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Nikon D50 Filter Size ???

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DB - 05 Sep 2006 21:22 GMT
I am wondering what size filters the D50 takes......

I am getting some freebie filters and it would be great if they would work
on the Nikon that im after.

Cheers

Dave :)
Thomas T. Veldhouse - 05 Sep 2006 21:25 GMT
> I am wondering what size filters the D50 takes......
>
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>
> Dave :)

I hope you aren't trolling ...

The camera doesn't take filters at all.  The lenses do and it depends upon the
lens you have on the camera.  I believe the 18-55 lens taks a 58mm lens, but
you should verify.

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DB - 05 Sep 2006 21:51 GMT
Duhrrr....course I meant the lenses....lol

It's been a long time since I did my photography but i'm looking forward to
catching up.......now where did I leave my developer.....oh heck......it's
all digi nowadays.

Thanks again Thomas.

Dave :)

>> I am wondering what size filters the D50 takes......
>>
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> but
> you should verify.
JTS Brown - 05 Sep 2006 23:48 GMT
>I am wondering what size filters the D50 takes......
>
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>
> Dave :)

Any filter will work, the D50 is what's called an "omnifilter capable" camera
by the pros.  Canon does not have this important feature.
DB - 06 Sep 2006 00:01 GMT
Thanks JTS...

will look into this.....

Dave :)

>>I am wondering what size filters the D50 takes......
>>
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> Any filter will work, the D50 is what's called an "omnifilter capable"
> camera by the pros.  Canon does not have this important feature.
John McWilliams - 06 Sep 2006 00:04 GMT
>> I am wondering what size filters the D50 takes......
>>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Any filter will work, the D50 is what's called an "omnifilter capable" camera
> by the pros.  Canon does not have this important feature.

Ah, that's why Pro's shun them.

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DP - 06 Sep 2006 06:10 GMT
> Any filter will work, the D50 is what's called an "omnifilter capable"
> camera by the pros.  Canon does not have this important feature.

Sorry for being too literal here, but that's a joke, right?
Bill - 06 Sep 2006 08:33 GMT
>> Any filter will work, the D50 is what's called an "omnifilter capable"
>> camera by the pros.  Canon does not have this important feature.
>
>Sorry for being too literal here, but that's a joke, right?

No, he's right. Canon doesn't have that feature.

:-)
John McWilliams - 07 Sep 2006 00:42 GMT
>>> Any filter will work, the D50 is what's called an "omnifilter capable"
>>> camera by the pros.  Canon does not have this important feature.
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>
> :-)

I see the smiley, and wonder what it might mean. In any event, I
questioned the "importance" of this feature. That was stated by the guy
with the whiskey name, seems to have been chopped in reply.

Dunno if he was trolling, has a sense of humor, or is clueless, or what.

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DP - 07 Sep 2006 01:18 GMT
OK, for the record and for the benefit of the original poster, I will go out
on a limb and say the "important," "omnifilter capable" feature was a joke.
Most of us know that, but the original poster apparently did not, since his
response was to thank the poster and then say "will look into this...."

Hope I didn't spoil anyone's fun by saying that. Just didn't want to confuse
the OP any more than he apparently is.

>>>> Any filter will work, the D50 is what's called an "omnifilter capable"
>>>> camera by the pros.  Canon does not have this important feature.
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>
> Dunno if he was trolling, has a sense of humor, or is clueless, or what.
DB - 10 Sep 2006 13:10 GMT
Hey....you spoilt my fun - I thought you were all trying to help me....

Anyroad....seeing as I have a god sense of humour I will grant you all a
pardon.

I didnt manage to "look into it " yet.... so I didnt make myself look like a
right t*t in the photography store by asking about them.LOL

Dave :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

b*ggers..........................

> OK, for the record and for the benefit of the original poster, I will go
> out on a limb and say the "important," "omnifilter capable" feature was a
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>>
>> Dunno if he was trolling, has a sense of humor, or is clueless, or what.
cjcampbell - 06 Sep 2006 02:29 GMT
> I am wondering what size filters the D50 takes......
>
> I am getting some freebie filters and it would be great if they would work
> on the Nikon that im after.

If I forget what size filters my lenses take I usually just look on the
back of the lens cap. Otherwise it is written on the lens by the filter
threads.
ink - 06 Sep 2006 10:34 GMT
>I am wondering what size filters the D50 takes......
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Dave :)

Usually the filter size is indicated on the back of the lens cap.

Cheers,
ink
Paul Furman - 06 Sep 2006 16:55 GMT
> I am wondering what size filters the D50 takes......
>
> I am getting some freebie filters and it would be great if they would work
> on the Nikon that im after.

The D50 18-55 kit lens is 52 mm which is the most common size. Anything
bigger is OK as you can get a ste-up ring, don't skimp on those or they
jam. The only filters that are really useful though are a good quality
polarizer and neutral density or graduated neutral density. Color
filters are almost useless with digital, especially with auto white
balance, the camera will just correct back to normal!

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Bill - 06 Sep 2006 19:10 GMT
>> I am wondering what size filters the D50 takes......
>>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>bigger is OK as you can get a ste-up ring, don't skimp on those or they
>jam.

Good stuff there.

>The only filters that are really useful though are a good quality
>polarizer and neutral density or graduated neutral density. Color
>filters are almost useless with digital, especially with auto white
>balance, the camera will just correct back to normal!

ACK!

I can't believe you said that. If you're using a colour filter, you
NEVER use auto white balance.

It would kind of funny to watch a newbie scratching their head over it
though.

:-D
DB - 06 Sep 2006 19:55 GMT
Damn n blast..........me thinks the freebies are all 49mm

I thin i'll have to buy my own .......

Thanks again..

Dave :)

>>> I am wondering what size filters the D50 takes......
>>>
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>
> :-D
Doug McDonald - 06 Sep 2006 20:47 GMT
>> The only filters that are really useful though are a good quality
>> polarizer and neutral density or graduated neutral density. Color
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> I can't believe you said that. If you're using a colour filter, you
> NEVER use auto white balance.

Color temperature correction filters are useful with digital
camera, just like with film, if they are good ones. I'm
referring to things like the 85.

The color balance correction in the cameras can only
correct the balance between the pre-defined three color
filters. A color correction filter in front of the lens,
if it has a nice smooth spectral response, can and will
correct the response inside the bandpass of each of the
three filters. You will never be able to match absolutely
exactly two images, one made at 6000K and one made at 2800K,
with the camera's built in adjustment, or even with
manipulation of raw data files. But, barring a fluorescent
subject, you can do so with a color filter in front of teh lens.

Doug McDonald
Thomas T. Veldhouse - 06 Sep 2006 20:53 GMT
> Color temperature correction filters are useful with digital
> camera, just like with film, if they are good ones. I'm
> referring to things like the 85.

How so?  That is exactly what white balance is for.  I would rather not put on
a filter where no filter is required.

> The color balance correction in the cameras can only
> correct the balance between the pre-defined three color
> filters.

That is incorrect.  The white balance on most cameras can be set to any degree
of temperature beyond the basic settings [i.e. shade, sun, flash, etc].

> A color correction filter in front of the lens,
> if it has a nice smooth spectral response, can and will
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> manipulation of raw data files. But, barring a fluorescent
> subject, you can do so with a color filter in front of teh lens.

Hmm.

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Doug McDonald - 06 Sep 2006 21:14 GMT
>> Color temperature correction filters are useful with digital
>> camera, just like with film, if they are good ones. I'm
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> That is incorrect.  The white balance on most cameras can be set to any degree
> of temperature beyond the basic settings [i.e. shade, sun, flash, etc].

You misunderstood what I meant, which was briefly stated.
All an in-camera (or playing with raw files) system can do
is apply
two numbers as a correction: the ratio of the gains of the
red and green channels is one number, the ration of the blue
and green channels is another number. As you say the white
balance settings can set these two numbers any why it wants
to, and you can set them any way you want to using the data
in a raw file.

>> A color correction filter in front of the lens,
>> if it has a nice smooth spectral response, can and will
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Hmm.

But with only those two numbers, there is one critical thing
niether you nor the camera can do: correct the ratio of
sensitivities inside the bandpass of any one of the three
color channels on the Bayer filter. In other words, consider
just the blue channel. At 6000 K the ratio of energy at 480
nm to that at 410 nm will be lower than that at 2800K. The
two-number correction system can't fix that difference. A
filter in front of the lens can.

Doug McDonald
DB - 06 Sep 2006 22:03 GMT
Wow.....i think i'm sorted with the lens info....but all this techie info
has got me bamboozled...

6000 K ...... 480 nm ................ 410 nm ................. 2800K.

I hope one day to understand all this.

Me thinks a course at night school or joining a club will be needed to bring
me upto date.

Dave :)

Many Thanks for all info given - it is ALL appreciated. :)
DB - 06 Sep 2006 22:05 GMT
I meant FILTER not Lens......

Dave :)

> Wow.....i think i'm sorted with the lens info....but all this techie info
> has got me bamboozled...
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Many Thanks for all info given - it is ALL appreciated. :)
DoN. Nichols - 07 Sep 2006 02:20 GMT
According to DB <db002a3121@blueyonder.co.uk>:
> Wow.....i think i'm sorted with the lens info....but all this techie info
> has got me bamboozled...
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Me thinks a course at night school or joining a club will be needed to bring
> me upto date.

    Well ... the 6000K and 2800K are color temperatures.  They are
the color blend of light which is emitted by something of that
temperature, and the scale is Kelvin (K), which starts at absolute zero,
with 0 Celsius being 237K IIRC.

    As for 480 nm and 418 nm -- those are wavelengths of specific
colors of light.  The longer the wavelength in visible light, the closer
to red you are.  The shorter the wavelength in visible light, the closer
to blue you are.  The "nm" is nano-meters -- that is meters divided by
10^9th (1,000,000,000).  Not common US terminology other than for the
scientific community -- but more common in other countries.  But they
are more likely to use (for daily purposes) temperatures in degrees C,
and lengths in meters, cm, or mm (machinists are more likely to use mm
-- milli-meters).

    Enjoy,
        DoN.

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Bill - 07 Sep 2006 10:38 GMT
>I hope one day to understand all this.
>
>Me thinks a course at night school or joining a club will be needed to bring
>me upto date.

Definitely check around for a photography club. They're very useful when
you're getting started and can straighten out a lot of issues for you,
and answer a lot of questions right away.
cjcampbell - 07 Sep 2006 02:03 GMT
> Color temperature correction filters are useful with digital
> camera, just like with film, if they are good ones. I'm
> referring to things like the 85.

I fail to see why, when you can adjust color temperature any way you
want in editing, without any loss of exposure. Color temperature
correction filters are as obsolete as the buggy whip.
Greg "_" - 07 Sep 2006 03:28 GMT
> > Color temperature correction filters are useful with digital
> > camera, just like with film, if they are good ones. I'm
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> want in editing, without any loss of exposure. Color temperature
> correction filters are as obsolete as the buggy whip.

Doing Interiors  the Problem is the correction you make later WILL
affect the tonal range-perhaps adversely, and its a lot better and
quicker to add a filter on camera & then check my filtration on my
laptop screen.

Than to get back home only to realize the camera was set incorrectly
and have nothing to reference. When you are trying to precisely color
match something quickly-yet accurately nothing beats being able to check
the original scene and nothing is faster than balancing using a filter.
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Jeremy Nixon - 07 Sep 2006 04:45 GMT
> I fail to see why, when you can adjust color temperature any way you
> want in editing, without any loss of exposure. Color temperature
> correction filters are as obsolete as the buggy whip.

White balance in post-production, and in-camera for almost all cameras,
is simply adjusting the relative levels of the color channels.  If you
shoot, for example, under incandescent light, the white balance needs
to boost the blue channel by a large amount; this results in also
boosting the noise in the blue channel, and increasing posterization.

If you use a correction filter, the light is balanced prior to exposure
and this doesn't happen.  This can result in somewhat higher quality,
if you can afford to take the time to put on the filter and you can
deal with the light loss from it.

If you want to get really serious about that, the idea is to balance
the light to the camera's idea of neutral, which is fairly well into
the realm of magenta.  A magenta filter under daylight can, evidently
(I haven't tried it, myself), decrease shadow noise and posterization
by avoiding the digital white balancing.

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Paul Furman - 07 Sep 2006 17:01 GMT
>>I fail to see why, when you can adjust color temperature any way you
>>want in editing, without any loss of exposure. Color temperature
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> if you can afford to take the time to put on the filter and you can
> deal with the light loss from it.

I can see cj's point for specific unusual scenes like flourescent indoor
perhaps. Assuming there is a particular flourescent filter...

> If you want to get really serious about that, the idea is to balance
> the light to the camera's idea of neutral, which is fairly well into
> the realm of magenta.  A magenta filter under daylight can, evidently
> (I haven't tried it, myself), decrease shadow noise and posterization
> by avoiding the digital white balancing.

Digital cameras need that extra green for luminosity (grayscale detail)
although it's sort of random that there are twice the green pixels,
maybe a slightly different ratio is ideal?

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Jeremy Nixon - 07 Sep 2006 22:58 GMT
> I can see cj's point for specific unusual scenes like flourescent indoor
> perhaps. Assuming there is a particular flourescent filter...

Fluorescent is nowhere near as bad as incandescent.  Correcting the usual
low-temperature incandescent to daylight can require boosting the blue
channel by somewhere in the neighborhood of two full stops.  Things start
to get ugly when you boost by two stops.

For an even more dramatic example, try correcting high-pressure sodium to
daylight.  It looks unnatural, but that's just as well -- the amount of
correction necessary leaves the picture looking like crap.

> Digital cameras need that extra green for luminosity (grayscale detail)
> although it's sort of random that there are twice the green pixels,
> maybe a slightly different ratio is ideal?

It's not the number of pixels for each color, just the relative sensitivity.
Getting to our "standard" daylight balance requires some correction.

There are tests out there showing that a CC40M filter can increase final
image quality.  Search the DPReview forums for "CC40M" for a start.

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