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Photo Forum / Digital Photography / DSLR Cameras / September 2006Dear Potential D80 buyers
Realize that the camera you will be buying is a first class machine. My one word limited review so far is "awesome." Realize too that Nikon has pulled a switcheroo which, if you are in inveterate raw shooter, leaves you in limbo for the time being. The Adobe CS2 converter, alas no existing non-Nikon raw converter, does not support the raw format for the D80 and Adobe has no announcements on its web site and has not responded to my emails about when and if the CS2 raw converter will be upgraded. Doubtless Adobe will come to the rescue but it would be nice to know when. You are left with the free "Picture Project" converter, a piece of software equal to the engineering of the Nikon 55-200 zoom, or you can pony up another $150 for the somewhat better, but insanely overpiced for what it is ($150 is the cost of an entire Photoshop upgrade!), Capture NX. This information about the D80 raw format is not contained in any web preview/preview or any magazine review of the camera which says all one needs to know about those shills for the manufacturers. Therefore in order for me to be able to use the camera right now I have to tithe Nikon another $150 for software I will likely use only until Adobe gets its upgrade out. > Realize that the camera you will be buying is a first class machine. > My one word limited review so far is "awesome." [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > camera right now I have to tithe Nikon another $150 for software I > will likely use only until Adobe gets its upgrade out. Oh, for Christ's sake already give it a rest. You have a nice camera (D80) that you should be enjoying instead of whining about trivial bullshit. You were given alternate options to hold you over till the updated ACR is released. Now, wipe your tears and start shooting. Rita > Realize that the camera you will be buying is a first class machine. > My one word limited review so far is "awesome." [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > tithe Nikon another $150 for software I will likely use only until Adobe > gets its upgrade out. Why not download Silkypix? - it supports the D80 and is (imo) the best RAW developer bar none. There is a fully working 14 day trial with all features enabled (and their are some very useful features included), after which the programme reverts to free mode, which still offers all the main things you need if you don't fancy paying for it. Regards > Realize that the camera you will be buying is a first class machine. > My one word limited review so far is "awesome." [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > tithe Nikon another $150 for software I will likely use only until Adobe > gets its upgrade out. He whiner, can't you read? The ACR site clearly states: /******************************************************************/ Note: Adobe Camera Raw 3.6 development has been accelerated to accommodate recently announced cameras such as the Nikon D80 and the Canon EOS 400D / Digital Rebel Xti. The update will be provided this fall. /******************************************************************/ Ganesh > Realize that the camera you will be buying is a first class machine. > My one word limited review so far is "awesome." [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > what it is ($150 is the cost of an entire Photoshop upgrade!), Capture > NX.... It seems silly that they do not offer an update for Nikon Capture 4 - Not everyone wants to have to upgrade to Capture NX when Capture 4 has all they need. > It seems silly that they do not offer an update for Nikon Capture > 4 - Not everyone wants to have to upgrade to Capture NX when Capture > 4 has all they need. You have to realize that Nikon had the software changed quite a lot to make it do what they wanted/needed. NX is where future software code will continue to be developed. Having said that, I agree that too often companies force users to upgrade to whole new products, usually at a significant cost, in order to use their current hardware/software without offering a free plugin or upgrade for what they already bought and use. I'm guessing the D80 raw file format is the same as the D200, but the software needs to know about the new file data in order to read it. If it is the same, the Capture programmers could make an update file available in a matter of minutes. > It seems silly that they do not offer an update for Nikon Capture 4 - Not > everyone wants to have to upgrade to Capture NX when Capture 4 has all they > need. Actually, the latest update, Capture 4.4.2 (dated 9/19/06), says it has RAW converters for the ver 2.0 of the D2x firmware which has not even been released yet. >> It seems silly that they do not offer an update for Nikon Capture >> 4 - Not [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > even > been released yet. Hey look at that...a newer version. It doesn't mention new support for the D80 though. But at least they're updating it, so perhaps they'll make a v4.4.3 to cover the D80. I've now got three progs converting D80 files - Capture One Pro/LE has been updated today to version 3.7.5 which handles them, Silkypix's latest version manages, and Capture NX from Nikon (very non-standard GUI) does. No plug-in for Photoshop from Nikon, and no update for the existing plug-in - that's really not playing the game. David >I've now got three progs converting D80 files - Capture One Pro/LE has >been updated today to version 3.7.5 which handles them, Silkypix's [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >No plug-in for Photoshop from Nikon, and no update for the existing >plug-in - that's really not playing the game. Fwiw, I saw DCRAW now says it supports the D80 as well.  SignatureEd Ruf (Usenet2@EdwardG.Ruf.com) http://edwardgruf.com/Digital_Photography/General/index.html > Actually, the latest update, Capture 4.4.2 (dated 9/19/06), says it has > RAW converters for the ver 2.0 of the D2x firmware which has not even > been released yet. It's good to see that Capture 4 is still being updated. -Adrian www.boliston.com >Realize too that Nikon has pulled a switcheroo which, if you are in >inveterate raw shooter, leaves you in limbo for the time being. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >converter will be upgraded. Doubtless Adobe will come to the rescue but it >would be nice to know when. Would you like some cheese with that whine? Read the link I've in r.pd.and here, since you're too wrapped up whining to look at the Adobe ACR page for yourself. >This information about the D80 raw format is not contained in any web >preview/preview or any magazine review of the camera which says all one >needs to know about those shills for the manufacturers. I guess logic escapes you. I'll lay it out. First Nikon consumer dslr was the D100, what previous Nikon dslr was it's NEF format compatible with? Next came the D70. Again, what previous Nikon dslr was it's NEF format compatible with? Next came the D200. Again, what previous Nikon dslr was it's NEF format compatible with? Next came the D50. Again, what previous Nikon dslr was it's NEF format compatible with? See any pattern yet? SignatureEd Ruf (Usenet2@EdwardG.Ruf.com) http://edwardgruf.com/Digital_Photography/General/index.html > Realize that the camera you will be buying is a first class machine. > My one word limited review so far is "awesome." > Realize too that Nikon has pulled a switcheroo which, if you are in > inveterate raw shooter, leaves you in limbo for the time being. Which happens with any and all new cameras, including Canon, Nikon, Sony, etc. You have to wait for the software companies to play catch-up because they may not have had much (if any) advance notice of the new model. No big deal... > This information about the D80 raw format is not contained in any > web preview/preview or any magazine review of the camera which says > all one needs to know about those shills for the manufacturers. Nothing new...happens every time. > Therefore in order for me to be able to use the camera right now I > have to tithe Nikon another $150 for software I will likely use only > until Adobe gets its upgrade out. Or you can <hush...wait for it>... . . . . . . ...use JPG. OMG! What a concept...using JPG for a few weeks. Oh the horror...what would my daddy say about that. Nutin. >> Realize that the camera you will be buying is a first class machine. >> My one word limited review so far is "awesome." [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Nutin. Or DNG if your new camera supports it, my new one will. >>Realize that the camera you will be buying is a first class machine. >>My one word limited review so far is "awesome." [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > catch-up because they may not have had much (if any) advance notice of > the new model. It's hard to reconcile the failure of Adobe to get the D80 conversion into release 3.5 when the Sony Alpha 100 was supported - in beta but apparently with total success - in release 3.4 a few weeks BEFORE the first cameras appeared. We now have release 3.5 which officially supports the Alpha, and I can detect no difference at all between this and 3.4, but have not yet come across any of the 'can't open' files (about one or two per card) which 3.4 suffered from. What can be so complex about the Nikon raw file compared to Sony's compressed, proprietary readout order (strings of RRRRRRRR, BBBBBBBBB, GGGGGGGGG, BBBBBBBBBB in full sensor line extent - not RGBG Bayer order data at all)? David > It's hard to reconcile the failure of Adobe to get the D80 conversion > into release 3.5 when the Sony Alpha 100 was supported - in beta but > apparently with total success - in release 3.4 a few weeks BEFORE the > first cameras appeared. Maybe they had a pre-release model of the camera. SignatureJeremy | jeremy@exit109.com >> It's hard to reconcile the failure of Adobe to get the D80 >> conversion [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Maybe they had a pre-release model of the camera. That's what I was thinking...Nikon was pretty closed-lip about the D80 prior to it's official announcement and it's plausible to presume they didn't want Adobe or anyone else spilling the beans. > Realize that the camera you will be buying is a first class machine. > My one word limited review so far is "awesome." [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > tithe Nikon another $150 for software I will likely use only until Adobe > gets its upgrade out. Well lets see, bibble 4.9 supports the D80: http://www.bibblelabs.com/ David Coffin's dcraw now supports the D80 (and dcraw is available in source form, and is used as the basis for some of the raw processing software out there): http://www.cybercom.net/~dcoffin/dcraw/ SignatureMichael Meissner email: mrmnews@the-meissners.org http://www.the-meissners.org |
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