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PG - 09 Oct 2006 21:51 GMT
I'm confused about software packages, so perhaps someone can help:

I have a Konica Minolta 5D, and generally use Picasa for viewing and
minor edits, or a rather old Photoshop Limited Edition 5.0, that came
with a scanner I bought years ago, for detailed tweaks. For adjusting
RAW files I use the KM-supplied DiMage Master Lite, which is just
horrible to use.

Given that I don't intend to spend £500 for Photoshop CS2, I'm
confused about what features Photoshop Elements 4 (or 5) offers. How
would it compare to my Photoshop LE, which does pretty much everything
I want, except thta it doesn't understand Minolta RAW files or work in
16-bit mode? Does Elements support .MRW? Does it provide a full range
of filters, curves, histogram adjustments, layers etc? The sales blurb
seems remarkably unhelpful on such details.

Also, user reviews on Amazon for Elements range from 'It's great' to
'It's unusably slow even on my 4GHz PC'. What's the truth?

Any advice gratefully received.

-PG
Paul Furman - 09 Oct 2006 22:05 GMT
> I'm confused about software packages, so perhaps someone can help:
>
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> 16-bit mode? Does Elements support .MRW? Does it provide a full range
> of filters, curves, histogram adjustments, layers etc?

It's my understanding the main difference is that Elements does not have
layers (I'm not certain of this).

> The sales blurb
> seems remarkably unhelpful on such details.
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>
> -PG

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Scott W - 09 Oct 2006 22:51 GMT
> It's my understanding the main difference is that Elements does not
have
> layers (I'm not certain of this).

Elements does have layers, I would not use it if it did not.

Scott
Paul Furman - 10 Oct 2006 21:28 GMT
>> It's my understanding the main difference is that Elements does not
> have layers (I'm not certain of this).
>  
> Elements does have layers, I would not use it if it did not.

OK, maybe it's 'adjustment layers' like curves or levels that can be
masked or partially erased... though you could just duplicate the layer,
adjust and erase/mask that you wouldn't be able to go back & change the
shape of the curve. Not a huge problem.

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Scott W - 10 Oct 2006 21:36 GMT
> >> It's my understanding the main difference is that Elements does not
> > have layers (I'm not certain of this).
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> adjust and erase/mask that you wouldn't be able to go back & change the
> shape of the curve. Not a huge problem.

Nope, you get adjustment layers as well.
What you don't get are layers at the same time as 16 bits/color.

Scott
POHB - 10 Oct 2006 08:37 GMT
> I'm confused about software packages, so perhaps someone can help:
>
> Given that I don't intend to spend £500 for Photoshop CS2, I'm
> confused about what features Photoshop Elements 4 (or 5) offers.

Last time I looked you could download a free trial of Elements and find
out for yourself.
Last time I tried it on my PC it ran once and then hung, then refused
to run again.
Needless to say I didn't go on to buy it.
Protoncek (ex.SleeperMan) - 10 Oct 2006 10:38 GMT
PG wrote:
> I'm confused about software packages, so perhaps someone can help:
>
> Given that I don't intend to spend £500 for Photoshop CS2, I'm
> confused about what features Photoshop Elements 4 (or 5) offers.

Last time I looked you could download a free trial of Elements and find
out for yourself.
Last time I tried it on my PC it ran once and then hung, then refused
to run again.
Needless to say I didn't go on to buy it.

that's your bad luck...with your PC and has nothing to do with elements.
Elements do have layers, just not that extensive as photoshop. Elements also
doesn't have actions, so you can't record any batch works.
etc.
Buy, it's definitely best to get a trial and test it.
Ken Davey - 11 Oct 2006 04:23 GMT
>> I'm confused about software packages, so perhaps someone can help:
>> Check out this - http://www.gimp.org/

Ken.

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Alan Browne - 10 Oct 2006 20:52 GMT
> I'm confused about software packages, so perhaps someone can help:
>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> of filters, curves, histogram adjustments, layers etc? The sales blurb
> seems remarkably unhelpful on such details.

Elements 3.0 handles Minolta RAW very well and runs quite well on my
dual-core Athlon (2.2 GHz), but was slow-to-start on my 2.4 GHz Celeron.

It provides many useful filters (I mainly use unsharp mask and little
else, your needs may be different) and more filters can be added ($)
from 3rd party sources.  Many curves, histos, layers, etc. etc. etc.

16 bit mode is restrained, so I edit as much as I can in 16 bit (after
RAW import) before converting to 8 bit for crop and unsharp-mask final
output.  8 bit/color is more dynamic range than most (all?) printers and
certainly all displays.

Only nit is "info" on color is RGB which makes skin tone adjustment hard
(would be much easier in CYM using yellow/magenta as guide... this is
available in CS, not in the Elements products).

I can only assume that Elements 4 / 5 are better than Elements 3.  I
will buy CS2 when it innevitably goes on sale before the next major
revision.

£500 is very expensive for CS2.  You can get it in the US for US$650
which is quite a bit less. (£=US$1.87)

Cheers,
Alan

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PG - 10 Oct 2006 21:42 GMT
On Oct 10, 8:52 pm, Alan Browne <alan.bro...@FreeLunchVideotron.ca>
wrote:

> It provides many useful filters (I mainly use unsharp mask and little
> else, your needs may be different) and more filters can be added ($)
> from 3rd party sources.  Many curves, histos, layers, etc. etc. etc.

Thanks for your reply (and the same to others who replied). Sounds like
Elements may be sufficient for my needs. I'm currently downloading the
trial version - 364MB from a server giving me around 170kB/s so it'll
be a while...
- PG
Alan Browne - 10 Oct 2006 21:49 GMT
> Elements may be sufficient for my needs. I'm currently downloading the
> trial version - 364MB from a server giving me around 170kB/s so it'll
> be a while...

That's how I got it ... online and IIRC at about that data rate
(assuming you mean kB/s = k Bytes/s).

Saved me about CAD$30 v. buying it online v. from the local Staples.

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PG - 11 Oct 2006 13:55 GMT
> Saved me about CAD$30 v. buying it online v. from the local Staples.

The new Elements 5 seems to £69.32 to buy online from adobe, or
£69.99 for a full boxed version from amazon.co.uk.

- PG
Alan Browne - 15 Oct 2006 19:30 GMT
>>Saved me about CAD$30 v. buying it online v. from the local Staples.
>
> The new Elements 5 seems to £69.32 to buy online from adobe, or
> £69.99 for a full boxed version from amazon.co.uk.

Jeez you Brits get ripped every time.  Here it's US$89.99 so you're
paying 1.45 times what I would pay!  (Actually, if I upgrade, it's only
$69.99 as I have E 3.0).  Can't you DL it from the US site and pay
US$89.99 on your CC?

I'd still download it (unless I had poor bandwidth):

    -more environmentally friendly than shipping
    -no packaging to clutter up my, er, clutter.
    -will be obsolete before the CD backup decays (5 years, typ.)

Cheers,
Alan
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cjcampbell - 11 Oct 2006 04:43 GMT
> I'm confused about software packages, so perhaps someone can help:
>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> of filters, curves, histogram adjustments, layers etc? The sales blurb
> seems remarkably unhelpful on such details.

Photoshop Elements is an excellent value that will probably do
everything you want to do. In many ways it is actually easier to use
than Photoshop. Adobe has a habit of introducing new features in
Elements before putting them in Photoshop, believe it or not. The
red-eye tool was an example of this. While Elements has not got the
power or capability of Photoshop, it does have many more useful tools
and templates. Elements is for people who don't think they need to
re-invent the wheel every time they edit a picture. Photoshop is for
those who like to tinker a lot.
Charles Schuler - 11 Oct 2006 21:35 GMT
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