> Margins are the first casualty of true
> competition. This is very good news for consumers.
Unless of course margins drop to the point where they can no longer afford
to invest needed amounts in R & D - in which case it's not so good news for
consumers.
frederick - 25 Aug 2006 07:04 GMT
>> Margins are the first casualty of true
>> competition. This is very good news for consumers.
>
> Unless of course margins drop to the point where they can no longer afford
> to invest needed amounts in R & D - in which case it's not so good news for
> consumers.
While Canon, Nikon, Sony, Asahi Pentax remain substantially or entirely
Japanese owned and managed, I suspect R&D expenditure would be about the
last thing they cut.
> Only one month (but obviously there's only one month's data anyway!)
> Seems Canon has taken a far bigger hit from Sony than Nikon in the
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>
> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601101&sid=a1tNArNUlcUU
There have been months of pent-up demand for an Alpha mount camera.
Without seeing how many SLRs are actually being sold, it would be wrong
to infer too much from a comparison of market share over just one whole
month.
I am surprised to see Olympus so far behind the competition. Their
cameras seemed quite competitive to me.
Cheers,
Luke

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Pete D - 25 Aug 2006 09:40 GMT
Yes, it would include preordered and advance sales, etc.
>> Only one month (but obviously there's only one month's data anyway!)
>> Seems Canon has taken a far bigger hit from Sony than Nikon in the
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> Cheers,
> Luke
sierra - 25 Aug 2006 13:39 GMT
What manufacturer of batteries does Sony cameras use - or shouldn't we
ask?
Pete D - 25 Aug 2006 22:08 GMT
> What manufacturer of batteries does Sony cameras use - or shouldn't we
> ask?
No idea but it is a worry, glad my Pentax uses AA,s and my Sony V1 has a
tiny little battery that couldn't blow your nose if it exploded. ;-)
John McWilliams - 25 Aug 2006 16:21 GMT
>> Only one month (but obviously there's only one month's data anyway!)
>> Seems Canon has taken a far bigger hit from Sony than Nikon in the
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> to infer too much from a comparison of market share over just one whole
> month.
Bingo.
I think the releases from Canon will benefit all users, as did the Nikon
offerings a while back. I don't think we can say margins are crumbling
based on pricing; manufacturing prices could well be lower, and R+D on
most components amortized.

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frederick - 25 Aug 2006 23:30 GMT
>>> Only one month (but obviously there's only one month's data anyway!)
>>> Seems Canon has taken a far bigger hit from Sony than Nikon in the
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> based on pricing; manufacturing prices could well be lower, and R+D on
> most components amortized.
Data on market share week by week over a couple of months is here:
http://tinyurl.com/z988x
Sure - initial high "pent up" demand for the a100 skews results - ending
in the a 100 at about 12% and falling.
But the comments from BCN may also indicate that the market may be
maturing, this poorly translated text seems to indicate that sales
volume overall isn't increasing. (or didn't increase when Sony appeared)
"It is found in other words, SONY “ate” that 2 strongly, especially
CANON share rather. In addition, PENTAX with “PENTAX K100D” July 14%,
has almost expanded share to time from June 7.6%, CANON and Nikon are
the appearance which is taken share even to this. At the beginning, user
layer of the digital single-lens reflex camera spread with the SONY and
Matsushita entry, also enlargement of the market itself was expected,
but looks at such if “it fights and” movement, it seems that “the pie
enlargement” effect has not been produced yet, bears the intensification
of more competition."
TW - 26 Aug 2006 15:41 GMT
Olympus made a big mistake in changing lens mount and abandoning existing
format. Two key changes at the same time in a highly competitive market
contribute the current situation.
>> Only one month (but obviously there's only one month's data anyway!)
>> Seems Canon has taken a far bigger hit from Sony than Nikon in the
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> Cheers,
> Luke