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Photo Forum / Digital Photography / DSLR Cameras / February 2005Why we should all hope the D2X is great
I won't ever be buying one but any advance in design, image quality, or features only makes the other manufacturers try harder. I was really happy to see the Minolta come out with a body based system of image stabilization because the other camera manufacturers must now be taking good looks at that feature, especially if it sells well. Until digital took over Canon claimed the photojournalist market by dropping their lens prices to reasonable rates. Up until the 80's Nikon had owned that market and had got complacent. I am happy whenever I see new features become standard items on cameras. I think people looking for failure are a little messed up. > I won't ever be buying one but any advance in design, image quality, > or features only makes the other manufacturers try harder. I was [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > new features become standard items on cameras. I think people looking > for failure are a little messed up. Well, certainly I hope the D2X can provide some competition to Canon's rule of the professional market. Unfortunately, that just doesn't seem like it will be the case for those individuals who want low noise performance or full-frame imaging. Nor does the D2Hs seem like it will pull a significant share of the market from the 1D Mark II. It doesn't even look like it will retain the customers Nikon does have. So, a lot of hopes are pinned to the D2X to answer the Canon call. So, I would like to see Nikon compete with Canon on the high end. The problem is, they're not doing a very good job as far as I can tell. The thing is, I really, really want a full-frame 16+ megapixel camera. I want low noise and I don't want to pay for it. So the faster the two knuckleheads at the top race to get ahead of the other, the closer my dream comes to being a reality. > The thing is, I really, really want a full-frame 16+ megapixel camera. > I want low noise and I don't want to pay for it. So the faster the two > knuckleheads at the top race to get ahead of the other, the closer my > dream comes to being a reality. Me too. That, I agree with. Cheers, Alan  Signature-- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: there's no such thing as a FreeLunch. > > The thing is, I really, really want a full-frame 16+ megapixel camera. > > I want low noise and I don't want to pay for it. So the faster the two > > knuckleheads at the top race to get ahead of the other, the closer my > > dream comes to being a reality. > > Me too. That, I agree with. I think you're disagreeing more with your idea of Brian than actually WITH Brian. Brian finds this hilarious when his closet conservative friend accuses him of all sorts of liberal treachery, even when opinions on the subject have not been offered. Ok, I'll stop referring to myself in the third person now... Or will he? >>> The thing is, I really, really want a full-frame 16+ megapixel >>> camera. I want low noise and I don't want to pay for it. So the [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Ok, I'll stop referring to myself in the third person now... Or will > he? How does his employer refer to him? ... them? > > Brian finds this hilarious when his closet conservative friend accuses > > him of all sorts of liberal treachery, even when opinions on the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > How does his employer refer to him? ... them? "HEY! YOU!" >>>The thing is, I really, really want a full-frame 16+ megapixel camera. >>>I want low noise and I don't want to pay for it. So the faster the two [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I think you're disagreeing more with your idea of Brian than actually > WITH Brian. Just accept the two phrases as the simple statements they are. I'll even upgrade the second sentence as follows: "I agree with Brian on this." How's that? Cheers, Alan. Signature-- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: there's no such thing as a FreeLunch. > >>>The thing is, I really, really want a full-frame 16+ megapixel camera. > >>>I want low noise and I don't want to pay for it. So the faster the two > >>>knuckleheads at the top race to get ahead of the other, the closer my > >>>dream comes to being a reality. > >> > >>Me too. That, I agree with. > > I think you're disagreeing more with your idea of Brian than actually > > WITH Brian. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > How's that? Nope. I demand total loyalty to my reality. Anything less would be... unacceptable. > I won't ever be buying one but any advance in design, image quality, > or features only makes the other manufacturers try harder. I was [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > new features become standard items on cameras. I think people looking > for failure are a little messed up. Altogether well said. Looking for 'failure' is not all bad. Making it one's sole mission in life is. Cheers, Alan. Signature-- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: there's no such thing as a FreeLunch. This is all a bit like rooting for a team. We are all diehard fans of one brand or another, and win or lose we will still be diehard fans. Competition is good for everybody. It's just that some companies tend to take a wait see, while others try to be on the cutting edge. The hope is that everybody keeps moving forward. Personally, I'm very happy with my D70, and will be until something comes along (from Nikon) that blows it away at a reasonable price. Heck, my old F's still take great photos. I just have to work around the fact that they don't focus for me, and I have to think a bit more when it comes to exposure. And I kept my old point and shoot digital until it would still point, but wouldn't shoot anymore. Just remember, it's not the camera but the person behind the lens that makes or breaks a picture. >I won't ever be buying one but any advance in design, image quality, > or features only makes the other manufacturers try harder. I was [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > new features become standard items on cameras. I think people looking > for failure are a little messed up. > This is all a bit like rooting for a team. We are all diehard fans of one > brand or another, and win or lose we will still be diehard fans. > Competition is good for everybody. It's just that some companies tend to > take a wait see, while others try to be on the cutting edge. The hope is > that everybody keeps moving forward. Or, are we? I like my Canon but I no die-hard Canon fan. Nor am I a Nikon hater. And I own a nice film Minolta SLR too. Die-hard fanatism only produces an Apple ;-) Very nice but over-priced. - Siddhartha > > This is all a bit like rooting for a team. We are all diehard fans > of one [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Die-hard fanatism only produces an Apple ;-) Very nice but over-priced. Yeah, but the price of those PowerBooks G4s has been dropping precipitously lately. No doubt Apple is getting ready to roll out a new product line, but I am looking at replacing the ThinkPad. For what I spend on the G4 I can replace the ThinkPad and all my software and still have money left over. The only downside is the PowerBooks is 1.67 GHz while the ThinkPad would be 1.8 GHz. OTOH, I would be getting a bigger hard drive, more memory, a 17" screen instead of a 15" screen, and a better DVD writer. Also, IBM has been making noises that the ThinkPad is a money loser, so getting another one could mean an orphaned machine. I could go Dell, but that is no cheaper. I think the PowerBooks is bug ugly, but I could probably live with it. IBM sold off the entire ThinkPad line to a company in China about a month or two ago... >> > This is all a bit like rooting for a team. We are all diehard fans >> of one [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > an orphaned machine. I could go Dell, but that is no cheaper. I think the > PowerBooks is bug ugly, but I could probably live with it. > IBM sold off the entire ThinkPad line to a company in China about a month or > two ago... It's not a done deal. The federal government has some national- security concerns that will have to be addressed before the sale can proceed. http://triangle.bizjournals.com/triangle/stories/2005/02/21/daily24.html SignatureBen Rosengart (212) 741-4400 x215 Sometimes it only makes sense to focus our attention on those questions that are equal parts trivial and intriguing. --Josh Micah Marshall [ ... ] >> Die-hard fanatism only produces an Apple ;-) Very nice but over-priced. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >only downside is the PowerBooks is 1.67 GHz while the ThinkPad would be 1.8 >GHz. However, the PowerBook is running a RISC processor, while the ThinkPad would be a CISC processor. CISC is better to an assembly-language programmer, but RISC can produce much faster code using the output from a compiler (which describes most programs these days, except for extreme die-hards), so you will probably get better performance from the PowerBook. Note that I am not a particular fan of either Microsoft's OSs or those from Apple, preferring a nice unix system, but from here, it looks like a wash in speeds. If I had a PowerBook I would probably install some unix variant like OpenBSD on it. > OTOH, I would be getting a bigger hard drive, more memory, a 17" screen >instead of a 15" screen, and a better DVD writer. Also, IBM has been making >noises that the ThinkPad is a money loser, so getting another one could mean >an orphaned machine. I could go Dell, but that is no cheaper. I think the >PowerBooks is bug ugly, but I could probably live with it. Ugly doesn't bother me, as long as it does what I ask of it. And for the purposes of this newsgroup, I would think that the better DVD writer would be a win -- transfer your camera's flash cards (or whatever format it uses) into the computer, and then immediately burn a DVD-ROM of it to protect against crashes. *And* you would not be entrusting your photos to a machine running the target of all those virus-writers out there. :-) (The thought of having a particularly good image get infected with a virus is particularly painful, though there are ways around the problem once it occurs, as long as the image data is preserved.) Enjoy, DoN. SignatureEmail: <dnichols@d-and-d.com> | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- > Note that I am not a particular fan of either Microsoft's OSs or those > from Apple, preferring a nice unix system, but from here, it looks like > a wash in speeds. If I had a PowerBook I would probably install some > unix variant like OpenBSD on it. The Mac OS *is* a Unix variant like OpenBSD. (More like FreeBSD, from the user's perspective.) SignatureJeremy | jeremy@exit109.com >> Note that I am not a particular fan of either Microsoft's OSs or those >> from Apple, preferring a nice unix system, but from here, it looks like [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >The Mac OS *is* a Unix variant like OpenBSD. (More like FreeBSD, from >the user's perspective.) However, from dealing with OS-X (the only version which is built on a unix underpinning) by long distance (e.g. making suggestions to a friend and then seeing what he turns up), certain parts of it are *very* difficult to get to -- with even the root account locked out (except perhaps when booting to single-user mode.) Filesystems are really strange on there -- especially with older disks mounted from earlier versions of Mac's previous OS. And the GUI designed to maintain compatibility with older programs, and to preserve the "Mac experience", is a major overhead, even compared to running X11 (the usual Unix windowing system) on the same hardware. So -- *I* would kick aside the OS-X, and install OpenBSD from scratch, so I had a unix that *behaved* like a unix. :-) Enjoy, DoN. SignatureEmail: <dnichols@d-and-d.com> | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- > Yeah, but the price of those PowerBooks G4s has been dropping precipitously > lately. No doubt Apple is getting ready to roll out a new product line, but > I am looking at replacing the ThinkPad. For what I spend on the G4 I can > replace the ThinkPad and all my software and still have money left over. The > only downside is the PowerBooks is 1.67 GHz while the ThinkPad would be 1.8 > GHz. Fanatism also produces the likes of Digital. Very nice, but no longer in production ;-) - Siddhartha > This is all a bit like rooting for a team. We are all diehard fans of one > brand or another, There's at least one person here who just likes to make images. Oh sure, the equipment for doing that is cool in and of itself. But that's a distraction from the main point, as far as I'm concerned. SignatureBen Rosengart (212) 741-4400 x215 Sometimes it only makes sense to focus our attention on those questions that are equal parts trivial and intriguing. --Josh Micah Marshall |
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