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Photo Forum / Digital Photography / DSLR Cameras / September 2006D80. Better images, lower noise than D200
At least according to one owner on dpreview. If this is the case, how hard would it be for Nikon to upgrade existing D200s and change the design on the camera itself? >At least according to one owner on dpreview. If this is the case, how >hard would it be for Nikon to upgrade existing D200s and change the >design on the camera itself? So if just one opinion in this group is you're an idiot for such posts and should just disappear or at least stop posting such drivel, will you graciously follow suit? -- Ed Ruf (Usenet2@EdwardG.Ruf.com) http://edwardgruf.com/Digital_Photography/General/index.html > >At least according to one owner on dpreview. If this is the case, how > >hard would it be for Nikon to upgrade existing D200s and change the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Ed Ruf (Usenet2@EdwardG.Ruf.com) > http://edwardgruf.com/Digital_Photography/General/index.html D200 owner. Noted. >> >At least according to one owner on dpreview. If this is the case, how >> >hard would it be for Nikon to upgrade existing D200s and change the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> should just disappear or at least stop posting such drivel, will you >> graciously follow suit? >D200 owner. Noted. Idiot OP. Noted. I can achieve the same "quality" images with the D200 if I care too with software. I prefer not to have such aggressive in camera AA and noise filtering. But then you wouldn't understand that. By you reckoning I should also throw away my D70/5700/900 and Casio Z-750 all which I still use as well because of their plastic bodies.  SignatureEd Ruf (Usenet2@EdwardG.Ruf.com) http://edwardgruf.com/Digital_Photography/General/index.html >>> >At least according to one owner on dpreview. If this is the case, how >>> >hard would it be for Nikon to upgrade existing D200s and change the [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >also throw away my D70/5700/900 and Casio Z-750 all which I still use as >well because of their plastic bodies. Why do you losers get so defensive over an opinion?. The observation about the cameras was made by a person on dpreview who happens to own both the D200 and the D80. I'd say that gives them some claim to being able to offer an opinion. If it rubs you the wrong way, for whatever weird reason, tough. >>>>>At least according to one owner on dpreview. If this is the case, how >>>>>hard would it be for Nikon to upgrade existing D200s and change the [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > some claim to being able to offer an opinion. If it rubs you the > wrong way, for whatever weird reason, tough. Actually, I can easily find quotes from the forums of DPReview that changing the WB in Nikon cameras affects the raw data (despite the fact that a 3 minute test will show that this is not so). I can also find quotes that a D2H (4mp) will produce better 20x30 (inches) prints than a D200. Better means with more detail, according to the person saying it. And so on. I would not pay much attention to what people agree is true in the dpreview forums. As for the noise of the D200/D80, their pixels have the same size, so any difference in noise will be due to differences in a) readout noise (rather unlikely, and would affect only shadows), or b) different noise reduction for jpegs or noise filtering for raw. I would bet it is (b), and would also be very surprised if it was not possible to attain the same results with the D200 by suitable postprocessing. In other words, I do not see how it can be the sensor that makes the difference. Anyway, I own a D200 also, if you want to ignore what I say because of that. > As for the noise of the D200/D80, their pixels have the same size, > so any difference in noise will be due to differences in a) readout [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > postprocessing. In other words, I do not see how it can be the > sensor that makes the difference. The sensors are not identical, although they are similar. Yet those differences can be partially attributed to the noise charateristics of the camera. And don't forget that the AA filter over the sensor can also make a difference. I haven't found confirmation yet, but it seems the filter for the D80 is different based on resolution and sharpness comparisons. >>As for the noise of the D200/D80, their pixels have the same size, >>so any difference in noise will be due to differences in a) readout [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > differences can be partially attributed to the noise charateristics of > the camera. You mean the noise characteristics can be attributed etc. Well, as I say above, the pixel size is the same, so any difference would be in readout noise etc. Even in scientific CCDs readout noise is more or less the same as what Roger has measured for the D200, and I imagine other recent DSLRs (I ignore the Canons here). And even if there was less readout noise, the difference would obviously only be at low signals. So I can't believe it is the sensor that makes the difference. Feel free to disagree, of course. > And don't forget that the AA filter over the sensor can also make a > difference. I haven't found confirmation yet, but it seems the filter > for the D80 is different based on resolution and sharpness > comparisons. I can't see how a low pass filter can affect noise any more than whether the photograph is out of focus or not (or blurred). > At least according to one owner on dpreview. If this is the case, how > hard would it be for Nikon to upgrade existing D200s and change the > design on the camera itself? Here is an extensive noise analysis of the D200: The Nikon D200 Digital Camera: Sensor Noise, Dynamic Range, and Full Well Analysis http://www.clarkvision.com/imagedetail/evaluation-nikon-d200 The D80 has the same pixel pitch, so there probably isn't that much difference. But I would like to evaluate a D80 too. Roger > > At least according to one owner on dpreview. If this is the case, how > > hard would it be for Nikon to upgrade existing D200s and change the > > design on the camera itself? > > > Here is an extensive noise analysis of the D200: Not a particularly impressive performance, was it? |
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