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Gerrit 't Hart - 05 Sep 2006 10:21 GMT
I am about to buy a DSLR, but before I do this dust thing has got me
worried.
If I have a DSLR and only ever attach the one lens (in my case a Tamron
28-200 which I already own) and never remove it, is dust a problem?
Thanks for you help.

Gerrit
Bart van der Wolf - 05 Sep 2006 11:36 GMT
>I am about to buy a DSLR, but before I do this dust thing has got me
> worried.

Don't let it get to become a bigger problem than it actually is.
Millions of people around the globe can cope with it.

> If I have a DSLR and only ever attach the one lens (in my case a
> Tamron 28-200 which I already own) and never remove it, is dust
> a problem?

Dust is everywhere, you are breathing dust as we speak. Some of the
dust is created by wear of camera parts. Most of it won't show up with
apertures wider than, say, f/8.0 and even then only on featureless
areas such as a blue sky.

Being prepared to occasionally clean the sensor area, will allow you
to do it yourself if it becomes a nuisance to clean it up in
postprocessing.

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Derek Fountain - 05 Sep 2006 12:43 GMT
> I am about to buy a DSLR, but before I do this dust thing has got me
> worried.

Don't be. It amazes me how much talk and worry such a non-issue generates.

> If I have a DSLR and only ever attach the one lens (in my case a Tamron
> 28-200 which I already own) and never remove it, is dust a problem?

It might be. Dust gets everywhere, and there will be some inside your
camera when you put the lens on. Some of it might stick to the sensor.
But it probably won't be an issue for you; if you're not changing lenses
the chances are you won't get dust in there.

Having a DSLR and not daring to use different lenses because of the risk
of dust would be a terrible waste. My advice is for you to ignore the
dust issue completely until you come across it. When you do so, buy some
swabs and learn how to clean the sensor. All DSLR owners have to learn
to do that sooner or later and once you've done it once you'll realise
how trivial the issue is.
glenn Jacobs - 05 Sep 2006 15:36 GMT
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> From: "Gerrit 't Hart" <gthart@sad.au>
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>
> Gerrit

I live in a very dusty environment, all the roads within 10 miles of my
house are dirt.  I use mostly fixed focal length lenses and change them
often.  I keep covers on the camera body when no lens is installed and on
both ends of the lenses when not being used.  I also have an ear syringe
which I use to gently blow dust off the CCD.  Donʼt let it worry you!

JakeInHartsel
POHB - 05 Sep 2006 16:48 GMT
> I am about to buy a DSLR, but before I do this dust thing has got me
> worried.

I believe Howard Hughes had a similar problem with dust
Bruce - 05 Sep 2006 17:16 GMT
Why not buy a good DSLR with a permanant zoom, like OlympusSP-500UZ or
Panasonic etc.

Bruce
> I am about to buy a DSLR, but before I do this dust thing has got me
> worried.
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>
> Gerrit
default - 06 Sep 2006 03:13 GMT
Those are not "Digital Single Lens Reflex" cameras.

> Why not buy a good DSLR with a permanant zoom, like OlympusSP-500UZ or
> Panasonic etc.
Randal L. Schwartz - 06 Sep 2006 12:42 GMT
>>>>> "default" == default  <defaultname@hotmail.com> writes:

default> Those are not "Digital Single Lens Reflex" cameras.

Well, "Single Lens" in the ultimate sense. :)

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Marc Sabatella - 05 Sep 2006 17:43 GMT
> If I have a DSLR and only ever attach the one lens (in my case a
> Tamron
> 28-200 which I already own) and never remove it, is dust a problem?

Dust on a DSLR sensor is roughly as big a problem as fingerprints or
other smudges on the fronts of lenses.  Which is to say, if you're
careful, it doesn't happen often, and when it does happen, you take of
it - no big deal.

That said, you're also fooling yourself if you think you'll buy a DSLR
and then never want to get another lens...

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nick c - 05 Sep 2006 19:02 GMT
> I am about to buy a DSLR, but before I do this dust thing has got me
> worried.

> If I have a DSLR and only ever attach the one lens (in my case a Tamron
> 28-200 which I already own) and never remove it, is dust a problem?
> Thanks for you help.
>
> Gerrit

Ever consider that dust sometimes gets into lenses? That being the case,
there may be times when dust will get into a camera. Changes in
atmospheric pressure may cause dust to enter an unsealed camera even
with a full time lens being attached;  just as it may cause dust to
enter a lens.

Don't be overly concerned about dust. Consider the possibility that you
will add to your lens inventory. Should that happen, normally when
changing lenses, be sure the camera is turned off. When in a dusty or in
a wind blowing environment, use some common sense when changing lenses
and try to protect the open camera from being exposed to those
conditions. Frankly, I would guess the dust problem to be less a concern
using a dslr camera than dust entering a P&S camera.  One can wipe away
the dust in a dslr but a P&S would have to be cleaned by a tech. I use a
thin long handle soft hair artist brush to wipe away dust and don't need
to do that very often. Leastwise, not often enough to consider dust to
be a problem.
MASL - 05 Sep 2006 19:04 GMT
Gerrit 't Hart Wrote:
> I am about to buy a DSLR, but before I do this dust thing has got me
> worried.
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>
> Gerrit

Sensor cleaning is 1) easy and 2) infrequent (though when I clean it
it is often more than one try).  Don't fret over it, and don'
compromise lens quality to avoid it.  One way to reduce dust is t
change lenses indoors.  This will also help to avoid wind blow
particles, which tend to be a bigger problem than dust, though muc
less frequent still.

Good luck and enjoy, what you should worry about is self control onc
that DSLR has you in it's grips!

-Mar

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cjcampbell - 06 Sep 2006 02:34 GMT
> I am about to buy a DSLR, but before I do this dust thing has got me
> worried.
> If I have a DSLR and only ever attach the one lens (in my case a Tamron
> 28-200 which I already own) and never remove it, is dust a problem?
> Thanks for you help.

Do not worry about dust. The "dust problem" is all sales hype.

If you get dust on your sensor it is easily removed with a blower. If
that doesn't remove it, any of the commercial sensor cleaning kits work
just fine.

Even the cameras with anti-dust systems do not make the claim that your
sensor will *never* get dust on it or that it will never need some sort
of cleaning, but if you never change your lens you are unlikely to ever
get dust on the sensor. It could happen, though, especially in a camera
that is not weather sealed.
Greg "_" - 06 Sep 2006 03:30 GMT
> > I am about to buy a DSLR, but before I do this dust thing has got me
> > worried.
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> get dust on the sensor. It could happen, though, especially in a camera
> that is not weather sealed.

Or if you have a zoom lens on the camera,....as the sliding in and out
eventually works dust inside the camera.
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Roger N. Clark (change username to rnclark) - 06 Sep 2006 05:12 GMT
>>>I am about to buy a DSLR, but before I do this dust thing has got me
>>>worried.
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> Or if you have a zoom lens on the camera,....as the sliding in and out
> eventually works dust inside the camera.

That depends on the design of the lens.
E.G., the canon 100-400 IS L does what you say.
The 28-135 IS does not: the rear element is sealed.
Those are the only two zooms I use (well actually I haven't
use the 100-400 for a few years).
I have always been able to blow off dust with a pretty weak
blower (except once I had to use a brush on a large spec).
Experience: multiple DSLRs many tens of thousands of images,
often in dusty environments, both work and play

Roger
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Rita Ä Berkowitz - 06 Sep 2006 10:35 GMT
> Or if you have a zoom lens on the camera,....as the sliding in and out
> eventually works dust inside the camera.

There's no sliding with the old Nikon 70-200mm VR or the 17-35, but the
28-70 moves in and out about 1/2".  No worries.  The 18-200 slides in and
out so much that a blacksmith can use it as bellows, but since it's properly
designed it won't suck dust when it is on the camera.  Dust is a non-issue
and will never be a problem during the normal life of the dSLR body.

Rita
Greg "_" - 06 Sep 2006 12:21 GMT
>  Dust is a non-issue
> and will never be a problem during the normal life of the dSLR body.

> Rita

What fantasy planet do you live on?
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Bill - 06 Sep 2006 12:40 GMT
>>  Dust is a non-issue
>> and will never be a problem during the normal life of the dSLR body.
>
>What fantasy planet do you live on?

I think the intention is to convey that cleaning a sensor need only take
a few moments, so it's not an issue.

Most of the time I just use the blower and give the sensor a few quick
blasts. A few times I've had to get out the nylon brush and give it a
quick swipe.

Takes a few minutes at most, and the dust is gone. No big deal.
Paul J Gans - 06 Sep 2006 14:06 GMT
"Greg \"_\"" <grey_egg@greg_photo.com> wrote:

>>  Dust is a non-issue
>> and will never be a problem during the normal life of the dSLR body.

>> Rita

>What fantasy planet do you live on?

I think Rita means dust from the in and out motion of some
zooms will never be a problem during the normal life of the
dSLR body.

That's the context of the thread and of the parts of the
post that were cut.

   ----- Paul J. Gans
Robert Brace - 09 Sep 2006 00:06 GMT
>> Or if you have a zoom lens on the camera,....as the sliding in and out
>> eventually works dust inside the camera.
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>
> Rita

Rita, better take a closer look at your 17-35 and the 28-70.  If they are
Nikkors, they both move both the front and rear elements while zooming.  At
least mine do!!
Bob
Rita Ä Berkowitz - 09 Sep 2006 00:30 GMT
>> There's no sliding with the old Nikon 70-200mm VR or the 17-35, but
>> the 28-70 moves in and out about 1/2".  No worries.  The 18-200
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> are Nikkors, they both move both the front and rear elements while
> zooming.  At least mine do!!

Yep, Nikkors.  I have mentioned this for the 28-70 and the 17-35 movement is
so slight and is hidden and protected by the filter I keep on the front.
Even with the 28-70's 1/2" of movement it's still a non-issue since you'll
never be able to create a negative pressure inside the lens no matter how
fast you turn the zoom ring.  Have you got internal dust in either of them
lenses?  I doubt it.

Rita
Robert Brace - 09 Sep 2006 03:59 GMT
>>> There's no sliding with the old Nikon 70-200mm VR or the 17-35, but
>>> the 28-70 moves in and out about 1/2".  No worries.  The 18-200
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> Rita

No, I have no dust issues with the lenses at all.  They have been in use on
F100, F4, F5 and both D2 series since 2001 as I recall and have performed
flawlessly.
Bob
Roger - 09 Sep 2006 07:36 GMT
>>> There's no sliding with the old Nikon 70-200mm VR or the 17-35, but
>>> the 28-70 moves in and out about 1/2".  No worries.  The 18-200
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>fast you turn the zoom ring.  Have you got internal dust in either of them
>lenses?  I doubt it.

All lenses breathe whether zoom or not. All these zoom lenses do
create a negative and positive pressure even with a slight movement of
the elements.  It's only a mater of degree between lenses. I've had
dust (just a single spec) in each of two lenses in over 40 years of
shooting.  One was a zoom and the other is not.

If you wont one that acts like a bellows, Try my 200 to 500 mm, but it
doesn't have any dust in it...yet.

>Rita
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Rita Ä Berkowitz - 09 Sep 2006 11:31 GMT
> All lenses breathe whether zoom or not. All these zoom lenses do
> create a negative and positive pressure even with a slight movement of
> the elements.  It's only a mater of degree between lenses. I've had
> dust (just a single spec) in each of two lenses in over 40 years of
> shooting.  One was a zoom and the other is not.

That's true and you said it better than me.  I do agree that with a moderate
amount of care for your lenses dust really isn't a problem.  I'm theorizing
that the dust entering the back of the lens where it is most vulnerable
causes most internal dust problems?  Most zooms seem to have a pretty robust
sealing and wiping system.

> If you wont one that acts like a bellows, Try my 200 to 500 mm, but it
> doesn't have any dust in it...yet.

That must be a beast?  What brand?  The Nikon 200-400mm is a beast as well.

Rita
 
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