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jean - 13 Sep 2006 19:04 GMT
I have looked at the Pentax DSLR line and I see a number of bodies (ist...)
but the choice of lenses seem very limited with little or no professional
lenses.  I want to know if it is worth it buying a DSLR for someone who has
only a couple of lenses (one Sigma short zoom and the other the 75-300
Pentax zoom).  None of the lenses look like they would be a factor in a
decision to stay with Pentax.

Stay with Pentax or go for one of the big two?

Jean
John Francis - 13 Sep 2006 19:58 GMT
>I have looked at the Pentax DSLR line and I see a number of bodies (ist...)
>but the choice of lenses seem very limited with little or no professional
>lenses.

What's a professional lens?   If you mean "must have USM", then there
are no Pentax lenses with that at present (although the 16-50/f2.8 and
the 50-135/f2.8 due out later this year are expected to introduce it).
If, however, you just mean "must have good-quality glass", then Pentax
have more than enough.  Apart from the two lenses mentioned above,
there are the "Limited" lenses (the older FA 31mm, 43mm and 77mm, and
the newer DA 21mm and 70mm), the DA 14mm, the 16-45, and don't forget
the old FA 28-70/f2.8, 80-200/f2.8, 250-600/f5.6 & the 200mm & 300mm
f2.8 lenses, any one of which is optically up to any competitors.
Next year we also expect to see a 60-250/f4, a new 200, and a 300/4

You also seem to have missed the announcement of the new K10D body.
jean - 13 Sep 2006 21:51 GMT
I did not want to slam the product, I looked at B&H and Adorama and saw only
a few lenses on the first site and more on the second but nothing past 300mm
by Pentax.  Reading more I found the Pentax line to be quite good.  I did
read about the K10D and the built in IS is a strong selling point.

Jean

> >I have looked at the Pentax DSLR line and I see a number of bodies (ist...)
> >but the choice of lenses seem very limited with little or no professional
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>
> You also seem to have missed the announcement of the new K10D body.
Paul Mitchum - 13 Sep 2006 19:59 GMT
> I have looked at the Pentax DSLR line and I see a number of bodies (ist...)
> but the choice of lenses seem very limited with little or no professional
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>
> Stay with Pentax or go for one of the big two?

It. All. Depends. :-)

You can't look at Pentax lenses the way you look at other ones. Their
marketing is different from Canon and Nikon. The Limiteds and green
stars are very excellent, and most of the rest are very good. Whether
they're 'professional' or not depends on how you end up using them, not
how they're marketed. If you really want to go pro, you might look at
the full-frame offerings from Nikon and Canon, and then when the sticker
shock wears off, you can consider the Pentax again. :-)
jean - 13 Sep 2006 21:55 GMT
Indeed, the price of Pentax cameras is lower than the big two, another
factor leading one to beleive they are dumping the product.  Anyway, I
looked deeper and the new K10D has features the big two do not have, so it
could be a camera to consider.

Jean

> > I have looked at the Pentax DSLR line and I see a number of bodies (ist...)
> > but the choice of lenses seem very limited with little or no professional
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> the full-frame offerings from Nikon and Canon, and then when the sticker
> shock wears off, you can consider the Pentax again. :-)
Paul Mitchum - 13 Sep 2006 22:03 GMT
> Indeed, the price of Pentax cameras is lower than the big two, another
> factor leading one to beleive they are dumping the product.  Anyway, I
> looked deeper and the new K10D has features the big two do not have, so it
> could be a camera to consider.

Not 'dumping the product' but getting you hooked on the lens line. The
camera's cheap, the lenses aren't as cheap as they could be, but they're
generally very good.

That's the game with all the SLR makers. They want you to get invested
in their product line to the exclusion of others.

> > > I have looked at the Pentax DSLR line and I see a number of bodies
> (ist...)
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> > the full-frame offerings from Nikon and Canon, and then when the sticker
> > shock wears off, you can consider the Pentax again. :-)

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jean - 14 Sep 2006 03:52 GMT
A Sigma camera body is less expensive than a Canon or Nikon, but I would not
want to buy a Sigma based solely on saving a few $ on the body when I know
for sure the lens line is somewhat limited and (to me) less of a quality
offering than either Canon or Nikon.

Jean

> > Indeed, the price of Pentax cameras is lower than the big two, another
> > factor leading one to beleive they are dumping the product.  Anyway, I
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> > > the full-frame offerings from Nikon and Canon, and then when the sticker
> > > shock wears off, you can consider the Pentax again. :-)
AaronW - 15 Sep 2006 17:53 GMT
> > Indeed, the price of Pentax cameras is lower than the big two, another
> > factor leading one to beleive they are dumping the product.  Anyway, I
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> That's the game with all the SLR makers. They want you to get invested
> in their product line to the exclusion of others.

This is a problem when Pentax does not have a market. They should price
their lenses and accessories competitively, to get a large enough
market.

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Paul Mitchum - 15 Sep 2006 20:28 GMT
> > > Indeed, the price of Pentax cameras is lower than the big two, another
> > > factor leading one to beleive they are dumping the product.  Anyway, I
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> their lenses and accessories competitively, to get a large enough
> market.

They actually *do* have a market. It's just not as huge as the others'.

Pentax seems OK with that.
Pete D - 15 Sep 2006 21:29 GMT
>> > > Indeed, the price of Pentax cameras is lower than the big two,
>> > > another
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>
> Pentax seems OK with that.

Their cameras are certainly priced very competitively, perhaps the lenses
and accessories will come down soon?
Paul Mitchum - 15 Sep 2006 22:53 GMT
[..]
> >> > That's the game with all the SLR makers. They want you to get
> >> > invested in their product line to the exclusion of others.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Their cameras are certainly priced very competitively, perhaps the lenses
> and accessories will come down soon?

I doubt it. It's the old thing: You give away the razor but sell the
blades.

Also: The expensive Pentax lenses are worth it, if you need them. The
older Pentax lenses retain their value and usefulness, too.
Pete D - 15 Sep 2006 23:57 GMT
> [..]
>> >> > That's the game with all the SLR makers. They want you to get
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> Also: The expensive Pentax lenses are worth it, if you need them. The
> older Pentax lenses retain their value and usefulness, too.

Very true, perhaps they could just drop for a while so I can stock up a bit.
;-)

I think many people buy a lot more lenses than they really need, just
because they can.
Paul Mitchum - 16 Sep 2006 01:05 GMT
> > [..]
> >> >> > That's the game with all the SLR makers. They want you to get
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> Very true, perhaps they could just drop for a while so I can stock up a
> bit. ;-)

Well, it's the case that Pentax has a rebate program going on, for some
of their lenses. The end result isn't much of a savings, but it's there.

> I think many people buy a lot more lenses than they really need, just
> because they can.

That's how the DSLR market stays alive.
AaronW - 16 Sep 2006 02:37 GMT
> > >> > That's the game with all the SLR makers. They want you to get
> > >> > invested in their product line to the exclusion of others.
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> I doubt it. It's the old thing: You give away the razor but sell the
> blades.

But Canon and Nikon are in this game, too. They also make money on
lenses. Yet their lenses are priced much more competitively than
Pentax. If Pentax lenses and accessories are priced similar to Canon,
then I might switch from Canon to Pentax, or Sony, for anti-shake.
Otherwise, I might as well pay for IS in several lenses, and stay with
Canon.

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Paul Mitchum - 16 Sep 2006 02:47 GMT
[..]
> > > Their cameras are certainly priced very competitively, perhaps the
> > > lenses and accessories will come down soon?
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> from Canon to Pentax, or Sony, for anti-shake. Otherwise, I might as well
> pay for IS in several lenses, and stay with Canon.

Then go right ahead.

I can't get into second-guessing Pentax. It just seems to me that their
lenses are worth buying, and if you're in for a penny you're in for a
pound. The low cost of the body adds to its initial attractiveness.

I'd love to be able to buy a 31/1.7 Limited for $50, but it ain't
happening. I'll save my sheckels for the A* 400/2.8. :-)
AaronW - 16 Sep 2006 03:07 GMT
> > > > Their cameras are certainly priced very competitively, perhaps the
> > > > lenses and accessories will come down soon?
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> I'd love to be able to buy a 31/1.7 Limited for $50, but it ain't
> happening.

I did not suggest any ridiculous pricing.

Too greedy is bad for business, especially in the digital age. Digital
technology is advancing very fast. People upgrade digital cameras much
more frequently. So it is very good business to attract people in with
both camera and lenses priced competitively, and lock them in for
frequent future upgrades.

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Paul Mitchum - 16 Sep 2006 03:53 GMT
> > > > > Their cameras are certainly priced very competitively, perhaps the
> > > > > lenses and accessories will come down soon?
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>
> I did not suggest any ridiculous pricing.

The question is: Are the lenses worth it? I happen to think they are.
They're actually a good *value,* even if they might be more expensive
initially. If they were dirt cheap, then there'd be no question at all.

> Too greedy is bad for business, especially in the digital age. Digital
> technology is advancing very fast. People upgrade digital cameras much
> more frequently. [..]

A search on amazon.com shows me that I could buy a 6mp Pentax Optio for
less than $250. If you're Pentax, you can take that Optio, remove the
lens, add a K-mount, and you've created a camera that can use *any*
Pentax lens from the past 30 years. You could sell it for, like, $150.
In fact, it'd be really great if they did that. Total commodity bodies.
Scarcely bigger than the mount itself, just enough space for some AA
batteries, an SD card, and LCD screen (the shutter would be like a
point-and-shoot, and it would lack a viewfinder). I'd buy a dozen! Slap
'em on my lenses instead of lens caps. 6 megapixel lens caps.

Anyway...<g> The real workhorse is the lens. The body is a commodity
which supports the lens. The body is what people are upgrading more
frequently, and they do it so they have a better way to take pictures
with the lenses they already have.
AaronW - 20 Sep 2006 06:59 GMT
Is there any Pentax site that has lens MTF?

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AaronW - 16 Sep 2006 02:27 GMT
> > > > Indeed, the price of Pentax cameras is lower than the big two, another
> > > > factor leading one to beleive they are dumping the product.  Anyway, I
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>
> Pentax seems OK with that.

Minolta had a larger market, but quit. I hope Pentax stays.

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Paul Mitchum - 16 Sep 2006 02:34 GMT
[..]
> > > This is a problem when Pentax does not have a market. They should
> > > price their lenses and accessories competitively, to get a large
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>
> Minolta had a larger market, but quit. [..]

One could argue that the Minolta market is now the Sony market. Which is
a pretty good deal for both, I'd say.
jeremy - 16 Sep 2006 04:43 GMT
"AaronW" <bj286@scn.org> wrote in message >

> Minolta had a larger market, but quit. I hope Pentax stays.

The future of digital cameras may lie with the Sonys, Panasonics, Casios and
HPs.  Pentax made very nice analog gear, but they are not known for their
expertise in electronics.  If the current Pentax DSLR line was marketed
under some other name, would there be any real interest, or would buyers
stick with Nikon and Canon?

Pentax seems to be trading on its past glory, and that can go only so far.
For one thing, many of today's buyers don't remember the Spotmatic days.
Heck, a lot of them don't remember the MX/LX days.
Pete D - 16 Sep 2006 05:00 GMT
> "AaronW" <bj286@scn.org> wrote in message >
>
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> For one thing, many of today's buyers don't remember the Spotmatic days.
> Heck, a lot of them don't remember the MX/LX days.

I still shoot with a KM and an MV-1 and an MZ-50 and a DS and I am still
getting a K10D.
jeremy - 16 Sep 2006 16:36 GMT
"Pete D" <no@email.com> wrote in message
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> I still shoot with a KM and an MV-1 and an MZ-50 and a DS and I am still
> getting a K10D.

Sure there will be exceptions to the broad trends, but Pentax does not
command the attention of the buying public as does Canon or Nikon.

Lots of people would not even put Pentax on their short list of digital
vendors, myself included.

I think that Pentax disqualified themselves from consideration as a serious
manufacturer was when they withdrew the LX from their lineup without
replacing it.  Pentax has offered MF as their upgrade from 35mm, and that
has always been a valid approach to photography.  I'm sure that a 6x7 would
outperform an F6 any day.  But Pentax essentially abandoned those
photographers that wanted to do professional work yet remain with 35mm.
Nikon and Canon  (and Contax and Leica) all produced professional lines of
bodies and lenses that covered just about every professional requirement.
Pentax did not.

Even now, their FA-Limited lenses can hardly be considered a complete line.
There were only three of them for film and now there are two of them for
digital use.  They are more like specialty items, not a full lineup.

I wish you the best with your upcoming Pentax purchase, but I do not believe
that the sales figures for Pentax will be competitive with Canon or Nikon.
Paul Mitchum - 16 Sep 2006 17:55 GMT
> Even now, their FA-Limited lenses can hardly be considered a complete line.
> There were only three of them for film and now there are two of them for
> digital use.  They are more like specialty items, not a full lineup.

So you're saying that Pentax sucks because they only have a handful of
*exceptional* lenses to go along with their normal line of *excellent*
ones.
Pete D - 16 Sep 2006 22:28 GMT
>> Even now, their FA-Limited lenses can hardly be considered a complete
>> line.
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> *exceptional* lenses to go along with their normal line of *excellent*
> ones.

I am still thinking that the K10D will gain many new followers as long as
the camera lives up to the brochure, it looks to be one hell of a package.

As far as the lenses go I think many buyers do not have a long list of
lenses that they need, indeed you can buy a K100D with a 18-200mm Sigma lens
(not the best package around but a good compromise that will be good enough
for a lot of people. With reasonable quality zooms being available from at
least four manufacturers that are certainly "good enough" and with a couple
of the lens manufacturers offering some very good and a few excellent lenses
I think the Pentax buy is well enough served. With a 12MP "Pro" camera
expected in 2007 I think that Pentax will increase their market share enough
to stay viable.

I know of a person that did have a preproduction K10D and the list of
superlatives he used was very long. Build quality was the best of any camera
he had ever seen, jpeg results were just stunning, support for DNG from the
camera is awesome, the SR system worked particularly well, 3fps till your
card is full, ergonomics were exceptional (it just felt right).
jeremy - 17 Sep 2006 01:26 GMT
>> Even now, their FA-Limited lenses can hardly be considered a complete
>> line.
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> *exceptional* lenses to go along with their normal line of *excellent*
> ones.

I did not say that Pentax "sucks."  I am a long-time Pentax aficionado, and
I derive no satisfaction from watching as they are sidelined by their
competition.

They do not have as complete a lineup as do Nikon and Canon.  They exited
the pro 35 market a decade ago, with the withdrawal of the LX.  Even their
biggest boosters are often at a loss to explain their marketing plans.  They
have gone from a leader to an also-ran.

I am grateful that I have so many of their excellent film cameras and
lenses, but I have no plans to commit my buying dollars to Pentax if and
when I add a DSLR.  They have made no mark for themselves in the digital
domain.  I would not be surprised if they became the next Minolta.

The digital photo business is being invaded by companies not known for
photographic excellence back in the film days--HP, Sony, Panasonic, Samsung
and even Casio.  There is not going to be room enough for all those
different vendors and their proprietary lens mounts.  And, like all
electronic gear, cameras are becoming commoditized.  Remember when Sony
introduced the Digital Walkman?  Now they are being produced by dozens of
no-name manufacturers.  Same for VCRs and DVD players.  Same for computers.
Same for pocket calculators.  Same for telephones.  Same for cell phones.
Comes a point where they all reach a common level of quality, and it really
becomes difficult for one brand to exhibit a competitive edge over the
others.

Digital cameras do not rely upon the quality of their lenses as much as film
cameras did.  Germany and later, Japan, established reputations for
excellence in optics.  Now, the optics can be mass-produced by machinery.  I
note that even the new Leica M8 features correction of lens distortion in
the electronics.  Not so different from PS and PSP's recently-introduced
feature of compensating for lens distortion and chromatic aberrations in the
editing software.

I just don't see where Pentax is blazing any trails in this new world of
electronic cameras.  I cannot think of any compelling reason to choose
Pentax over other brands right now.  They seem to be associated with amateur
users, not with professionals.
John Francis - 16 Sep 2006 07:33 GMT
>"AaronW" <bj286@scn.org> wrote in message >
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>under some other name, would there be any real interest, or would buyers
>stick with Nikon and Canon?

We'll see.
You do know that Pentax cameras are now also being sold with Samsung branding?
Pete D - 16 Sep 2006 07:54 GMT
>>"AaronW" <bj286@scn.org> wrote in message >
>>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> You do know that Pentax cameras are now also being sold with Samsung
> branding?

Actually they are well known for their medical electronics and optics. They
have now had 7 D-SLR models that I have rarely heard a bad word about, they
have been improving all the time, the K100D is a superb little camera, the
original D and DS's as far as I know are still doing sterling service, I
know my DS is and I again rarely hear of any problems unlike the Nikon
flashing light of death and the Canon err99 etc. The new K10D so far looks
to clearly outgun the rest of the field in the A100/400D/20D/30D/D80D70s
range and will probably take many D200 sales. With the new Pentax 12MP
coming in 2007 things are looking much better for Pentax than they were
thats for sure.
TW - 16 Sep 2006 22:15 GMT
I can hardly agree more! It is true that Pentax does not have the name
recognition of Canon or Nikon. But all this is about to change with the
K10D. Just when Canon and Nikon thought that they were the only players in
the DSLR market, Pentax came out with something so good, so obvious and so
competitive in price. With in-body SR, every lens benefits from the feature.
This feature alone saves you more money on lens than the cost of the body.
It is like radial tires (Pentax) vs. bias ply tires (Canon & Nikon). Is
there someone still using bias ply tires .... any one? I guess no one.

>>>"AaronW" <bj286@scn.org> wrote in message >
>>>
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> With the new Pentax 12MP coming in 2007 things are looking much better for
> Pentax than they were thats for sure.
Pete D - 16 Sep 2006 22:36 GMT
>I can hardly agree more! It is true that Pentax does not have the name
>recognition of Canon or Nikon. But all this is about to change with the
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>Nikon). Is there someone still using bias ply tires .... any one? I guess
>no one.

Even without the SR the K10D still looks like a better package, far better
ernonomocally than the Canons and way better priced than the Nikon.
TW - 15 Sep 2006 02:30 GMT
The price of any camera must cover the costs such as advertising and other
"non-essential" SAG. A low price does not necessarily mean dumping; it could
imply Pentax has found a way to lower the manufacturing cost through better
sourcing, less waste, lean manufacturing, etc. I have been a Pentax user
since 1979 (MX) and am extremely excited and quite eager to upgrade from my
DS.

> Indeed, the price of Pentax cameras is lower than the big two, another
> factor leading one to beleive they are dumping the product.  Anyway, I
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>> the full-frame offerings from Nikon and Canon, and then when the sticker
>> shock wears off, you can consider the Pentax again. :-)
jeremy - 15 Sep 2006 05:02 GMT
> The price of any camera must cover the costs such as advertising and other
> "non-essential" SAG. A low price does not necessarily mean dumping; it
> could imply Pentax has found a way to lower the manufacturing cost through
> better sourcing, less waste, lean manufacturing, etc. I have been a Pentax
> user since 1979 (MX) and am extremely excited and quite eager to upgrade
> from my DS.

Pentax has not demonstrated any superiority in digital cameras, unlike Nikon
and Canon.  The Golden Age, for Pentax, was back in the M42 days, when they
were competing head-to-head with Zeiss, and when their lenses were built
with lots of handwork and just oozed quality.

Pentax's last hurrah was when they made the LX.  After that it was plastic
cameras, made in China.  As a long-time Pentax user, it is sad to see them
fall by the wayside, but nobody gets excited about Pentax anymore.  I read
recently that several of their largest investors have been pressing
management to get out of the digital business--apparently because Pentax has
not demonstrated having an edge in a niche in the digital domain.  If Pentax
were to restrict their production to film, they would surely die a quick
death.

Erwin Puts has recently written that Nikon, Leica, Zeiss and Canon are all a
step above what he calls "second tier" lens makers, of Olympus, Minolta and
Pentax.  His tests lead him to conclude that Canon made the best Japanese
lenses (even he admits that the difference in quality between Canon & Nikon
is very small), but his overall impression of Pentax's current lens line is
so-so.

I have some excellent Pentax stuff, but it is mostly from the early 70s.
The trouble with Pentax is that I feel like I'm in a time warp--Canon and
Nikon have continued to introduce numerous innovations, while Pentax's best
days were over a long time ago.

That's just my subjective view.  The Pentax of today is not the same Pentax
("Asahi") that I loved 30 years ago.  Plastic lens mounts don't impress me.
Your MX was probably the last of the great Pentax mechanical cameras.  And
their FA Limited lenses are nice, but there were only 3 of them, and that is
not much of a lens line.  If you were to ask me why anyone would choose
Pentax over Nikon or Canon TODAY, I could not come up with a reason.  That
is sad.  Time was when Pentax ruled.
Marc Sabatella - 15 Sep 2006 19:30 GMT
> If you were to ask me why anyone would choose Pentax over Nikon or
> Canon TODAY, I could not come up with a reason.

You write this *after* the announcement of the K10D?  That spec sheet
should give you at least a dozen reasons.

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Paul Mitchum - 16 Sep 2006 17:43 GMT
> > If you were to ask me why anyone would choose Pentax over Nikon or Canon
> > TODAY, I could not come up with a reason.
>
> You write this *after* the announcement of the K10D?  That spec sheet
> should give you at least a dozen reasons.

Well, of course you can't buy the K10D today. You have to wait a little
while. For Christmas, maybe. :-)
Pete D - 16 Sep 2006 22:30 GMT
>> > If you were to ask me why anyone would choose Pentax over Nikon or
>> > Canon
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> Well, of course you can't buy the K10D today. You have to wait a little
> while. For Christmas, maybe. :-)

I think only hard core photographers will be swayed by the if you buy Canon
or Nikon you cant go wrong, the general buying public will see the K10D
package and it will sell itself, it is just so superior.
jeremy - 17 Sep 2006 01:29 GMT
> I think only hard core photographers will be swayed by the if you buy
> Canon or Nikon you cant go wrong, the general buying public will see the
> K10D package and it will sell itself, it is just so superior.

One model does not a reputation make.  Where was Pentax all this time?  And
now you think that a significant percentage of buyers are going to abandon
the heavy hitters and jump over to Pentax?  I can't imagine that happening.
I could be wrong.  I hope I am.
Ryan Robbins - 17 Sep 2006 03:17 GMT
>> I think only hard core photographers will be swayed by the if you buy
>> Canon or Nikon you cant go wrong, the general buying public will see the
>> K10D package and it will sell itself, it is just so superior.
>
> One model does not a reputation make.  Where was Pentax all this time?

Selling the *ist D, which is an excellent camera.
Pete D - 17 Sep 2006 03:19 GMT
>> I think only hard core photographers will be swayed by the if you buy
>> Canon or Nikon you cant go wrong, the general buying public will see the
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> abandon the heavy hitters and jump over to Pentax?  I can't imagine that
> happening. I could be wrong.  I hope I am.

I did not say that significant number will abandon the heavy hitters but I
can certainly see them regain a good enough share to stay in business, if
only they can get the marketing right, they certainly have a good enough
product in the K10D and K100D.
Marc Sabatella - 17 Sep 2006 21:20 GMT
> One model does not a reputation make.  Where was Pentax all this time?

Making some quite excellent cameras like the *istDS and K100D, both of
which were arguably the best in their classes when released.

> And now you think that a significant percentage of buyers are going to
> abandon the heavy hitters and jump over to Pentax?

"Significant"?  No, probably not - although you'd be surprised at the
number of postings over the last few days on dpreview from current
owners of other systems who are indeed planning on switching.

Anyhow, I never said that many would switch.  I was replying to your
comment about someone just getting into the game today.  Believe it or
not, there are folks out there who do not yet own *any* DSLR, and the
K10D is going to look like a slam dunk to many of them.  I don't
understand why you'd recommend they spend an extra $500 to get a lesser
camera.

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John Meyer - 15 Sep 2006 23:49 GMT
> As a long-time Pentax user, it is sad to see them
> fall by the wayside, but nobody gets excited about Pentax anymore.

Nobody gets excited anymore? You should check the forums over at
dpreview. There's plenty of excitement over there about the K10D. And
it's not just the Pentax crowd: Nikon, Canon, Sony and Oly groups also.

> The Pentax of today is not the same Pentax
> ("Asahi") that I loved 30 years ago.  Plastic lens mounts don't impress me.

Name one Pentax DSLR that has a plastic lens mount. Hint: you can't
because they all have metal mounts. Even the kit 18-55mm has a metal
mounting ring.

Besides the three FA Limited lenses, Pentax now offers two DA Limiteds:
the 21mm f/3.2 and the 70mm F2.4.

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Pete D - 16 Sep 2006 00:45 GMT
>> As a long-time Pentax user, it is sad to see them
>> fall by the wayside, but nobody gets excited about Pentax anymore.
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> Besides the three FA Limited lenses, Pentax now offers two DA Limiteds:
> the 21mm f/3.2 and the 70mm F2.4.

Actually I have one of the Pentaxes that I bought 28 years ago and several
others in between and I really love using my DS and am looking forward to
keeping it and as well as getting a K10D.
frederick - 14 Sep 2006 00:51 GMT
>  If you really want to go pro, you might look at
> the full-frame offerings from Nikon and Canon, and then when the sticker
> shock wears off, you can consider the Pentax again. :-)

Disagree slightly with that.  If you want sticker shock, look at pro
line lenses from Olympus or KM.  Pentax is more consistent with Nikon
and Canon prices.
default - 14 Sep 2006 04:39 GMT
Whether
> they're 'professional' or not depends on how you end up using them, not
> how they're marketed. If you really want to go pro, you might look at
> the full-frame offerings from Nikon and Canon, and then when the sticker
> shock wears off, you can consider the Pentax again. :-)

Which Nikon DSLR has full frame?
Ruman - 14 Sep 2006 06:06 GMT
> Whether
> > they're 'professional' or not depends on how you end up using them, not
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>
> Which Nikon DSLR has full frame?

haha
Paul Mitchum - 14 Sep 2006 07:43 GMT
> Whether
> > they're 'professional' or not depends on how you end up using them, not
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>
> Which Nikon DSLR has full frame?

The one you compare.
 
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