Home | Contact Us | FAQ | Search & Site Map | Link to Us
Sign In | Join | Other 45 Sites in Network
PhotoKB Home
Discussion Groups
Digital Photography
Digital PhotoDSLR CamerasZLR CamerasPoint & Shoot Cameras
Film Photography
35 mmLarge FormatMedium formatDarkroomFilm and LabsOther Equipment
Photo Technique
Nature PhotographyPeople PhotographyTechnique General
General Photo Topics
General TopicsAustralian PhotographyUK Photography
DirectoryPhoto Clubs

Photo Forum / Digital Photography / DSLR Cameras / August 2006

Tip: Looking for answers? Try searching our database.

Nikon R1 Wireless Close-up Speedlight System

Thread view: 
Enable EMail Alerts  Start New Thread
Thread rating: 
cjcampbell - 21 Aug 2006 04:25 GMT
This kit is identical to the R1C1 Wireless Close-up Speedlight System,
except it does not include the SU-80 Speedlight Commander. You would
only want this commander if you did not already have the SB-800
Speedlight (or if you wanted to use the SB-800 somewhere else and you
did not want to buy another one) and/or the camera does not have a
Nikon commander mode for its built-in flash. The Nikon D70/D70s
commander modes are not as powerful as the SU-80. Some people here have
noted that the D70/D70s built-in flash cannot be used to contribute
light when it is in commander mode, but that is not true. Although not
documented in the manual, you can use the flash lock function to make
the flash fire when in commander mode.

R1 Wireless Close-up is a bit of a misnomer, as this kit's utility goes
far beyond mere close-ups. In fact, it is not even a complete close-up
kit if you are using the 60mm f/2.8 micro-Nikkor. You will still need
the UR-5 adaptor ring if you want to mount the Speedlight ring on the
front of the lens and still focus as closely as possible. Otherwise,
the included 62mm adaptor works just fine on this lens. The UR-5 is
unnecessary on any of the other micro-Nikkors. The kit includes a set
of five adaptor rings in 52mm, 62mm, 67mm, 72mm and 77mm sizes.

The SB-R200 Speedlights can be used as remotes only. They cannot even
be mounted on a flash shoe without an adaptor. The kit includes
adaptors for mounting the SB-R200s on standard tripod screws, flash
brackets, and just setting them on a table. The SB-R200s may also be
used handheld, either by the model, assistants, or the photographer.
This can be useful in close-up photography, for example, when you might
want to light a subject from below or to the side. The SB-R200s use
CR123A lithium batteries (as does the SU-80). Nikon does not seem to
like standard AA batteries, considering them to be too weak and having
too short a life to be truly useful.

The kit also includes two close-up diffuser adaptors for the SB-R200s.
These work very well in eliminating harsh shadows, as does the included
diffuser sheet.

Controls include two dials for channel and group, an ON/OFF switch, and
test flash button. That is it. The system is very simple to use. The
manuals and examples, unfortunately, all assume that the remotes are
being controlled by the SU-80, so you will have to dig around your
other manuals to figure out how to use the SB-800 or internal flash of
your camera as a commander. The strobes also have connectors for wired
control in the event that the flash is out of range or oriented in such
a way that it cannot read the commander. I could want a little more
travel for the tilt heads on these units. It would be very nice if the
flash mount would fold flat against the sensor for storage and
protection.

Even though the built-in flash is not supposed to contribute light to a
scene when it is in commander mode, it can, especially in close-up
photography. A light shield which fits on the flash shoe and blocks the
flash is included for this reason (the shield does not block the
commander signals).

The Advanced Wireless System used by this system allows the strobes to
be placed in three groups, each with their own exposure adjustments or
even set to manual. Each group is practically limited to three strobes
(otherwise all the light is too bright for them to read properly), but
there is no actual limit. You could have a hundred strobes in each
group if you wanted.

As with any flash system, you should not abuse it by repeatedly firing
it before it is fully charged, as this is a good way to cause it to
overheat.

If you already have an SB-800 flash or a Nikon built-in flash and are
considering additional strobes such as the SB-600 or another SB-800,
this kit is worth a look. These smaller strobes pack easily (they come
with their own pouches) and are really all you would need for many
applications.
Rita Ä Berkowitz - 21 Aug 2006 09:19 GMT
> The SB-R200 Speedlights can be used as remotes only. They cannot even
> be mounted on a flash shoe without an adaptor. The kit includes
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> to like standard AA batteries, considering them to be too weak and
> having too short a life to be truly useful.

How are the recycle times on the SB-R200s in real world applications?  I've
heard they are terribly slow.

Rita
cjcampbell - 21 Aug 2006 10:53 GMT
> > The SB-R200 Speedlights can be used as remotes only. They cannot even
> > be mounted on a flash shoe without an adaptor. The kit includes
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> How are the recycle times on the SB-R200s in real world applications?  I've
> heard they are terribly slow.

I haven't noticed. The manual says 6 seconds, but with fresh batteries
it is faster than that. The ready light comes on in less than a second.
I am still at the set it up, take a shot or two, adjust the lighting or
move things, take another shot, etc., stage. I'll let you know if I
ever go after the local bats, a project I have been considering for
some time. (I know a fairly constricted area that the bats fly through
all the time -- set up a few flash units and wireless trip and I might
get lucky. Of course, it could make the bats really blind as, um,
bats.) But they seem to recycle fairly fast; faster than the SB-800
with four batteries. Of course, the SB-800 is not particularly fast
with only four batteries.

I do not think that the SB-R200 is really intended for fast action.
Although the Advanced Wireless Lighting system is capable of repeating
flash, the manual notes that the SB-R200 is not usable in that mode --
which should raise some red flags about the capability of this flash
for any fast action. Recycling speed could be a problem if you are
trying to get that fleeting expression on a model's face. That is not
something I would do regularly, but a pro would almost certainly find
it annoying.

But it gets worse.

I would think that the major limitation on the SB-R200 is that if you
trip off even four shots (at six frames per second) at 1/8 power you
have to let it cool for ten minutes. I suspect that some pros would
consider such a limitation grounds for immediate defenestration. Less
power and you can take more frames, but the fact remains that this
flash is not designed for rapid fire work. If you really need quick
recycling times, your best bet would be the SB-600 or SB-800 using
external power supplies and, if you want to use them as if they were
mounted on the lens, mounting brackets.

One way around that, I suppose, would be to use two groups of SB-R200s
and alternate between the two. It probably says volumes about this
flash that all the examples that Nikon gives with this flash are taken
with the D70 and all the example setups in the manual are also with the
D70. Sure, you could mount an SU-800 Commander on a D2xs and set up a
bunch of SB-R200s and start blasting away in high speed mode; you might
get three or four shots and then you are done for ten minutes.
FLASH-FLASH-FLASH. "Okay, break, everybody." "But we just had a break!"
"Another break, so shut up already." Nope, I don't see it working in an
environment like that.

I have a few corrections to what I posted earlier. It is the SU-800
commander, not the SU-80. And the Nikon D70's built-in flash cannot
control the SB-R200 and still contribute flash. The way you do it with
the SB-800 is that you use flash lock and TTL for the built-in flash.
The SB-800 has to be set to SU-4 mode, something I had forgotten. The
SB-R200 has no SU-4 mode. Also, the manual flash button is not that at
all; it turns on the target (focus assist) light.
Rita Ä Berkowitz - 22 Aug 2006 01:55 GMT
>> How are the recycle times on the SB-R200s in real world
>> applications?  I've heard they are terribly slow.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> fast; faster than the SB-800 with four batteries. Of course, the
> SB-800 is not particularly fast with only four batteries.

Thanks for all the great info.  I was excited about getting this flash when
Nikon announced it and lost most of that excitement when I read about the
recycle times.  I was teetering on the fence on whether or not to buy it,
but seeing that it can get off a few consecutive shots don't sound too bad
for me.  It is what it is and I don't expect it to compete with my SB800s.
My excitement is getting renewed.  Thanks again.

Rita
tomm42 - 21 Aug 2006 14:25 GMT
> > The SB-R200 Speedlights can be used as remotes only. They cannot even
> > be mounted on a flash shoe without an adaptor. The kit includes
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Rita

I've used them for 1:2 and 1: mags only. There is a problem using the
camera as the commander in these cases (D200). There isn't enough
compensation built into the camera (one stop) to cover the extra flash
you need for the magnification. So I've been using them on 1/16 and 1/8
power. This works fine and the recycle times are almost instant. There
is a shutter lag in camera operation due to the flash communication.

Tom
Rita Ä Berkowitz - 22 Aug 2006 01:56 GMT
> I've used them for 1:2 and 1: mags only. There is a problem using the
> camera as the commander in these cases (D200). There isn't enough
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> There is a shutter lag in camera operation due to the flash
> communication.

Thanks, I've been using a pair of SB800s and find them well suited for the
job of lighting, but the bulk is a killer.  Seeing that the R1 kit need be
turned down is encouraging since it gives us a bit of leeway.  I'll bet this
saves batteries?  How is battery life with these things?

Rita
 
Sign In
Join
My Latest Posts
My Monitored Threads
My Blog
My Photo Gallery
My Profile
My Homepage

Start New Thread
Enable EMail Alerts
Rate this Thread



©2009 Advenet LLC   Privacy Policy - Terms of Use
This website includes both content owned or controlled by Advenet as well as content owned or controlled by third parties.