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Minolta Question , Need Advice .

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veritas - 08 Oct 2006 09:12 GMT
Hi ,

       I have a Minolta Maxxum 7xi . Now , 14 yeras after I purchased it ,
I am looking to find instruction sheets for the creative expansion cards
that it uses. I am seriously considering skipping to the Minolta Maxxum 7D
( digital ) sooner rather than later . Can anyone tell me if the nice
functions of those expansion cards on the 35mm 7xi are already built in to
the Maxxum 7D ?

Also , as far as the 35 mm 7xi goes I would really like to get instruction
sheets for some of the cards I plan on purchasing from eBay(?) . Any ideas
where I may be able to find them ?

All I have is the Hove publication on the Maxxum 7xi -- which writes about
the cards but not in detail ...

Thanks in advance ..
David Kilpatrick - 08 Oct 2006 10:58 GMT
> Hi ,
>
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> All I have is the Hove publication on the Maxxum 7xi -- which writes about
> the cards but not in detail ...

TRY:

http://ca.konicaminolta.com/support/americas/

If anyone out there is short of cards, I have a pallet of the things new
and packaged. Mixed. No idea exactly what, probably all outdated types.
A few hundred of them. Since I don't think they are worth anything at
all I have not even tried to sell any.

Some of the cards add functions - like exposure bracketing - not present
in the original camera. Others do clever stuff which even the Dynax 7
called for human control to reach, like auto Depth of Field calculation.
Some do stuff which no human can manage, like the Fantasy card which
operates a power zoom during a short time exposure to produce a halo
blur. But others just switch to a Sports mode or a Close-up mode, easily
found in later cameras as a picture style function.

The unique ones remain unique and we will probably never see anything
like them again. I keep a 35-200mm lens, 7xi and Fantasy card just as a
record of what they thought could be possible.

David
veritas - 08 Oct 2006 15:38 GMT
>> Hi ,
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>
> David

I might be interested in the cards you have if they're OK . I am just
familiarizing myself with the many types( after 14 years of being slack with
my photography ) . I only have a 7xi with a Minolta AF 28-80 zoom .Is this
enough to fully utilize their potential ? Or do I have to buy extra
accessories ?  Also , all those cards seem desirable , but as you say some
are exceptional and unique . I like the multi-exposure and fantasy card .
Can you think of others ?I like the artistic side of things e.g. portraits ,
multiple exposures , child --any others (?). It would help if I had the
instruction sheets that come with the packs that contain the cards -- since
I really don't know how to use them offhand  then I will probably miss
important features ( the Canadian Minolta website you recommended doesn't
have the manuals for the creative expansion cards -- I tried looking ) and
it will take me ages to work it out and even. Can you recommend any other
cards that will be useful ?But I definitely need the instructions .

Do you think the Canon EOS 5D is better than the Minolta Maxxum/Dynax 7D out
of interest ? I'm not giving up on film and will probably use both 35mm and
digital-SLR together .
David Kilpatrick - 08 Oct 2006 22:44 GMT
>>>Hi ,
>>>
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> of interest ? I'm not giving up on film and will probably use both 35mm and
> digital-SLR together .

If you can afford the Canon 5D, it's much better, yes - and I say this
as a Minolta user. However, you need to be able to afford the right
lenses (the 5D is quite picky about which exact lens types you use,
producing bad results in the corners from some zooms and wides) and
ideally, a couple of image stabilised lenses. The cheaper 70-300mm IS
USM really isn't up to the 5D - or any - digital standards, it was soft
even on our 300D and is probably softer on our new 400D, will know soon.
Bonus, however, is that the cheap Canon 50mm f1.8 and 28mm f2.8 lenses
are both star performers of the 5D.

To make the most the Fantasy card you must have an xi Power Zoom lens. I
don't think any of the others need a special lens, but many are quite
limited if you only have 28-80mm, as they can program effects or
settings for a much wider range (20mm to 300mm).

I have:

Exposure Bracketing card
Data Memory Card - this is a model 1 card, and most people want the type 2
Auto Program Shift 2
A-S Mode card
Flash Bracketing card

All are new, unused, shrink wrapped in some cases. I have LOADS of
Bracketing cards. I'll mail one free to anyone subscribing to our
Photoworld magazine (UK Minolta Club mag) in addition to any other offer
we are making, on request. They hardly add anything to the weight.

David
Fred McKenzie - 08 Oct 2006 23:17 GMT
> Do you think the Canon EOS 5D is better than the Minolta Maxxum/Dynax 7D out
> of interest ? I'm not giving up on film and will probably use both 35mm and
> digital-SLR together .

Veritas-

Don't kid yourself.  Once you start shooting digital, you will find
yourself shooting less and less film, and eventually none.  The film I
shot was of the Space Shuttle Columbia's last launch, and only because
that was the body that worked with the Minolta 500mm AF Mirror lens.

I have the Minolta 9xi body.  I think I have the "Child" card for it, but
don't recall for sure.  There were two auto-zoom cards, and I got the
cheaper one.  I have a 28-105mm power zoom lens that is required for the
auto-zoom feature of the card to work.  If your 28-80 is mechanical zoom,
neither auto-zoom card will work with it.

If price is important, look for a good used or new-old-stock
Konica-Minolta 7D.  If you can afford it, I suggest you go for the Sony
Alpha 100 with its higher pixel count.  I got mine when it first appeared
at a Ritz store and have not regretted it.  It works with all of my old
Minolta lenses including the power zoom lens and the 500mm f/8 AF mirror
lens.  (I used the 500mm to shoot the most recent Shuttle launch from my
front yard, and you can see the solid rockets separating.)

With either body, get it with the kit lens.  It is unlikely that any of
your existing 35mm lenses will provide the wide angle coverage of the kit
lens.  Because of the digital sensor's 1.5X "crop factor", your 28-80 zoom
lens will provide the equivalent coverage of a 42-120mm lens on a 35mm
film body.

The Canon EOS 5D is a fine camera.  It has a full frame sensor, so there
is no crop factor to worry about.  But it is not the "end-all" camera
body, and will likely be replaced by a newer model within the next six
months.  If you choose to get one, it means all new lenses and
accessories, as you probably realize.  The KM 7D or SA 100 will allow you
to use most of your existing 7xi accessories, and will be a lot less
expensive way to break into digital photography.

Fred
veritas - 09 Oct 2006 17:16 GMT
>> Do you think the Canon EOS 5D is better than the Minolta Maxxum/Dynax 7D
>> out
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> auto-zoom feature of the card to work.  If your 28-80 is mechanical zoom,
> neither auto-zoom card will work with it.

I presume the lens I have is an auto-zoom with a switch to go from manual
focus to  auto-focus . It writes " ZOOMXi AF 28-80/4-5.6"Is this the Power
Zoom you mean ?

and here
:http://support.sony-europe.com/DIME/digistill/alpha/compatibility/lens.asp?l=en&
m=DSLR-A100#km_xi

it says "Xi Lens can use a power zoom function with a built-in motor" but
then it has a particular lens listed as Power Zoom under the Xi category :

AF PZ 35-80/4-5.6

I am confused . Is the lens I have Pwer Zoom or Not ?

> If price is important, look for a good used or new-old-stock
> Konica-Minolta 7D.  If you can afford it, I suggest you go for the Sony
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>
> Fred
David Kilpatrick - 09 Oct 2006 19:35 GMT
>>>Do you think the Canon EOS 5D is better than the Minolta Maxxum/Dynax 7D
>>>out
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>
> I am confused . Is the lens I have Pwer Zoom or Not ?

Yes, you've got an xi power zoom, you can use the Fantasy card and
auto-zoom card.

David
veritas - 10 Oct 2006 17:15 GMT
>> Do you think the Canon EOS 5D is better than the Minolta Maxxum/Dynax 7D
>> out
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>
> Fred

Is the AutoZoom creative expansion card called " autozoom" ? I don't see
that on the list I have .

What exactly does it do that the camera without it can't  do ?
Fred McKenzie - 12 Oct 2006 18:57 GMT
> Is the AutoZoom creative expansion card called " autozoom" ? I don't see
> that on the list I have .
>
> What exactly does it do that the camera without it can't  do ?

Veritas-

Autozoom is how the card does what it does.  I believe it works with the
power zoom lenses to keep subject size constant by zooming in when the
focus point moves away, and zooming out when the focus point gets closer.

As I recall, mine is the "Child" card.  I think another was called a
"sports" card, but my memory is dim.  The two had different criteria for
choosing when to zoom and/or how much.  There may be other cards that use
the power zoom lens, but I'm not familiar with them.

Someone mentioned that your 28-80 lens may not have enough zoom range to
give much benefit to such a card, but it still might be interesting to
try.

Fred
veritas - 13 Oct 2006 07:08 GMT
>> Is the AutoZoom creative expansion card called " autozoom" ? I don't see
>> that on the list I have .
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>
> Fred

Hi Fred ,
                Because I want the film camera for artistic things like
soft focus portraits of girlfriends , wives etc ..and other creative things
like boudoir photography,
I will get some good used power zoom xi lenses 100-300 mm and 35-200 mm when
I find them on eBay etc . And some other cards that I like when I find them
.

But I will follow your advice ( and David's before ) and get a Sony
alpha-100 with its lenses in kit ( or maybe I could use the used xi lenses
there ? ) for all the
rest of the photography -- and my "gut instinct" tells me I will be using
film less and less as you said . But , I hope they introduce some cool
artistic
modes in the firmware of the Sony cameras.

On the other hand , I have seen some beautiful artistic photos taken by
digital using 3 different exposures and averaging hem out by Photoshop ...I
have a page
saved somewhere of an article I read recently on the New York Times about
this -- I was very impressed . I might post it here if I can find it .

Best ,

Peter
Alan Browne - 10 Oct 2006 22:10 GMT
> Hi ,
>
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> functions of those expansion cards on the 35mm 7xi are already built in to
> the Maxxum 7D ?

No.  The cards applied to cameras of that era (xi and a few others).
Many of the cards depended on the lens being xi with electic zoom and
AF.  (For example the "Child" card would automatically zoom to "fit" the
subject into the frame.  This actually worked reasonably well).

One cool function was the "soft focus" card which would drive the AF
during exposure to achieve soft focus.  (I didn't have this card, but it
was a cool effect in the brochure...)  No reason it could not be
replicated in DSLR firmware... but it isn't.

Most of these functions were controlled with the FUNC key and changing
the front and/or rear dial to different settings.  (eg: not soft, a bit
soft, soft and really soft = 0,1,2,3).  So absent a manual you might be
able to figure them out.

> Also , as far as the 35 mm 7xi goes I would really like to get instruction
> sheets for some of the cards I plan on purchasing from eBay(?) . Any ideas
> where I may be able to find them ?

Google away, somebody may have scanned them or may have them up for sale.

The Maxxum 7xi manual is (was) on the Minolta site.  e-mail me (without
the Freelunch) and I will e-mail you the manual (in 3 pdf parts).

Cheers,
Alan

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