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Sensor Cleaning - Question

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Gerrit 't Hart - 27 Aug 2006 06:48 GMT
First up let me tell you I don't own a DSLR nor have I ever seen inside one.
I do wish to progress to one as I have (for a long time) been using a film
SLR and my P&S digital doesn't satisfy.
So call me stupid, dumb, etc I don't mind.
But if you do please tell me why my question does/suggestion does not work.
My question is this: If the sensor gathers dust when lenses are being
changed on the DSLR why don't the manufacturers put a high quality glass
cover over the sensor which can be easily cleaned with a lens polishing
cloth when the lens is removed and the mirror lifted out of the way?

Thanks in advance.

Gerrit
Sheldon - 27 Aug 2006 07:08 GMT
> First up let me tell you I don't own a DSLR nor have I ever seen inside
> one.
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>
> Gerrit

Just my opinion, but you are actually cleaning a filter over the sensor and
not the sensor itself.  Part of the problem is that the sensor is so far
down in there it would be difficult to just go in there with a polishing
cloth.
Rebecca Ore - 27 Aug 2006 07:14 GMT
> My question is this: If the sensor gathers dust when lenses are being
> changed on the DSLR why don't the manufacturers put a high quality glass
> cover over the sensor which can be easily cleaned with a lens polishing
> cloth when the lens is removed and the mirror lifted out of the way?

There's something called a low-pass filter over the actual sensor --
and that's what we clean. Since it's so close to the actual sensor,
"cleaning marks" would be a bad idea (I've got a Minolta Autocord that
has cleaning marks all over the front element, but they don't have a
particularly serious effect on the lens since they're a bit farther
away from the film).

Most of the dust can be blown off -- and that which can't often comes
off with a fine brush.

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Prometheus - 27 Aug 2006 07:39 GMT
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<44f13219$0$10796$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>, Gerrit
't Hart <gthart@sad.au> writes
>First up let me tell you I don't own a DSLR nor have I ever seen inside one.
>I do wish to progress to one as I have (for a long time) been using a film
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>cover over the sensor which can be easily cleaned with a lens polishing
>cloth when the lens is removed and the mirror lifted out of the way?

Most, if not all, do put high quality glass over the sensor. The various
specialized cleaning tools are ways of reaching it, and of reaching your
money.

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Alan Browne - 27 Aug 2006 16:44 GMT
> First up let me tell you I don't own a DSLR nor have I ever seen inside one.
> I do wish to progress to one as I have (for a long time) been using a film
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> cover over the sensor which can be easily cleaned with a lens polishing
> cloth when the lens is removed and the mirror lifted out of the way?

The sensor already has a high quality glass cover over it.  That's where
the dust is sticking!  And it's a pain to clean easily.

But, maybe you mean another glass piece that is larger and more easilly
accessed?  This would be further from the sensor plane proper, so:

Every glass element adds "defect" to the light path, increases flare,
decreases contrast and resolution.  (eg: IS and VR lenses resolve less
than their non-IS/VR counterparts).

Further, a glass element at the location you describe would pass light
rays that are at non-right angles to it (except dead center) and so
would make a minor change in the focal plane as well as creating
chromatic aberration towards the edges/corners of the image.  The focal
plane is easilly fixed through focusing, but the chromatic aberration
could not be for all focal lengths.

The idea you propose is not new, not stupid, not dumb, and it does have
merit, but compared to the drawbacks, just doesn't carry the day.

Cheers,
Alan

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ian - 29 Aug 2006 22:47 GMT
>> First up let me tell you I don't own a DSLR nor have I ever seen inside
>> one.
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> Cheers,
> Alan

The sensors themselves if you attempted to clean them would be permanently
damaged.  Each one is only 4 or 5 microns in size. They each have a micro
lens on top.  There is already some kind of coating or glass over the top.
Usually an infra red filter.  Never use conventional lens cleaning fluid and
never use a blower brush.  The typical £1.99 brushes are nylon and are
statically charged as soon as air passes through them.  You will have more
dust than when you started.  Use a big blower bulb only and never ever touch
the sensor with anything.
 
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