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Photo Forum / Digital Photography / DSLR Cameras / September 2006Interim camera: 30D or 400D
Hello-- I am currently using a Canon 350D. Within the next year to 18 months, I plan on upgrading to a full-frame sensor, perhaps the 5D replacement (if there is one--I am waiting to see what Canon announces at Photokina). However, I am going to give my current camera to my niece who is very interested in developing her photography skills. This leaves me with a choice. As I am not ready to purchase the full frame camera right now, I will need an interim body. I have been looking at both the 30D and the new 400D. I know that there isn't much "field test" information on the 400D yet, but I was wondering what people thought of their 30D. The increase in megapixels is a tiny factor, but I also understand that it isn't such a huge difference to make it a deal breaker. Does the build quality, photo quality justify the few hundred dollars more one would pay for the 30D? Can the technology of the "intro level" 400D be so far behind the 30D? My work includes street photography and some landscapes (but more along the lines of "urban landscapes"). I do little to no portraiture (unless it is environmental portraits), and do not do much sports photography (although I do try to capture some action: dogs, traffic, bicycles, etc.). I mostly shoot with my (prized) 16-35 f/2.8, my 24-70 f2.8, and, less frequently, my 70-200 f/4. When the situation calls for it, I like to go to my 50mm F/1.4. On the one hand, I think I can still use my 350's batteries and battery grip on the new 400. That may be another "hidden" savings. On the other, if the 30D is going to be a better tool for the short run--and a better transition to the higher end models--I'd be willing to spend the money. Any comments you may have would be greatly appreciated. mybo...@gmail.com wrote: > Hello-- I apologize for this post. I see that there has already been a thread on this exact topic just a few days ago. I hate when people do this, and now I've done it. Again, sorry. > mybo...@gmail.com wrote: >> Hello-- [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Again, sorry. you must decide if it's worthed... 30D is (as i found out from various reviews) pretty similar in quality, noise figure etc. It's just details, like ISO3200, magnesium alloy body vs- plastic, 5 shots per second vs. 3, spot metering, 100.000 shutter life vs unknown (on 350), two LCD's (color and b/w) on 30D vs only color on 400D (supposely difficult to see in bright sun), bigger (heavier) camera - this is good for some, bad for others. Myself - when i held both, 30D was way better feeling in my hands than "small" 350D. I'd say differencec are small, but there are many of such small differences. It's hard to decide which. Since 30D it's my first SLR camera and i was asking the very same question not long ago, i could hardly be the wise a.s here :-) But, i just stated some things i found out to be different. > Hello-- > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Any comments you may have would be greatly appreciated. About the battery... I was surprised to note that the battery appears to be something OTHER than the 511/512 Canon has used for all non-D-series DSLRs. The battery appears to lack the indentation on the rounded side, which makes me think they are NOT compatible with previous Canon DSLRs. ??? Could be wrong, but check out the images on the www.dpreview.com specs.  SignatureImages (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by Mark² at: www.pbase.com/markuson >> On the one hand, I think I can still use my 350's batteries and >> battery grip on the new 400. That may be another "hidden" savings. On [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >??? >Could be wrong, but check out the images on the www.dpreview.com specs. Why guess at pictures? Why not go to the source, Canon? Their website specifications shows that the new Rebel XTi/400D uses the same NB-2LH battery pack as the former XT/350D. It's also used in numerous Powershot and camcorder models. The battery pack for the 20D/30D is the BP-511/512/514 and they are not interchangeable with the Rebel packs. It's used in some Powershot, older DSLR models, and some camcorders. By the way, the BG-E3 battery grip fits both the old XT/350D and new XTi/400D. >>> On the one hand, I think I can still use my 350's batteries and >>> battery grip on the new 400. That may be another "hidden" savings. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > By the way, the BG-E3 battery grip fits both the old XT/350D and new > XTi/400D. Thanks for clearing that up. I was under the (wrong) impression that the Rebel line used the same batteries as the D30/10/20/30/5D cameras. So no change... I've only owned the D30, 10D and 5D. SignatureImages (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by Mark² at: www.pbase.com/markuson > I was under the (wrong) impression that the Rebel line used the same > batteries as the D30/10/20/30/5D cameras. Perhaps because it once did. 5D and 30D take Lithium-Ion BP-511A BP-511 / BP-511A / BP-512 / BP-514 and so does the 300D, and the ole G2 etc. But, 350D/400D take Lithium-Ion NB-2LH rechargeable battery (supplied & charger) Best Regards, -- Todd H. http://www.toddh.net/ >"Mark?" <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net> wrote: >>> On the one hand, I think I can still use my 350's batteries and >>> battery grip on the new 400. That may be another "hidden" savings. On [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >>??? >>Could be wrong, but check out the images on the www.dpreview.com specs. >Why guess at pictures? >Why not go to the source, Canon? >Their website specifications shows that the new Rebel XTi/400D uses the >same NB-2LH battery pack as the former XT/350D. It's also used in >numerous Powershot and camcorder models. >The battery pack for the 20D/30D is the BP-511/512/514 and they are not >interchangeable with the Rebel packs. It's used in some Powershot, older >DSLR models, and some camcorders. Almost. The 300D Digital Rebel also uses the BP-511/512 battery. ---- Paul J. Gans >>Why not go to the source, Canon? > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Almost. The 300D Digital Rebel also uses the BP-511/512 battery. Which is why I said, "older DSLR models". Besides, we're talking about the 30D and 400D models. :-) >> "Mark?" <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Almost. The 300D Digital Rebel also uses the BP-511/512 battery. So, my interchanging the batteries from my G-3, 300D and 20D for the last year+ has been all right? And, as Todd wrote, > 5D and 30D take Lithium-Ion BP-511A BP-511 / BP-511A / BP-512 / BP-514 > and so does the 300D, and the ole G2 etc. So does the A designation mean anything, and if I get the 5D, will the batteries that work in the above [ G-3, 300D and 20D ] that I already have? SignatureJohn McWilliams > My work includes street photography and some landscapes (but more along > the lines of "urban landscapes"). I do little to no portraiture (unless [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > less frequently, my 70-200 f/4. When the situation calls for it, I like > to go to my 50mm F/1.4. If you change lenses often or, better yet, if you *don't* change lenses as often as you'd like, because you're worried about dust, the Rebel XTi/400 looks mighty tempting. I absolutely don't change lenses on my 350 as often as I'd like to, because I worry about the sensor. For me, freedom from the fear of dust (even if not really true... all that matters is that you believe it's true) is a compelling reason to consider the 400 over a 30D. --Mike Jacoubowsky Chain Reaction Bicycles www.ChainReaction.com Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA > Hello-- > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Any comments you may have would be greatly appreciated. >> My work includes street photography and some landscapes (but more >> along the lines of "urban landscapes"). I do little to no [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > true... all that matters is that you believe it's true) is a > compelling reason to consider the 400 over a 30D. Madness. If you're afraid to change lenses, then why on Earth would you buy a DSLR??? I've changed lenses literally probably a thousand times on my 10D and have had to remove dust about twice. So far on my 5D, I have yet to have a single dust speck... SignatureImages (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by Mark² at: www.pbase.com/markuson |
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