Photo Forum / Digital Photography / DSLR Cameras / February 2005
EOS 300D vs. EOS 350D
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Vjeran Petrovic - 24 Feb 2005 11:01 GMT Hi guys. I'm just an average amateur photograph. Now I have EOS 500N with EF 35-80mm 1:4-5,6 and EF 80-2001:4,5-5,6 II, which I would like to change with digital SLR camera. Which digital camera is best for my needs? Should I wait to buy 350D, or 300D is just OK for me? Thnx.
jean - 24 Feb 2005 13:05 GMT For the small difference, get the 350, well worth it.
Jean
> Hi guys. > I'm just an average amateur photograph. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Should I wait to buy 350D, or 300D is just OK for me? > Thnx. Siddhartha Jain - 24 Feb 2005 13:55 GMT > Hi guys. > I'm just an average amateur photograph. > Now I have EOS 500N with EF 35-80mm 1:4-5,6 and EF 80-2001:4,5-5,6 II, which > I would like to change with digital SLR camera. > Which digital camera is best for my needs? > Should I wait to buy 350D, or 300D is just OK for me? Since you don't seem to have a significant investment in Canon lenses, why not look at the Nikon D70 as well? Btw, I own a Canon 300D and am satisfied with it.
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Larry - 24 Feb 2005 14:22 GMT > Since you don't seem to have a significant investment in Canon lenses, > why not look at the Nikon D70 as well? Btw, I own a Canon 300D and am > satisfied with it. > > - Siddhartha Question!!
Do you use the hacked firmware, or are you running it "stock???"
My interest is the difference between the NEW Drebel and the Old Drebel. I don't consider the difference between 6mp and 8mp to be important enough to go for the 350 over the 300.
It seems to me that the 300 w/firmware hack would give me everything I need, but Im looking for someone who has used the hack to fill me in.
Thanks in advance
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Robert R Kircher, Jr. - 24 Feb 2005 14:33 GMT >> Since you don't seem to have a significant investment in Canon lenses, >> why not look at the Nikon D70 as well? Btw, I own a Canon 300D and am [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > need, > but Im looking for someone who has used the hack to fill me in. I use the 300D with the firmware hack and the one thing that doesn't quite work is the selectable AF modes. That alone would steer me towards the 350D.
The other couple of items that would favor the 350D is selectable metering and the almost instant on.
JMHO
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Siddhartha Jain - 24 Feb 2005 14:43 GMT > I use the 300D with the firmware hack and the one thing that doesn't quite > work is the selectable AF modes. That alone would steer me towards the > 350D. I never got it clearly as to when to switch between the various AF modes. Could you explain?
> The other couple of items that would favor the 350D is selectable metering > and the almost instant on. Yes, if the difference is $200 then I don't mind paying it for the extra MP (however small it maybe) and improved manual control. That said, I am a bit disappointed in the decision to decrease the camera size. Some reviews also say it feels more *flimsier* than the 300D.
- Siddhartha
Larry - 24 Feb 2005 14:50 GMT > Yes, if the difference is $200 then I don't mind paying it for the > extra MP (however small it maybe) and improved manual control. That > said, I am a bit disappointed in the decision to decrease the camera > size. Some reviews also say it feels more *flimsier* than the 300D. > > - Siddhartha I'm a little "put off" by the smaller size myself.. I LIKE a good, big, heavy (withing reason) box, it aids in stability.
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Skip M - 25 Feb 2005 04:24 GMT > In article <1109256235.902890.9760@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, > losttoy2000 [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > heavy > (withing reason) box, it aids in stability. While not a fan of size and weight for their own sake, cameras are approaching the size that makes it hard for me to hold them. I had to get a grip for my 20D, or actually my wife got it for me for Christmas, so I could hold it comfortably. The Oly E-1 is too small for me to hold, for instance.
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Steve Wolfe - 25 Feb 2005 04:58 GMT > While not a fan of size and weight for their own sake, cameras are > approaching the size that makes it hard for me to hold them. I had to get a > grip for my 20D, or actually my wife got it for me for Christmas, so I could > hold it comfortably. The Oly E-1 is too small for me to hold, for instance. I think that design has more to do with it than just size - one of my cousins brought over a P&S the other day (I want to say that it was a Fuji, but I don't recall with certainty) that was *very* small, yet very easy to get a good grasp on it. I was impressed.
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Robert R Kircher, Jr. - 24 Feb 2005 14:56 GMT >> I use the 300D with the firmware hack and the one thing that doesn't > quite [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I never got it clearly as to when to switch between the various AF > modes. Could you explain? Well keep in mind that I'm not Pro but where I want to use selectable AF is for shooting action shots. For example, I was out taking pics of the kids sleigh riding and the Rebel was slow to automatically switch AF modes. I would have rather had the ability to set the AF mode to Predictive and leave it there. The current hack allows you to select modes but to get predictive mode to actually let the shutter release you have to flick it into manual mode when you ready to take the shot. Not all that practical.
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Larry - 24 Feb 2005 14:50 GMT > I use the 300D with the firmware hack and the one thing that doesn't quite > work is the selectable AF modes. That alone would steer me towards the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > JMHO First: Thanks for your input!
Im not too concerned about "instant on" as I usually just keep the camera on for the duration of shooting (I hit whatever button is needed to keep it awake and carry extra batteries). A given "class" at a horse show is usually about 10 to 20 minutes, with a short time between classes (long enough to change batteries, but just barely).
The focus problem concerns me though.. What part doesn't work.
The only function I can concieve of needing (in the ring) is FAST center area focus.. I dont want the camera to focus on anything outside the center of the frame. (I usually focus/reframe/shoot when using an SLR in the ring) If I can accomplish that I'll be a happy camper..
Then again, I always used Manual Focus on my film SLRs.. Having experimented with the DRebel for a bit, I was satisfied that I could go to Manual if needed, Im used to it after more than 40 years of manual film cameras, but a good, functioning center weighted Auto-Focus would be GREAT.
Metering isn't too important to me, as I usually shoot in full manual mode with a flash (currently using a SunPak 383) and a shutter speed of 1/160th or faster and arpeture set per the lighting/distance situation. (I can be as close as 20' or as far as 75' from the subject.
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Robert R Kircher, Jr. - 24 Feb 2005 15:27 GMT >> I use the 300D with the firmware hack and the one thing that doesn't >> quite [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > faster and arpeture set per the lighting/distance situation. (I can be as > close as 20' or as far as 75' from the subject. As I understand it the current rebel automatically switches from One Shot mode to Predictive depending on the subjects movement in the lens. Well I've found that this happens slowly. Could be because I'm doing something wrong but I haven't look into it.
The firmware hack provides for selectable focusing modes but when set to predictive the shutter doesn't work because the electronics won't signal the camera that its actual focused. The work around is to set the camera into Predictive, let it focus as the subject and then just as your ready to take the shot flick the lens into MF mode. Maybe you can get good at this with a bit of practice but its not all that practical.
Since you're shooting show horses predictive AF may not be that important or the time it takes the Rebel to switch may not cause a problem. However, I had problems trying to take pics of the kids sleigh riding. The camera wouldn't switch fast enough as the kids were whizzing by. Again, there maybe some trick to getting the Rebel to switch modes faster but I haven't found it.
As to manual focusing, I too come from the full manual type of camera (al be it very casual use) and I can tell you that being accustom to a split focus system on my manual camera, its not all that easy to focus the EOS lenses. Now I'm sure lots of people will say "sure it is, I do it all the time" but it sure isn't as easy as focusing my old manuals.
The Canon AF system does allow for user selectable focus points. I tend to set my Rebel to the center point but if I understand the metering correctly the active AF points is heavily weighted when determining correct exposure setting. Again (assuming I'm correct) if you're going to use manual mode this really doesn't matter much.
Flash compensation does work with the Hack, and I tend to use it a lot, along with setting the flash sync rate to 1/200.
All in all I've been very happy with my 300D, but IMO the hack is a necessity. In a few months I'll be in the marked for a second body and unless there is a 20D replacement due I think I just may go with the 350D. If the 350D wasn't released I'd be going with the 20D.
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Steve Wolfe - 25 Feb 2005 02:00 GMT > The focus problem concerns me though.. What part doesn't work. > > The only function I can concieve of needing (in the ring) is FAST center area > focus.. I dont want the camera to focus on anything outside the center of the > frame. (I usually focus/reframe/shoot when using an SLR in the ring) If I can > accomplish that I'll be a happy camper.. With the Digital Rebel I used, I simply set the AF zone to the center zone, and it worked just fine. I don't recall if automatic mode would override it, but I do remember that it remembered that I wanted the center AF zone.
steve
Siddhartha Jain - 24 Feb 2005 14:39 GMT > Question!! > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > It seems to me that the 300 w/firmware hack would give me everything I need, > but Im looking for someone who has used the hack to fill me in. Yep, put in the hacked firmware the very next day. There are several threads on dpreview forums discussing the hack and I don't recall coming across anyone who reported a problem with the hack. And although the hacked firmware voids warranty, no one's reported being returned the camera by Canon for using the hacked firmware when sent for repairs under warranty.
All functions work as advertised. Just make sure your batteries don't die while you are doing the upgrade and everything should be fine.
- Siddhartha
G.T. - 24 Feb 2005 16:59 GMT > > Since you don't seem to have a significant investment in Canon lenses, > > why not look at the Nikon D70 as well? Btw, I own a Canon 300D and am [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > It seems to me that the 300 w/firmware hack would give me everything I need, > but Im looking for someone who has used the hack to fill me in. I use it but will probably get a 350 because of the shorter start up time, better continuous shooting, and choice of focusing modes (the hack locks up when trying to choose focusing modes). Also, I have a feeling that the 350 is going to have better noise reduction.
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Alan Browne - 24 Feb 2005 15:12 GMT > Hi guys. > I'm just an average amateur photograph. > Now I have EOS 500N with EF 35-80mm 1:4-5,6 and EF 80-2001:4,5-5,6 II, which > I would like to change with digital SLR camera. > Which digital camera is best for my needs? > Should I wait to buy 350D, or 300D is just OK for me? What do you expect out of the camera?
If you make prints at 30x20 cm, then the 300D will do fine.
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Ferryck1 - 24 Feb 2005 18:36 GMT I think that 20x30 will be very rare format of pictures. Mostly I will print it on normal 10x15. I was also consider other cameras, not DSLR, but I want to keep zoom lens what I bought last year.
>> Hi guys. >> I'm just an average amateur photograph. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > If you make prints at 30x20 cm, then the 300D will do fine. Alan Browne - 24 Feb 2005 18:47 GMT > I think that 20x30 will be very rare format of pictures. > Mostly I will print it on normal 10x15. > I was also consider other cameras, not DSLR, but I want to keep zoom lens > what I bought last year. Please don't top post.
10x15 cm can be handilly done by the 300D. Or a 10D. or a D60. or a D30 for that matter. You might find high value in a used unit.
Cheers, Alan
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Woodchuck Bill - 25 Feb 2005 02:06 GMT > Please don't top post. In retrospect, maybe we should have written that into the charters. ;-)
(not that it would have made much of a difference)
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Alan Browne - 25 Feb 2005 15:27 GMT >>Please don't top post. > > In retrospect, maybe we should have written that into the charters. ;-) It is. Or are you just poking a stick?
> (not that it would have made much of a difference) If people would read the charters (link in the link below), and emulate the most common practise of others...
Cheers, Alan
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Woodchuck Bill - 26 Feb 2005 02:18 GMT >>>Please don't top post. >> >> In retrospect, maybe we should have written that into the >> charters. ;-) > > It is. Or are you just poking a stick? Sorry Alan, but there is no reference to either top or bottom posting in the original charters for the four new r.p.d* groups, including this group. I was thinking about bringing it up to you and Thad during the RFD, but by the time David and I had joined the team we were already on the fourth RFD and I didn't want to see the process drag on by going to a 5th RFD.
If this group has reached a consensus that top posting is the law of the land, however...then that is the way things should be done. For the record, I prefer bottom posting myself.
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Alan Browne - 26 Feb 2005 19:58 GMT > Sorry Alan, but there is no reference to either top or bottom posting > in the original charters for the four new r.p.d* groups, including this You're right! *Blush*. But it is in the non-offical 'user resource'.
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> group. I was thinking about bringing it up to you and Thad during the > RFD, but by the time David and I had joined the team we were already on > the fourth RFD and I didn't want to see the process drag on by going to > a 5th RFD. Thad and I had discussed it offline but thought that it would be a bit hard to push through, so kept it out. I did add it to the users-resource as a goal for the NG netiquette at http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm
> If this group has reached a consensus that top posting is the law of > the land, however...then that is the way things should be done. For the > record, I prefer bottom posting myself. It's the natural order of things. I consider most top posters/non-snippers to be at worst lazy, rude or having a slef serving interest, and at best ignorant of good practice.
Cheers, Alan
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Woodchuck Bill - 27 Feb 2005 03:12 GMT > I did add it to the users-resource as a goal for > the NG netiquette at http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm Cool!
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