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Photo Forum / Digital Photography / DSLR Cameras / August 2006A Passing Of Note
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14457191/ Relates to one of the most famous photos in world history. Jay B > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14457191/ > > Relates to one of the most famous photos in world history. He always seemed to downplay what it took to get that picture. >> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14457191/ >> >> Relates to one of the most famous photos in world history. >> >He always seemed to downplay what it took to get that picture. Of course, it's arranged! :-) -espen  Signaturehttp://www.seland.org/ The picture was the stagged only because it was felt by others that in the original picture the U.S., flag that was used was too small, taken by Lou Lowery. 10AM, Feb. 23, 1945. Remember this man was an unarmed photographer in a combat zone and many Marines died taking Mt. Surabachi and died in the weeks following until the island was captured. http://www.iwojima.com/raising/raisingb.htm No matter were you live in the world, you should appreciate that these men defeated the axis powers. "ALL gave some. Some gave ALL." > >> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14457191/ > >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > -espen > The picture was the stagged only because it was felt by others that in > the original picture the U.S., flag that was used was too small, taken [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > "ALL gave some. Some gave ALL." Right on. Neither is the picture an attempt to deceive anyone. Yes, it is a staged re-enactment of an event that happened a little earlier (and he took pictures of the actual event, too), but that does not make the picture dishonest, unrealistic, or wrong. This photographer thought his message was so important that he had to pay attention to every detail and get it right. He was always truthful, as far as I know, about how the picture was taken. And while we could wish he kept better records as to who was at the original flag-raising and how he set everything up, I don't suppose that any of us could have done any better, under fire, in the heat of battle. > Right on. Neither is the picture an attempt to deceive anyone. Yes, it > is a staged re-enactment of an event that happened a little earlier [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > everything up, I don't suppose that any of us could have done any > better, under fire, in the heat of battle. CJ, IIRC, there was a show on TV a couple of years ago where they took the Iwo Jima photo and through modern photograpic forensics were able to ID most if not all of the flag raisers. I'm pretty sure that they had confirmed that three of the Marines died within the next week during ongoing combat ops on the island. Jay B > > Right on. Neither is the picture an attempt to deceive anyone. Yes, it > > is a staged re-enactment of an event that happened a little earlier [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > I'm pretty sure that they had confirmed that three of the Marines died > within the next week during ongoing combat ops on the island. I would like to have seen that. The by Rosenthal photo was not "staged." "Staging" a photo is generally defined as a set-up for the sake of the photo itself. Rosenthal had noting to do with the changing the flag. The commander of the Marine battalion that took the mountain reportedly decided that the the 4.5 foot flag originally raised was too small to be seen from the landing beaches and ordered that it be replaced by a larger, 8' flag. The raising of that 8' flag is the scene Rosenthal caught. Therefore, as the reasons for the change had nothing to do with a "photo op" and Rosenthal had nothing to do with the decision, one can not reasonably call it "staged." And Rosenthal did not shoot the initial flag raising. He wasn't even on the mountain at the time of the initial raising. In fact, in later interviews Rosenthal stated that he almost didn't go up the mountain after learning that the flag had already been raised. The photos of the initial raising of the "small" flag were captured by a USMC sergeant named Lou Lowery, a photographer for Leatherneck. Sgt Lowery, unfortunately, was KIA later in the campaign. KMA > Right on. Neither is the picture an attempt to deceive anyone. Yes, it > is a staged re-enactment of an event that happened a little earlier [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > everything up, I don't suppose that any of us could have done any > better, under fire, in the heat of battle. > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14457191/ > > Relates to one of the most famous photos in world history. I've been reading the book about the boys in that photo: "Flags of Our Fathers" by James Bradley. Excellent book. Randy. Regardless of how the photo was made it has become possibly the most famous American photo ever made, an iconic image of an age and time. That is an awesome achievement that none of us reading this newsgroup is likely to duplicate. When I read Mr. Rosenthal's obituary I began to think of comparably famous photographic images, images that would be known to the general American public and not just photocognescenti. Portraits of Lincoln? Truman holding the Dewy beats Truman newspaper? Oswald reacting to being shot? The photo of a Vietnamese general executing a viet cong? Earthrise from lunar orbit? Others . . . . . .? > Regardless of how the photo was made it has become possibly the most > famous American photo ever made, an iconic image of an age and time. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Others . . . . . .? Various of Ansel Adams's images which have been made into posters The publicity shot of Marilyn Monroe over a subway grate. (In that case, the subject is far better known than the photographer.) SignatureJoe Makowiec http://makowiec.org/ Email: http://makowiec.org/contact/?Joe > Regardless of how the photo was made it has become possibly the most famous > American photo ever made, an iconic image of an age and time. No question about that. Anyone who has an objection to a 'posed' picture needs to study this one some more. > That is an awesome achievement that none of us reading this newsgroup is > likely to duplicate. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Others . . . . . .? The girl looking at the body of a student shot at Kent State. The crosshairs of a cruise missile centered on the window of a building in Baghdad. The reflection of the earth in the faceplate of Neil Armstrong. The mushroom cloud over Hiroshima. The lone student standing up to a tank at Tiananman Square. The fireman carrying a dead baby from the Oklahoma City bombing. >Others . . . . . .? The sailor kissing a girl in Times Square after the end of WWII: http://ivizlab.sfu.ca/arya/Gallery/Photos/VjDayKiss.jpg Ansel Adams photo of Half Dome with the (almost) Full Moon: http://web.mit.edu/elerrina/www/pics/ansel/moon_and_half_dome-sm.jpg Afghani girl (National Geographic photo): http://ivizlab.sfu.ca/arya/Gallery/Photos/AfghanGirl.jpg Man standing in front of tanks, Tienanman Square: http://ivizlab.sfu.ca/arya/Gallery/Photos/Tiananmen-tn.jpg Muybridge - photos of horses trotting, galloping: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/73/The_Horse_in_Motion.jpg /250px-The_Horse_in_Motion.jpg Naked girl running from napalm attack in Vietnam: http://ivizlab.sfu.ca/arya/Gallery/Photos/Vietnam-2.jpg Kent State: http://www.uiowa.edu/~policult/assets/VietNam/KentState.jpg I hesitate to mention this one, as I don't want this thread heading off into conspiracy theories, but almost everyone in the US above a "certain age" has seen the Zapruder film frames of the Kennedy Assassination, and the photo of Jack Ruby shooting Lee Harvey Oswald. John John saluting at his father's funeral: http://www.koelle.dk/pictures/salute.jpg In SF and in sports "The Catch" is a famous photo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Catch_(American_football)> jc Signature"The nice thing about a mare is you get to ride a lot of different horses without having to own that many." ~ Eileen Morgan of The Mare's Nest, PA I don't disagree with the iconic status of the images in your list, however: Any Images of JFK being shot come from Zapruder's 8mm home movie and the famous image of John Jr saluting at JFKs funeral is one single frame from newsreel footage. I may be wrong (and I'd appreciate being educated if I am...) but AFAIK there are not any true still photos (ie ... not from a movie camera) of either event. Good list though. Jay Beckman Chandler, AZ > I don't disagree with the iconic status of the images in your list, > however: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > there are not any true still photos (ie ... not from a movie camera) of > either event. The only still photos of JFK's assassination were taken from the sewers by the Mafia photographer Castro sent with the Cuban assassins. >> I don't disagree with the iconic status of the images in your list, >> however: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > The only still photos of JFK's assassination were taken from the sewers > by the Mafia photographer Castro sent with the Cuban assassins. Ah, that clears it up, then! All along I thought those mafiasos cubanos were photographing disguised as AP guys.... Signaturejohn mcwilliams >> Others . . . . . .? > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Catch_(American_football)> Nice list; thanks. SignatureJohn McWilliams > ... Earthrise from lunar orbit? Maybe it's the sneaky title that does it for that one. Since the Moon shows us the same face all the time the Earth is stationary in the sky and does not rise or set... Mike. SignatureIf reply address = connectfee, add an r because it is free not fee. >> ... Earthrise from lunar orbit? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Mike. But the title says from lunar ORBIT, not from the moon. If you are in orbit around the moon, the Earth will appear to rise and fall from your view as you round the moon or go back behind it. > >> ... Earthrise from lunar orbit? > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > orbit around the moon, the Earth will appear to rise and fall from > your view as you round the moon or go back behind it. That was my understanding. I think the original caption in Life described it as earthrise as the astronauts rounded the backside of the moon. >>> ... Earthrise from lunar orbit? >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > orbit around the moon, the Earth will appear to rise and fall from > your view as you round the moon or go back behind it. Ah, I see, just not the sort of "rise" I'm used to! Mike. SignatureIf reply address = connectfee, add an r because it is free not fee. > Regardless of how the photo was made it has become possibly the most famous > American photo ever made, an iconic image of an age and time. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > photographic images, images that would be known to the general American > public and not just photocognescenti. I dunno about Americans, but for those of us in Europe this one is a candidate: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Red_army_soldiers_raising_the_soviet_flag_on_ the_roof_of_the_reichstag_berlin_germany.jpg#file Andrew. |
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