) for at least a full minute by the clock. Both provisions are necessary to make sure the previous state is completely cleared. With the cord plugged in there's still power on some components, and it takes about thirty seconds for the charge to bleed off everthing on the motherboard. Also, try plugging the reader into different USB ports, and disconnect any other USB devices except the mouse and keyboard--sometimes USB devices will conflict. Not supposed to I know but the drivers aren't always bug free. > My Dazzle compact flash reader no longer shows up as a drive letter. > When I plug it into the USB port it is recognized by the beep tone. I've > been into device mgr. and uninstalled the USB device and > rebooted but that does not deem to help. > Anybody got any ideas how to fix this issue.? I have sometimes seen this: - if you used "remove hardware" rather than "eject", the system may need a reboot or a re-detection of the port. - sometimes the drive letter will conflict with a network drive, and using the Computer Management, Disk Management option will allow you to see the drive letters and re-assign that for the reader if required. Of course, it may be something else..... David >> My Dazzle compact flash reader no longer shows up as a drive letter. >> When I plug it into the USB port it is recognized by the beep tone. > - sometimes the drive letter will conflict with a network drive, and > using the Computer Management, Disk Management option will allow you > to see the drive letters and re-assign that for the reader if > required. I too have seen this in XP if the next drive letter in sequence is already in use. I remapped the network drive to free up the next letter up from the low sequence and magiacally the USB letter appeared. This is why drive mapping tends to default to Z: downwards. HTH, Mike. SignatureIf reply address = connectfee, add an r because it is free not fee. > My Dazzle compact flash reader no longer shows up as a drive letter. When I > plug it into the USB port it is recognized by the beep tone. I've been into > device mgr. and uninstalled the USB device and rebooted but that does not > deem to help. > Anybody got any ideas how to fix this issue.? This is a photographic equipment NG. My CF reader is part of my photographic equipment. If you think otherwise, that is just your opinion. Have a nice day. >> My Dazzle compact flash reader no longer shows up as a drive letter. >> When I plug it into the USB port it is recognized by the beep tone. I've [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > This is a photographic equipment NG. > My CF reader is part of my photographic equipment. > If you think otherwise, that is just your opinion. Were your question about photo formats and issues with card readers I would not have said anything (unless something helpful if I knew what it was). Your question is purely about computer hardware/software issues. Don't top post. Quite rude. Cheers, Alan Signature-- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. > > My CF reader is part of my photographic equipment. > > If you think otherwise, that is just your opinion. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Don't top post. Quite rude. Don't write in sentence fragments. It is terse and impolite. The OP has an issue with his photographic equipment. This being a digital photographic group, he is utterly within his rights to ask for help here, not least because there will be a higher proportion of people in this group with experience of his problem than elsewhere. By all means, offer constructive criticism. You might, for example, wish to suggest a more appropriate group. You might wish to point the OP in the direction of advice as to why you consider it rude to top post. These things would be helpful. Cheers, Luke SignatureLincoln City 0-2 Southend United (AET) Swansea City 2-2 Southend United We went up twice with Tilly and Brush > The OP has an issue with his photographic equipment. This being a > digital photographic group, he is utterly within his rights to ask for > help here, not least because there will be a higher proportion of people > in this group with experience of his problem than elsewhere. The OP's question is purely about computer issues and the fact that the card he was reading from a camera, incidental. He would get more relevant feedback and a better variety of replies in a computer forum. eg: if he were having trouble with his card in a camera, that is one thing. Having trouble with his card reader not being recognized in a PC is not at all camera related. Cheers, Alan. Signature-- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. > > The OP has an issue with his photographic equipment. This being a > > digital photographic group, he is utterly within his rights to ask for [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > thing. Having trouble with his card reader not being recognized in a PC > is not at all camera related. I notice you still cannot be bothered to give constructive advice and, indeed, have snipped the sections of my post which suggested that you might. Luke SignatureLincoln City 0-2 Southend United (AET) Swansea City 2-2 Southend United We went up twice with Tilly and Brush >>>The OP has an issue with his photographic equipment. This being a >>>digital photographic group, he is utterly within his rights to ask for [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > indeed, have snipped the sections of my post which suggested that you > might. I've been giving constructive advice about photography and equipment (and learning about same) in this NG and others for years. I haven't seen squat from you. Please see the OP's post and tell me what in it refers to photography of any kind. His question is solely about issues on his computer. Period. NG hierarchy's exist for a reason. Cheers, Alan Signature-- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. > > I notice you still cannot be bothered to give constructive advice and, > > indeed, have snipped the sections of my post which suggested that you > > might. > I've been giving constructive advice about photography and equipment > (and learning about same) in this NG and others for years. I haven't [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > any kind. His question is solely about issues on his computer. Period. > NG hierarchy's exist for a reason. You may wish to read my earlier post where I answer your above request. But, in the interests of clarity, let me just repeat something else: "there will be a higher proportion of people in this group with experience of his problem than elsewhere". Just because you have been giving constructive advice for years does not give you the right to be rude. Fortunately, many others on this group have been more helpful than you. By the way, just because you have seen nothing from me before does not mean I haven't posted. It just means you haven't noticed my posts. If you were to google for them, you would find them. Cheers, Luke SignatureLincoln City 0-2 Southend United (AET) Swansea City 2-2 Southend United We went up twice with Tilly and Brush > Please see the OP's post and tell me what in it refers to photography of > any kind. His question is solely about issues on his computer. Period. > NG hierarchy's exist for a reason. Add the word "digital" to "photography" and the connection may dawn on you: Duh! Phil >> Please see the OP's post and tell me what in it refers to photography >> of any kind. His question is solely about issues on his computer. >> Period. NG hierarchy's exist for a reason. > > Add the word "digital" to "photography" and the connection may dawn on > you: Duh! Okay, the third grade has been heard from. Now, go back and read the OPost and tell me that it is photography related. (Hint: search for "camera", "image", "photo", "photography". Signature-- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. >>> Please see the OP's post and tell me what in it refers to photography >>> of any kind. His question is solely about issues on his computer. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > OPost and tell me that it is photography related. (Hint: search for > "camera", "image", "photo", "photography". Card readers have unique issues not always known to non-photogs, related to drivers and such. Very often the answers will be found by folks who visit this newsgroup, vs. the hard-core computer groups. Now that this third-grader (with PhD) has humored the infant, go get yourself burped and take a nap. Phil >>>> Please see the OP's post and tell me what in it refers to >>>> photography of any kind. His question is solely about issues on his [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > to drivers and such. Very often the answers will be found by folks who > visit this newsgroup, vs. the hard-core computer groups. Card readers are not unique to photography. That's like saying a motorboat group will have better fishing advice than a fishing group. There _is_ a reason for NG hierarchy. > Now that this third-grader (with PhD) has humored the infant, go get > yourself burped and take a nap. If you associate Ph.D with automatic maturity and wiseness you have not paid much attention to all of your peers. Have a nice warm bottle, Alan Signature-- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. > Card readers are not unique to photography. That's like saying a > motorboat group will have better fishing advice than a fishing group. > There _is_ a reason for NG hierarchy. a) be constructive b) tripods are not unique to photography Cheers, Luke SignatureLincoln City 0-2 Southend United (AET) Swansea City 2-2 Southend United We went up twice with Tilly and Brush >>Card readers are not unique to photography. That's like saying a >>motorboat group will have better fishing advice than a fishing group. >>There _is_ a reason for NG hierarchy. > > a) be constructive Read my posts. > b) tripods are not unique to photography But they are essential to good photographic technique. But if somebody talks about using a photo tripod for survey work, I'll say "not here." Signature-- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. > >>Card readers are not unique to photography. That's like saying a > >>motorboat group will have better fishing advice than a fishing group. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Read my posts. I have done. You have been anything but constructive in this thread. > > b) tripods are not unique to photography > > But they are essential to good photographic technique. But if somebody > talks about using a photo tripod for survey work, I'll say "not here." Memory card readers are pretty darned useful to good photographic technique. However, I guess it's time to agree to disagree. Cheers, Luke SignatureLincoln City 0-2 Southend United (AET) Swansea City 2-2 Southend United We went up twice with Tilly and Brush >>> Please see the OP's post and tell me what in it refers to >>> photography of any kind. His question is solely about issues on [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > OPost and tell me that it is photography related. (Hint: search for > "camera", "image", "photo", "photography". The overwhelming majority of people who own card readers use them solely as a part of thei digital imaging work-flow. Honestly, Alan, I think you're being rather over-the-top on this one. SignatureImages (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by Mark² at: www.pbase.com/markuson According to Mark² <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net>: [ ... ] > > Okay, the third grade has been heard from. Now, go back and read the > > OPost and tell me that it is photography related. (Hint: search for [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > a part of thei digital imaging work-flow. Honestly, Alan, I think you're > being rather over-the-top on this one. Well ... while the reason why I *have* card readers and CF cards, I occasionally use them to transfer files too large for floppies between systems when networking is not practical. Enjoy, DoN. SignatureEmail: <dnichols@d-and-d.com> | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- > According to Mark² <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net>: > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Enjoy, > DoN. Perhaps the word "solely" should be replaced with "primarily." Regardless, I see it as rather absurd to harp on someone for asking a question about a basic piece of equipment that is "primarily" used by digital photographers. SignatureImages (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by Mark² at: www.pbase.com/markuson According to Mark² <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net>: > > According to Mark² <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net>: [ ... ] > >> The overwhelming majority of people who own card readers use them > >> solely as a part of thei digital imaging work-flow. Honestly, Alan, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > cards, I occasionally use them to transfer files too large for > > floppies between systems when networking is not practical. [ ... ] > Perhaps the word "solely" should be replaced with "primarily." > Regardless, I see it as rather absurd to harp on someone for asking a > question about a basic piece of equipment that is "primarily" used by > digital photographers. I agree here. And of course, I don't constitute te "overwhelming majority" -- of this newsgroup or any other. :-) Enjoy, DoN. SignatureEmail: <dnichols@d-and-d.com> | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- > >>> Please see the OP's post and tell me what in it refers to > >>> photography of any kind. His question is solely about issues on [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > The overwhelming majority of people who own card readers use them solely as > a part of thei digital imaging work-flow. I don't. And can you help me with my XP SP2 issue? Greg [] > I don't. And can you help me with my XP SP2 issue? > > Greg Why not ask the dealer who sold you the hardware or the software in the first place? David > The overwhelming majority of people who own card readers use them solely as > a part of thei digital imaging work-flow. Honestly, Alan, I think you're > being rather over-the-top on this one. Believe what you like. The original post was a computer question, not at all related to photography. Signature-- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. > Mark" wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Believe what you like. The original post was a computer question, not > at all related to photography. Believe what you like. Or just move on... SignatureLincoln City 0-2 Southend United (AET) Swansea City 2-2 Southend United We went up twice with Tilly and Brush > > > The OP has an issue with his photographic equipment. This being a > > > digital photographic group, he is utterly within his rights to ask for [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > indeed, have snipped the sections of my post which suggested that you > might. While we're on the topic of computer problems can someone tell me why my one XP computer at home hangs on the SP2 install. It hangs at checking product key even though it has a default IBM Thinkpad install and it passes genuine validation. I use my computer to look at photos so this should be on-topic. Greg Signature"What have you got in that paper bag? Is it a dose of Vitamin C? Ain't got no time for Western medicine I am Damo Suzuki" - Mark E Smith >>>> The OP has an issue with his photographic equipment. This being a >>>> digital photographic group, he is utterly within his rights to ask [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > I use my computer to look at photos so this should be on-topic. Common sense, G.T. Find some. SignatureImages (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by Mark² at: www.pbase.com/markuson > While we're on the topic of computer problems can someone tell me why my one > XP computer at home hangs on the SP2 install. It hangs at checking product > key even though it has a default IBM Thinkpad install and it passes genuine > validation. > > I use my computer to look at photos so this should be on-topic. Thanks for proving my point. PC's are general tools and can be used for a lot of things, photography is just one of them. It's not digital slr equipment. Photoshop, RAW import, etc., are photo related, but not PC configuration and hardware issues. Signature-- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. >> My Dazzle compact flash reader no longer shows up as a drive letter. >> When I plug it into the USB port it is recognized by the beep tone. I've [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > This is a photographic equipment NG. You don't consider card readers as an essential part of every DSLR user's equipment? I do. SignatureImages (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by Mark² at: www.pbase.com/markuson "Mark"" <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net> wrote: > >> My Dazzle compact flash reader no longer shows up as a drive letter. > >> When I plug it into the USB port it is recognized by the beep tone. I've [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > equipment? > I do. I suspect he doesn't consider slide projectors relevant to users of film SLRs either... Luke SignatureLincoln City 0-2 Southend United (AET) Swansea City 2-2 Southend United We went up twice with Tilly and Brush > I suspect he doesn't consider slide projectors relevant to users of film > SLRs either... Of course I do. Come up with a better analogy, please. Please show where the OP's question is specifically photographic, or better where it is in no way appropriate on a computer NG. Signature-- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. > > I suspect he doesn't consider slide projectors relevant to users of film > > SLRs either... > > Of course I do. Come up with a better analogy, please. Please show > where the OP's question is specifically photographic, or better where it > is in no way appropriate on a computer NG. All digital photographic questions are in some way appropriate on computer NGs. Anyhow, I've had enough of your pathetic trolling. Good day to you, Luke SignatureLincoln City 0-2 Southend United (AET) Swansea City 2-2 Southend United We went up twice with Tilly and Brush >>>I suspect he doesn't consider slide projectors relevant to users of film >>>SLRs either... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Anyhow, I've had enough of your pathetic trolling. Ahem. Signature-- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. >>>My Dazzle compact flash reader no longer shows up as a drive letter. >>>When I plug it into the USB port it is recognized by the beep tone. I've [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > You don't consider card readers as an essential part of every DSLR user's > equipment? Sure. And as I've already pointed out, if his question were about the "card" in a camera, I would not object and might even have something to help. But his question is about a card reader in a PC. This is a computer issue, not a photography or digital _camera_ equipment issue. If the reverse question were posted in a computer group, say "My card doesn't work in my camera" they would likely say: go to the camera gearheads. I've had my share of USB and CF issues and everytime the solution has been something subtley different to the point where I have no unique way of tracking it down and likely each time I've "fixed" it, I've probably set up a future problem or issue with other h/w or s/w. These are things that the good 'ole nerds in the computer groups are great at. Cheers, Alan Signature-- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. > If the reverse question were posted in a computer group, say "My card > doesn't work in my camera" they would likely say: go to the camera > gearheads. ! SignatureLincoln City 0-2 Southend United (AET) Swansea City 2-2 Southend United We went up twice with Tilly and Brush > If the reverse question were posted in a computer group, say "My card > doesn't work in my camera" they would likely say: go to the camera > gearheads. Odd. The group I frequent tends to be helpful. Besides, that's still a lot more constructive than the advice you failed to give. Cheers, Luke SignatureLincoln City 0-2 Southend United (AET) Swansea City 2-2 Southend United We went up twice with Tilly and Brush >>If the reverse question were posted in a computer group, say "My card >>doesn't work in my camera" they would likely say: go to the camera >>gearheads. > > Odd. The group I frequent tends to be helpful. Besides, that's still a > lot more constructive than the advice you failed to give. et tu, Brute? Signature-- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. > My Dazzle compact flash reader no longer shows up as a drive letter. When I > plug it into the USB port it is recognized by the beep tone. I've been into > device mgr. and uninstalled the USB device and rebooted but that does not > deem to help. > Anybody got any ideas how to fix this issue.? Switching USB ports can confuse the computer. Try to remember which one worked before... just another thought... > > My Dazzle compact flash reader no longer shows up as a drive letter. When I > > plug it into the USB port it is recognized by the beep tone. I've been into [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Switching USB ports can confuse the computer. Try to remember which one > worked before... just another thought... It may be able to confuse Windows but it doesn't confuse OS X. Greg > My Dazzle compact flash reader no longer shows up as a drive letter. When > I plug it into the USB port it is recognized by the beep tone. I've been > into device mgr. and uninstalled the USB device and rebooted but that does > not deem to help. > Anybody got any ideas how to fix this issue.? After you connect the card reader, and insert your memory card, try clicking on the View pull-down menu, then click on Refresh. Sometimes it takes awhile to be recognized, this action should find it if everything else is working properly. Another thing to consider is if originally the card reader was recognized as a particular drive letter, adding other devices can cause the drive letter assignments to shift to new drive letters. So if your camera / photo editing software is pointing to drive letter F: for example, and the PC reassigned it to drive letter H:, then you would have to go into your software configuration and point it to the newly assigned drive letter. Hope this helps. Bill Crocker > My Dazzle compact flash reader no longer shows up as a drive letter. When I > plug it into the USB port it is recognized by the beep tone. I've been into > device mgr. and uninstalled the USB device and rebooted but that does not > deem to help. > Anybody got any ideas how to fix this issue.? 1) Place a CF card with known content, in the reader, and check to see if the reader registers as a drive that is visible in "my computer"; if it does, use the search facility to search that drive letter for the file known to be on the CF card. 2) Take the CF card with known content, and the reader, and connect to another machine, and see if the contents of the card are recognized. 3) Power the machine down, _and unplug it from the wall_ overnight; in the morning, power up, then immediately shut down again, and power up, and then see if the reader is recognized. ns >> My Dazzle compact flash reader no longer shows up as a drive letter. >> When I plug it into the USB port it is recognized by the beep tone. I've [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > the morning, power up, then immediately shut down again, and power up, > and then see if the reader is recognized. There is absolutely no benefit to "powering off overnight." Nothing magical happens during the state of "off" that doesn't happen after a few short moments...unless your machine is so overheated that it's about to melt components--at which point, your problem far exceed something that a power-down will help. If you "solved" a problem this way in the past, I can assure you it was coincidence... SignatureImages (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by Mark² at: www.pbase.com/markuson > There is absolutely no benefit to "powering off overnight." Nothing magical > happens during the state of "off" that doesn't happen after a few short [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > If you "solved" a problem this way in the past, I can assure you it was > coincidence... Some components can enter a "lockup" state that is help up by a capacitor that has a high impedence path to ground. Unplugging the computer for 1 to 10 minutes is probably enough in all but the rarest of cases. A few moments might not be enough in some cases. Oh my God, that wasn't about photography. Shoot me. Signature-- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. |
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