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Nikon D-SLR depreciation?

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yubbers9@yahoo.com - 04 Oct 2006 03:30 GMT
Hi,

Is there a rule of thumb for Nikon digital SLR depreciation?
I am thinking of the D70 in particular.

Thanks.
Jeremy Nixon - 04 Oct 2006 03:54 GMT
> Is there a rule of thumb for Nikon digital SLR depreciation?
> I am thinking of the D70 in particular.

For tax purposes, you can probably call it computer equipment and account
the entire cost in one year.  Or are you asking something else?

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Thomas T. Veldhouse - 04 Oct 2006 14:56 GMT
>> Is there a rule of thumb for Nikon digital SLR depreciation?
>> I am thinking of the D70 in particular.
>
> For tax purposes, you can probably call it computer equipment and account
> the entire cost in one year.  Or are you asking something else?

Of course ... Jeremy is not give tax advice, right Jeremy?

If you images are being sold, you can consider the tax laws surrounding a
hobby.  If you make a business around photography, then a tax question here is
inappropriate by all standards.  

I suspect the OP was really asking what a good used price is for a D70, to
either buy one for himself or perhaps to sell his for the correct price.
Right?

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Jeremy Nixon - 05 Oct 2006 06:40 GMT
> Of course ... Jeremy is not give tax advice, right Jeremy?

Well, I did say "probably". :)  I know people have done that, though,
under advice from professionals.  I haven't myself, since I can't
claim with a straight face to be a pro photographer, but I've done
that a few times with computers.  The alternative would be to do a
three-year depreciation schedule; the only real question is whether
it's computer equipment or not.

> I suspect the OP was really asking what a good used price is for a D70,

Yeah, you're probably right.  The wording of the question sounded
otherwise, though, hence my reply.

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cjcampbell - 26 Oct 2006 02:48 GMT
> >> Is there a rule of thumb for Nikon digital SLR depreciation?
> >> I am thinking of the D70 in particular.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> hobby.  If you make a business around photography, then a tax question here is
> inappropriate by all standards.

Well, as one who does give tax advice, I have to say that even if you
are in a position to legally depreciate or deduct your equipment, you
should weigh very carefully the decision to do so. Many things have to
be considered, including what you do with obsolete equipment, whether
you sell equipment retail, etc. I am retired, but that kind of advice
is expensive, and worth every penny.
Sheldon - 04 Oct 2006 23:25 GMT
> Hi,
>
> Is there a rule of thumb for Nikon digital SLR depreciation?
> I am thinking of the D70 in particular.
>
> Thanks.

If you're wondering what it's worth, I'd take a look over at eBay.  Looks
like a D70 body only with charger CF card and box is going for just over
$400 with two hours left.  Obviously, that could jump up before the close.
Sheldon - 05 Oct 2006 04:56 GMT
>> Hi,
>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> like a D70 body only with charger CF card and box is going for just over
> $400 with two hours left.  Obviously, that could jump up before the close.

It went for about $500.
Jim - 26 Oct 2006 02:40 GMT
> Hi,
>
> Is there a rule of thumb for Nikon digital SLR depreciation?
> I am thinking of the D70 in particular.
>
> Thanks.

Its not limited to Nikon.. any digital SLR bought today has about zero
worth in 2 years.

My film cameras aren't worth much either, but they still take
photographs which exceed any digital made today (as long as I can buy
film!)  My  three old digitals however are worthless on the open market
and pretty close to worthless to me compared to my newer digital.

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Floyd L. Davidson - 26 Oct 2006 03:18 GMT
>> Hi,
>> Is there a rule of thumb for Nikon digital SLR depreciation?
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Its not limited to Nikon.. any digital SLR bought today has
>about zero worth in 2 years.

That is clearly not true.  How long has the D70 been out, for
example, and what is the price comparison today with when it was
released?  Same with the D2x (which is now just at two years
old, and hardly sells for zero today).

>My film cameras aren't worth much either, but they still take

Everything to do with film these days seems to be worth next to
nothing.  Film cameras, except for the best, are dirt cheap.
Items such as enlargers and enlarging lenses are so cheap it is
tempting, just because it is possible to have anything you ever
dreamed of!  ;-)

>photographs which exceed any digital made today (as long as I
>can buy film!)

That is simply not true.  Digital SLRs have passed film SLR in
almost all respects.  The only way you can get better from film
is using larger formats, or maybe find some obscure niche.

>My  three old digitals however are worthless on
>the open market and pretty close to worthless to me compared to
>my newer digital.

Three year old DSLRs range from worthless to still pretty good
depending on how well you shopped three years ago!  If you
bought something that wasn't so hot at the time, what did you
expect by now?

I keep a Nikon D1 (7 years old now) around for backup, and even
use it now and then!  Granted it is not my camera of choice
today, but it beats the pants off *many* cameras (and virtually
all 35mm film cameras).

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Philip Homburg - 26 Oct 2006 08:45 GMT
>I keep a Nikon D1 (7 years old now) around for backup, and even
>use it now and then!  Granted it is not my camera of choice
>today, but it beats the pants off *many* cameras (and virtually
>all 35mm film cameras).

A D1 is only better than 'virtually all 35mm film cameras' if you include
all the single use cameras and other junk that was ever made.

There is no way that a D1 is going to beat ISO 100 film, either slide or
print, in a Nikon SLR at A4 or larger.

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Floyd L. Davidson - 26 Oct 2006 11:36 GMT
>>I keep a Nikon D1 (7 years old now) around for backup, and even
>>use it now and then!  Granted it is not my camera of choice
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>There is no way that a D1 is going to beat ISO 100 film, either slide or
>print, in a Nikon SLR at A4 or larger.

Matter of opinion.  Mine is as stated.  I wouldn't trade a D1
for *any* 35mm film camera.

Just for starters, I've never managed to develop a role of film
and scan it to digital as fast as I can download a CF card from
the D1.  Second, no matter how I try, I can't get exposures as
accurately in the field with film as I can with the D1.

You see, "beat" depends on what you are hitting on...

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Philip Homburg - 26 Oct 2006 12:37 GMT
>Matter of opinion.  Mine is as stated.  I wouldn't trade a D1
>for *any* 35mm film camera.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>You see, "beat" depends on what you are hitting on...

Well, I want at least A4 sized prints. And no matter how fast the D1 is, or
how accurate the exposure, I know I won't like the results at that size.

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Rita Ä Berkowitz - 26 Oct 2006 10:51 GMT
>> Its not limited to Nikon.. any digital SLR bought today has
>> about zero worth in 2 years.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> released?  Same with the D2x (which is now just at two years
> old, and hardly sells for zero today).

He's not that far off since a new D2x was $5K when introduced and sold new
for $3,800 prior to the release of the D2xs.  Knock 40% off of that price to
buy an immaculate used D2x with anything over 3,000 shutter actuations and
you quickly reach zero.  No brand of dSLR body is going to hold its value
since 18-months is the average useful life expectancy.

Rita
Floyd L. Davidson - 26 Oct 2006 11:47 GMT
>>> Its not limited to Nikon.. any digital SLR bought today has
>>> about zero worth in 2 years.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>you quickly reach zero.  No brand of dSLR body is going to hold its value
>since 18-months is the average useful life expectancy.

You never were much good with arithmetic, were you?

Knocking 40% off of $3,800 is not exactly close to zero.  It is
still more than the cost of a brand new D200, even with no
discount!

Hence your example, if you could merey add correctly, shows
that his claim was wrong.

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Rita Ä Berkowitz - 26 Oct 2006 12:05 GMT
>> He's not that far off since a new D2x was $5K when introduced and
>> sold new for $3,800 prior to the release of the D2xs.  Knock 40% off
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> You never were much good with arithmetic, were you?

I'm the best!

> Knocking 40% off of $3,800 is not exactly close to zero.  It is
> still more than the cost of a brand new D200, even with no
> discount!

Let's see.  I'm skydiving and jump out of a plane at 5000' and my partner
jumps out at 3800' and the other person jumps out 40% lower than my partner.
You do the math.  The laws of gravity dictate they will quickly hit "0" the
ground sooner or later.  I'm keeping it simple by not including terminal
velocity and sea level.

> Hence your example, if you could merey add correctly, shows
> that his claim was wrong.

It's 100% correct when factoring the laws of economics.

Rita
Skip - 26 Oct 2006 04:35 GMT
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> My film cameras aren't worth much either, but they still take photographs
> which exceed any digital made today (as long as I can buy film!)

Gee, your film cameras must be way better than mine!  My Canon 1n doesn't
compare to my 5D in image quality, now that ISO 25 film is impossible to
find...
Or did you mean that you shoot large format...

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