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Photo Forum / Digital Photography / DSLR Cameras / October 2006Oh God! WHY did they shrink the D80 from D70 dimensions??!
The size of a D50??? Why? Do they anticipate more women than men buying it? Why on EARTH would anyone want it that small? This is classed as an above entry level camera so what is with with the P&S size reasoning? Big mistake, IMO. The D70 is a MUCH more handle-friendly camera than the D50. from dpreview: Body & Design Sticking with what people find familiar (and works) the D80 pretty much follows the design of the D70/D70s, albeit with a few tweaks, mostly softening of lines, with a more rounded top and molding around the shutter release. Dimensionally however the D80 is quite a bit smaller, virtually the same size as the D50. > The size of a D50??? Why? Do they anticipate more women than men > buying it? Oh God! WHY does RichA care??! He'll never own a DSLR!!! Greg  Signature"All my time I spent in heaven Revelries of dance and wine Waking to the sound of laughter Up I'd rise and kiss the sky" - The Mekons One of the two points about the D80 that have prevented me rushing out to 'upgrade' from the D70, is the size reduction - I have big hands. Secondly, why adopt sd cards for storage, compact flash is easier to handle and more durable. > The size of a D50??? Why? Do they anticipate more women than men > buying it? [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > shutter release. Dimensionally however the D80 is quite a bit smaller, > virtually the same size as the D50. > One of the two points about the D80 that have prevented me rushing > out to 'upgrade' from the D70, is the size reduction - I have big > hands. Were I buying a DSLR, I would probably look for a more compact size. After all, the sensor is only 2/3 the size of a 35mm frame, so it would nice if everything else were 2/3 the size (where possible). Have you actually tried holding a D80? > Secondly, why adopt sd cards for storage, compact flash is easier to > handle and more durable. What evidence is there that CF is more durable, especially if you include the fragile multi-pin connector? I suspect that SD now provides compatibility with a greater number and range of devices. In any case, you would be buying new memory for your new camera, wouldn't you, and selling off the old? David According to David J Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.not-this-bit.nor-this-part.uk>: [ ... ] > > Secondly, why adopt sd cards for storage, compact flash is easier to > > handle and more durable. > > What evidence is there that CF is more durable, especially if you include > the fragile multi-pin connector? The CF card (with its female connector) should well be more durable. What may not be so is the male connector in the camera, if someone is not sufficiently careful in inserting it. There are sufficient clues as to the proper orientation so it *should* not be a problem to anyone who uses it and pays *any* attention to the markings adjacent to the camera's slot (at least based on the Nikon D70) and the tactile cues on the CF card itself. The *only* time that I have put a CF card in wrong was when I was experimenting to see what was possible. You can't push it in all the way with the card wrong side to -- the guides prevent that. You can't push it in at all with the connector edge out. You *can* push it too far with a side edge first -- but that feels so wrong that I find it difficult to imagine *anyone* pushing it in far enough to damage the pins in the camera's socket. > I suspect that SD now provides > compatibility with a greater number and range of devices. "Devices"? You mean cameras -- or card readers? I find the CF easier to deal with on my older Sun computers, which do not offer USB interfaces at all. The newer ones do offer them, but I am not using one as my current deskside computer at present. > In any case, > you would be buying new memory for your new camera, wouldn't you, and > selling off the old? Well ... this would rather *force* him into buying new memory for the D80, even if he had a D70 and wished to continue to use it as well. When I finally get a D200, I do not expect to sell my D70, nor do I expect to get rid of my current CF cards. The 4GB one will certainly work well in the D200, and the 1GB ones will be good for short shoots at least. (As for the ancient CF cards which I have, 48 MB, 16MB, and even one 8MB -- they would hardly sell for enough to make them worth selling -- and I do use them occasionally to move files between two computers one of which doesn't happen to be currently networked. They hold a lot more than a floppy, and I already have them, so why get rid of them? And the SD cards seem to be too small and too light -- easy for one to blow away if set down outdoors, or to have it slip out of my fingers and perhaps become lost in leaves and other ground debris. Enjoy, DoN. SignatureEmail: <dnichols@d-and-d.com> | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- [] > And the SD cards seem to be too small and too light -- easy for > one to blow away if set down outdoors, or to have it slip out of my > fingers and perhaps become lost in leaves and other ground debris. > > Enjoy, > DoN. I must confess that, while this has never happened to me, I can see that the cards may be too small for some people. At least with the Nikon range you now have a choice. Cheers, David > The CF card (with its female connector) should well be more > durable. Drunken idiots should not be handling cameras ;) SignatureReality-Is finding that perfect picture and never looking back. www.gregblankphoto.com >> One of the two points about the D80 that have prevented me rushing >> out to 'upgrade' from the D70, is the size reduction - I have big [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > David I saw a test of different cards, and CF seems to win out when it comes to durability. Everything from heat to cold to running the things through a washing machine to driving a car over them. I will admit the pins look a little fragile, but I've never heard of anyone having a problem with them. I suspect the same thing you do, that they are trying to make SD the new standard. Plus, it gives the designers more room inside the camera to either add stuff or make the camera smaller. . > Plus, it gives the designers more room inside the camera to > either add stuff or make the camera smaller. Look at them: less costly, cheaper crap. SignatureReality-Is finding that perfect picture and never looking back. www.gregblankphoto.com In article <SUrRg.23905$r61.7564@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, "David J Taylor" <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.not-this-bit.nor-this-part.uk> wrote: > > One of the two points about the D80 that have prevented me rushing > > out to 'upgrade' from the D70, is the size reduction - I have big [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > David If I was a maker, I would obviate the need for eternal removable cards and provide a connection like FW800 or USB 2 (perhaps faster) that allows very fast connection to the computer. SignatureReality-Is finding that perfect picture and never looking back. www.gregblankphoto.com [] > If I was a maker, I would obviate the need for eternal removable cards > and provide a connection like FW800 or USB 2 (perhaps faster) that > allows very fast connection to the computer. I wouldn't buy a camera where I couldn't change cards in the field. David > [] >> If I was a maker, I would obviate the need for eternal removable cards >> and provide a connection like FW800 or USB 2 (perhaps faster) that >> allows very fast connection to the computer. > > I wouldn't buy a camera where I couldn't change cards in the field. So, you have one of those long lasting "eternal" cards? Does its warranty apply to successors and heirs? SignatureJohn McWilliams > > [] > >> If I was a maker, I would obviate the need for eternal removable cards [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > So, you have one of those long lasting "eternal" cards? Does its > warranty apply to successors and heirs? LOL. SignatureReality-Is finding that perfect picture and never looking back. www.gregblankphoto.com According to Greg \"_\" <grey_egg@greg_photo.com>: > In article <SUrRg.23905$r61.7564@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, > "David J Taylor" > <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.not-this-bit.nor-this-part.uk> wrote: [ ... ] > > What evidence is there that CF is more durable, especially if you include > > the fragile multi-pin connector? I suspect that SD now provides [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > and provide a connection like FW800 or USB 2 (perhaps faster) that > allows very fast connection to the computer. And what happens if you need to take more shots before getting to your computer than the camera holds? Buy and carry a second body? It is fine if you are in a studio, with the computer near to hand, but out in the field -- especially on a long trip -- this could be a problem. And all flash media (CF, and SD cards included) have a limited number of write cycles, so what happens if you exceed the number of write cycles with your built-in (and thus not user changeable) media? Normally, this is not a problem, unless you try using the media as a replacement for a disk on a computer where there are frequent rewrites of certain areas -- such as swap space. And unix systems, at least, normally update the "last accessed" time on a file every time you read from it, so the "inode" area of a filesystem gets lots of read/write cycles. I guess that if you do a lot of burst mode shooting, you might exceed the read/write cycle limit before you want to upgrade the camera. Enjoy, DoN. SignatureEmail: <dnichols@d-and-d.com> | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- > One of the two points about the D80 that have prevented me rushing out to > 'upgrade' from the D70, is the size reduction - I have big hands. > > Secondly, why adopt sd cards for storage, compact flash is easier to > handle and more durable. I don't see how CF is any more durable than SD. Isn't there a controller of some type in a CF card? An SD is a simple flash memory card, seems to be very durable to me. I've had no problems with either. > I don't see how CF is any more durable than SD. Thickness, loose ability. SignatureReality-Is finding that perfect picture and never looking back. www.gregblankphoto.com > One of the two points about the D80 that have prevented me rushing out to > 'upgrade' from the D70, is the size reduction - I have big hands. > > Secondly, why adopt sd cards for storage, compact flash is easier to handle > and more durable. I bought my cell for thge same reason bigger buttons :) SignatureReality-Is finding that perfect picture and never looking back. www.gregblankphoto.com Why are you asking GOD? Did He reply? > The size of a D50??? Why? Do they anticipate more women than men > buying it? [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > shutter release. Dimensionally however the D80 is quite a bit smaller, > virtually the same size as the D50. > Why are you asking GOD? Did He reply? Being curious, why are you associating GOD with a human attribute such as gender? Second question: if GOD answered were you able the hear? SignatureReality-Is finding that perfect picture and never looking back. www.gregblankphoto.com >> Why are you asking GOD? Did He reply? > > Being curious, why are you associating GOD with a human attribute such > as gender? In the English language, he is also the impersonal pronoun. It's properly capitalized when referring to God, which shouldn't be all caps. Signaturelsmft >>> Why are you asking GOD? Did He reply? >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > In the English language, he is also the impersonal pronoun. It's properly > capitalized when referring to God, which shouldn't be all caps. Perhaps he is referring to Guaranteed Overnight Delivery, the freight service, 1-800-CALL-GOD, rather than the euphemism by which Christians and Jews refer to their deity whose true name one is not supposed to speak aloud? >>>> Why are you asking GOD? Did He reply? >>> Being curious, why are you associating GOD with a human attribute such as [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Jews refer to their deity whose true name one is not supposed to speak > aloud? Bingo! Allah be praised! I forgot about that GOD, and bless you a thousand times for recalling it. I mean, It. Signaturejohn mcwilliams On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:18:14 -0400, "Greg \"_\"" <grey_egg@greg_photo.com> wrote: >> Why are you asking GOD? Did He reply? > >Being curious, why are you associating GOD with a human attribute such >as gender? > >Second question: if GOD answered were you able the hear? Some say God is everywhere. That would include Usenet. -espen Signaturehttp://www.seland.org/ > The size of a D50??? Why? Do they anticipate more women than men > buying it? [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > shutter release. Dimensionally however the D80 is quite a bit smaller, > virtually the same size as the D50. Another bigger issue is the the change rom CF to sd (Suc D) cards fumble those with big man fingers !!!! Won't be buying the D80. SignatureReality-Is finding that perfect picture and never looking back. www.gregblankphoto.com > The size of a D50??? Why? Do they anticipate more women than men > buying it? [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > shutter release. Dimensionally however the D80 is quite a bit smaller, > virtually the same size as the D50. Funny thing. DPReview liked the smaller size, raved about the camera, and rated it "Highly Recommended." Their biggest gripe was the price. They thought the camera was worth that much more than its competition, but that the ignorant camera buying public might not see it that way. You know, you are batting 0 on this forum. Go away. > > The size of a D50??? Why? Do they anticipate more women than men > > buying it? [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > You know, you are batting 0 on this forum. Go away. The Canon 400 will probably clobber it when it comes out, if not for build then for image quality. But the only reason to own a runt camera is that you have tiny marsupial hands. > > > The size of a D50??? Why? Do they anticipate more women than men > > > buying it? [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > build then for image quality. But the only reason to own a runt camera > is that you have tiny marsupial hands. Better than a tiny reptilian brain. >> > > The size of a D50??? Why? Do they anticipate more women than men >> > > buying it? [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > >Better than a tiny reptilian brain. Of what possible value is a sub-sized DSLR? To save 100g in weight? BFD. To clutter the thing with buttons because there's no space? That's a given. Or, they'll bury all the functions in convoluted menus where people hate having them. > >> > > The size of a D50??? Why? Do they anticipate more women than men > >> > > buying it? [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > That's a given. Or, they'll bury all the functions in convoluted > menus where people hate having them. Well, that is the difference between a D80 and a D200. Not all cameras are created equal in size, utility, or price. |
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