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Telephoto lens choice for Sony A100?

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Pete Kendrick - 17 Sep 2006 15:03 GMT
I'm looking to buy a telephoto for my Sony Alpha 100 which I've just bought
(first DSLR so this is all new to me).

Should I go with the Sony AF 75-300mm or the Sigma 70-300mm which I think is
also available?

Or is there a better choices at around the same price?

Cheers.

Pete
Alan Browne - 17 Sep 2006 15:09 GMT
> I'm looking to buy a telephoto for my Sony Alpha 100 which I've just bought
> (first DSLR so this is all new to me).
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>
> Or is there a better choices at around the same price?

I had the Minolta 75-300 (and the Sony is optically the same, I
believe).  It was sharp and contrasty through about 200mm, after that a
bit on the soft side.

Sold it long ago.

As all this is new to you, be advised that the rule of thumb for sharp
zooms is a zoom ratio not greater than about 2.5:1.  The lens you're
considering is 4:1.

Consider 2 lenses rather than 1.

Cheers,
Alan

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Pete Kendrick - 17 Sep 2006 21:37 GMT
Thanks for the advice. I'm not quite sure what you mean by the zoom ratio.
Is there a website which offers an explanation?

Would the Sony AF 18-200mm be a better (and more expensive) option? And
would it make my current lens (18 - 70mm) redundant?

Cheers!

Pete

>> I'm looking to buy a telephoto for my Sony Alpha 100 which I've just
>> bought (first DSLR so this is all new to me).
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> Cheers,
> Alan
Noel Stoutenburg - 18 Sep 2006 01:13 GMT
> Thanks for the advice. I'm not quite sure what you mean by the zoom ratio.
> Is there a website which offers an explanation?

I don't mean to pretend to be Alan Browne, but the zoom ration is
determined by dividing the smaller number into the larger one.  In the
case of the camera you are considering, 75 divided into 300 goes 4
times, so the zoom ration is 4 to 1; if you accept the 2.5 to 1 that
Alan cites as the recommended maximum zoom ratio, multiply the smaller
number by 2.5, which in this case is 187.5, or very close to 200.

> Would the Sony AF 18-200mm be a better (and more expensive) option? And
> would it make my current lens (18 - 70mm) redundant?

Note that the Sony 18-200 has a zoom ratio of 10 to 1.

ns
Fred McKenzie - 18 Sep 2006 01:35 GMT
> Thanks for the advice. I'm not quite sure what you mean by the zoom ratio.
> Is there a website which offers an explanation?
>
> Would the Sony AF 18-200mm be a better (and more expensive) option? And
> would it make my current lens (18 - 70mm) redundant?

Pete-

Zoom ratio is like 18-70 (3.9 to 1) or 18-200 (11.1 to 1).  Which is
better depends on your definition of better.

A lens with a lower ratio, say 35-70 (2 to 1) may be sharper, if all other
factors were equal.  However 2 to 1 is not much of a zoom.  Higher ratios
require more compromise in lens design, but you may be willing to accept
that if you need the higher zoom range.

Early Sony lenses are likely to be identical to existing Minolta designs,
just re-branded.  You might also look for used Minolta Maxxum or Dynax
lenses.  I would expect them to be of higher quality than Sigma,
especially at higher ratios.

I have a Minolta 70-210 f/4 lens in my collection that makes a nice
addition to the 18-70 kit lens.  I purchased it used several years ago for
use with a film camera, and it works well with the Sony Alpha.

Fred
bmoag - 17 Sep 2006 23:41 GMT
If you are new to SLR photography you will get more use and enjoyment out of
the 18-200 then you will out of lugging around a second lens in the 70-200
range when you want to have telephoto capability.
Unless you buy top end glass there is not a lot to distinguish the lenses
from different manufacturers in the middle of the price range.
I do not know about the Sony 18-200, which I presume is a new lens for that
mount.
I have used a variety of the 18-200 lenses out there for dSLRs and for
general use these are very good lenses, much better than the old 28-200
lenses for 35mm SLRs and equal to or much better than most moderate cost
70-200 zooms in that focal length range. At the wide end they have more
barrel distortion (easily correctable in Photoshop) than your kit lens,
which you should use unless you need the long end of the zoom.
If you learn how to use Photoshop and do not plan to routinely make16 x20
inch prints the dirty little truth is that absolute lens quality does not
mean what it did in a world of film based images that received more or less
straight printing from a negative or transparency.
In a digital world where all images receive software sharpening how does one
know what one is seeing in a print?
BobF@nonono.com - 18 Sep 2006 01:47 GMT
>I'm looking to buy a telephoto for my Sony Alpha 100 which I've just bought
>(first DSLR so this is all new to me).
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>
>Pete

It all depends on your use...  I have the Sony 18-200 which I use as an all
purpose 'walking around' lens, one advantage is I never have to change lenses so
I avoid dust... I carry this camera everywhere to take snapshots...   If I
wanted to take more 'serious' photos I would use a prime lens, (no zoom) but I
have a Nikon to do that with. I have a 24mm F1.8, and a 50mm F1.8. I don't have
a prime telephoto since I haven't decided on which one yet... but around 200 or
300 would be good. Tripods are required for a larger lens.

Ask yourself what you want to shoot, first... and what quality you want.
Bill - 18 Sep 2006 02:31 GMT
> It all depends on your use...  I have the Sony 18-200 which I use as
> an all
> purpose 'walking around' lens, one advantage is I never have to
> change lenses so
> I avoid dust...

Avoid dust?

Hmm...the lense isn't sealed and zooming has a tendency to "pump" air
in and out. How is that better? And the amount of dust that gets
inside when changing lenses in an average environment is negligible
anyway. I'd have to say you're really no further ahead.

I mean c'mon, look inside your camera and tell me how the dust gets on
the sensor when the shutter is open only ~0.00001% of the time the
camera is actually in use? It's not like the sensor is exposed all the
time.

This "dust scare" being marketed by companies is almost as bad as the
twits in homeland security saying there's going to be a terrorist
attact. They don't know where or when or who or how, but as long as
they say it'll happen, everyone feels much safer being told that they
don't really know what they say they know.

> wanted to take more 'serious' photos I would use a prime lens, (no
> zoom)

What's wrong with zooms?

I have one here beside me that I would have no issues putting up
against primes in the same focal range.

Granted primes are great optically...but I'd rather carry a 70-200
zoom that will cover a lot more for me than a 100 or 200mm prime that
is more limited. The very slight difference in optical quality (not
visible in most cases) is well worth the trade off in convenience.

Just my opinion though.
David J Taylor - 18 Sep 2006 07:53 GMT
[]
> What's wrong with zooms?

Small maximum aperture, sometimes as small as f/5.6, compared to the f/1.8
prime lenses which BobF mentioned.  Makes a considerable difference to
light capture, ease of focus, ease of viewing, bokeh etc.

David
Bill - 18 Sep 2006 09:04 GMT
>[]
>> What's wrong with zooms?
>
>Small maximum aperture, sometimes as small as f/5.6, compared to the f/1.8
>prime lenses which BobF mentioned.  Makes a considerable difference to
>light capture, ease of focus, ease of viewing, bokeh etc.

And who said we had to use crappy zooms?

My lenses happen to be f/4, but a friend of mine has mostly f/2.8 zooms,
and in my experience, the f/1.8 lenses pretty much suck wide open and
only match the 2.8 versions stopped down, so why bother?

For the viewfinder brightness, I agree. But most of the rest is hype.

Nobody in their right mind shoots an f/1.8 or better wide open unless
they really need the tight DOF or they're working in ultra low light and
are willing to sacrifice sharpness and distortion to get the shot.

By the way, I happen to have an f/1.8 50mm.
Pete Kendrick - 18 Sep 2006 20:50 GMT
Thanks for the advice, everyone!!

I think, perhaps, as suggested by BobF I may go for a general 'walking
around' lens such as the Sony 18-200mm. And as I'm going to start evening
classes next week on using Photoshop (fantastic, I'm a student again at
38!!) I'm sure I'll figure out how to correct any barrel distortion.

Sometime in the future I'm sure (finance permitting, I've only just bought
the Sony Alpha and all the relevant gubbins) I'll want to broaden my
expertise by buying specific lenses for specific jobs.

Thanks again.

Pete

>>[]
>>> What's wrong with zooms?
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>
> By the way, I happen to have an f/1.8 50mm.
BobF@nonono.com - 19 Sep 2006 00:40 GMT
>> It all depends on your use...  I have the Sony 18-200 which I use as
>> an all
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>Hmm...the lense isn't sealed and zooming has a tendency to "pump" air
>in and out. How is that better?

Are you kidding?? Not sealed? As in "open camera sitting on a table" ??  Wow
you're really pushing the sh.t!  How about a 10 second exposure on a telescope?
Ever seen the dust bunny's that fall out of telescopes?

> And the amount of dust that gets
>inside when changing lenses in an average environment is negligible
>anyway. I'd have to say you're really no further ahead.

I returned the first Nikon I bought because there was already 2 dust spots on
the sensor, and I wanted a clean new camera. The Nikon I now have, 2 1/2 years
old, has had lots of dust, which I blow off. There are a few small pieces
left... one was quite large, not even Adobe would eliminate it.

>I mean c'mon, look inside your camera and tell me how the dust gets on
>the sensor when the shutter is open only ~0.00001% of the time the
>camera is actually in use? It's not like the sensor is exposed all the
>time.

So no DSLR sensor's have any dust? Are you retarded?

>This "dust scare" being marketed by companies is almost as bad as the
>twits in homeland security saying there's going to be a terrorist
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>
>What's wrong with zooms?

They are generally cheap and have poor light gathering ability. To get the same
F number in a zoom that is found in a $400 prime, you would need to spend maybe
$5000, which the OP isn't likely to do. Nor I since I haven't yet spent $2k on
Nikon lenses and have almost all I need.

>I have one here beside me that I would have no issues putting up
>against primes in the same focal range.
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>is more limited. The very slight difference in optical quality (not
>visible in most cases) is well worth the trade off in convenience.

apples and oranges...

>Just my opinion though.

sure is...
David Kilpatrick - 19 Sep 2006 12:32 GMT
> I'm looking to buy a telephoto for my Sony Alpha 100 which I've just bought
> (first DSLR so this is all new to me).
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Or is there a better choices at around the same price?

Quite a few Konica Minolta 75-300mm (D) lenses have been around from
prices around £49.50 upwards, new, remaindered stock. They may all have
gone but getting one for around £99 as opposed to the £150+ you are
likely to pay for the Sony version (very slightly improved in terms of
feel and probably better quality control overall) would be worth the
difference.

To go with your 18-70mm, this is a good choice. It is light, relatively
small and really adds fresh tele range with no overlap. It shares the
same 55m filter thread, for UV or polarisers. Overall peformance is
surprisingly good for a cheap lens, but it's best to stop down one stop
- f6.3 to f 8 is a sensible working setting.

The Sigma - the real question here is 'which Sigma?'. The cheapest Sigma
is not likely to outperform the Song/Konica Minolta, while the more
expensive APO labelled version(s) will probably be better. Sony has
temporarily discontinued the former Minolta/Konica Minolta 100-300mm
f4.5-5.6 APO (D) lens, which is or was the best possible choice for
digital bodies - more compact still and very sharp, but twice the price.
They may be reintroducing it, everyone hopes with a faster focus
mechanism or even perhaps an ultrasonic focus motor. This is the only
reason anyone can think of as to why it has been dropped, and only the
cheap 75-300mm remains in the line-up as a basic tele zoom.

So my answer would be - if you can afford a Sigma APO variant, get it;
if not, save your money, find a cheap final stock or used Minolta/KonMin
75-300mm (D) and survive with that until Sony introduce further lenses -
or begins to drop the price of the initial models.

David
Pete Kendrick - 19 Sep 2006 19:53 GMT
Thanks again everyone for the advice. I can see this is going to be a useful
place to visit.

Cheers.

Pete

>> I'm looking to buy a telephoto for my Sony Alpha 100 which I've just
>> bought (first DSLR so this is all new to me).
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>
> David
 
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