OK, this may be a naive question, and it may have been discussed before
(though I can't find much anywhere), but I was just wondering why the Kodak,
Fuji, and Linhof digital cameras are seemingly absent from the debate?
The Kodak and Linhof offer full-frame sensors with a Nikon lens mount (the
Kodak has a Canon version too). The Fuji's seem to be readily available
used. So, as someone who will likely have to enter the digital market with
a used body, what's so bad about these cameras that they get little or no
mention here? Would I be better off with a consumer level Nikon or Canon
(or Minolta or Olympus)?
If someone can point me to a summary of the issues, that would be great.
Thanks!
Walt
Skip M - 26 Feb 2005 03:52 GMT
> OK, this may be a naive question, and it may have been discussed before
> (though I can't find much anywhere), but I was just wondering why the
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> Walt
The Kodak cameras are rather expensive, and they've had problems with noise
over ISO 100 and moir?. And they're based on basic consumer level bodies,
but shoved, willy nilly, into the pro arena. The Nikon mount version is
based on the Nikon N80, the Canon version on the Sigma SD9. There is a
certain distrust of Sigma around here, and many feel the body may not be
rugged enough for the rough and tumble of pro use.
As far as the Fuji S3 Pro, I really have no idea why it doesn't enter into
discussions more, except possibly because of cost and that it, too, is based
on the Nikon N80. I don't think the Linhof is widely known, or available,
in fact, it was only recently that I had even heard of it...

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David Dyer-Bennet - 26 Feb 2005 05:03 GMT
> OK, this may be a naive question, and it may have been discussed before
> (though I can't find much anywhere), but I was just wondering why the Kodak,
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> If someone can point me to a summary of the issues, that would be great.
> Thanks!
Quite a few people have the Fuji S2. I like mine quite well; I bought
it when the alternative was the Nikon D100, and I'm quite happy with
my choice. I'm not really clear that the S3 offers a lot of
improvement, though, whereas the D70 improves on the D100 in many ways
and cuts the price a lot.
The Kodak 14n gets good reviews as a studio camera from the people
who've used it, and a lot of random hatred it sounds like from people
who haven't. I haven't used it, but if I were looking to add a studio
camera it'd be my immediate choice.
The main reason you don't hear these mentioned much now, I think, is
that they're *old* by the standards of digital photography. We tend
to talk about news.

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bmoag - 26 Feb 2005 18:53 GMT
The Nikon version Kodak is probably still the "best" dSLR out there: it
would probably be my first choice for a studio digital camera. However it is
big, heavy and costs more than twice as much as consumer dSLRs. Take a look
at the "pro" Canon dSLRs in a camera store. You would not want to carry one
of those beasts around your neck under almost any circumstances. I have
never seen a good article, as opposed to much of the faith based diatribes
that appear on this newsgroup, as to why that Kodak full frame sensor has
not migrated down to consumer level cameras. The Fuji is an excellent dSLR
but on price gets beaten by Nikon in the consumer arena.
Alan Browne - 26 Feb 2005 21:02 GMT
> OK, this may be a naive question, and it may have been discussed before
> (though I can't find much anywhere), but I was just wondering why the Kodak,
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> mention here? Would I be better off with a consumer level Nikon or Canon
> (or Minolta or Olympus)?
--Fujifilm's S1..3 series are aimed at Nikon lens owners, mostly pro.
--Kodak's 14 (both flavours) is simialarly aimed.
--Linhof digital? They're not even mentioned on dpreview afaict, and I don't
think they have anything at the "35mm" scale. So they're a bit under the radar
or probably simply OT for this NG. Definite pro territory.
http://www.linhof.com/english/index.html look up digital there and it is a print
quality control system they show...
--All rounders: the Nikon, Canon, Pentax, Oly, Minolta solutions are pretty
mainstream camera systems. People are famillar with their names, their
products; many people are invested (glass/flash) and so it goes.
--The more common manufs above are accessible. Can you get your hands on a
Linhof or even a Kodak 14 (any variant) to touch and feel it?
It would be best that their are innovative and/or bleeding edge quality
companies to keep the more gneral guys on their toes of course.
For us mere mortal$, the main OEM's will be both out main source of supply and
discussion in this NG.
As long as the discussion is an SLR digital camera or its components, it is of
course very welcome here regardless of who makes it.
Cheers,
Alan

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Walt Hanks - 26 Feb 2005 22:17 GMT
> --Linhof digital? They're not even mentioned on dpreview afaict, and I
> don't think they have anything at the "35mm" scale. So they're a bit
> under the radar or probably simply OT for this NG. Definite pro
> territory.
The Linhof is available from B&H for $4500 - the same as a D2x and much less
than the Canon beast. Unfortunately, the listing is rather short on
technical details.
Walt
Walt Hanks - 26 Feb 2005 23:09 GMT
>> --Linhof digital? They're not even mentioned on dpreview afaict, and I
>> don't think they have anything at the "35mm" scale. So they're a bit
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>
> Walt
No it isn't!!! Geez, my brain is gone. It's a Horseman, not a Linhoff. The
Horseman Digiflex II takes Nikon lenses and any digital back with a
Hasselblad mount. It's $4600 at Adorama and $5100 at B&H. It supposedly
provides "35mm operating convenience" with the higher resolution of MF
digital backs.
Anyone seen one in action?
Too pricey, I know, since the price quoted does not include a back.
Sorry for the mix-up!
Walt
canongirly - 27 Feb 2005 00:42 GMT
the cheapest I've seen the current 22mb back advertised is around $29770
(?15480 inc vat)
>>> --Linhof digital? They're not even mentioned on dpreview afaict, and I
>>> don't think they have anything at the "35mm" scale. So they're a bit
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>
> Walt
Walt Hanks - 27 Feb 2005 01:41 GMT
> the cheapest I've seen the current 22mb back advertised is around $29770
> (?15480 inc vat)
I've seen the entry level Hasselblad back advertised for around $10K. Still
makes for a mighty pricey digital SLR.
Walt