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Is there a new Canon SLR to be announced end of August??? Think I read it somewhere recently. Thanks. > Is there a new Canon SLR to be announced end of August??? Most likely there is. Wait till next week for the official announcements to be published.  SignatureBart As there are rebates even in the uk for the 5D i should think an upgrade to this camera is likely. >> Is there a new Canon SLR to be announced end of August??? > > Most likely there is. Wait till next week for the official announcements > to be published. > As there are rebates even in the uk for the 5D i should think an upgrade to > this camera is likely. The 5D is not very old at all. The 30D does not compete well with its pixel happy competitor, the Nikon D200 ... so I suspect something along that line, if anything at all. SignatureThomas T. Veldhouse Key Fingerprint: 2DB9 813F F510 82C2 E1AE 34D0 D69D 1EDC D5EC AED1 >> As there are rebates even in the uk for the 5D i should think an upgrade to >> this camera is likely. > > The 5D is not very old at all. The 30D does not compete well with its pixel > happy competitor, the Nikon D200 I strongly disagree. Anyone who compares the photos produced by the two cameras has seen that the extra two megapixels isn't worth the price of admission with the D200... UNLESS you're an avid Nikon fan, and either have a lot of Nikon glass, or like buying Nikon for the sake of having a Nikon. SignatureE-mail fudged to thwart spammers. Transpose the c's and a's in my e-mail address to reply. >>> As there are rebates even in the uk for the 5D i should think an >>> upgrade to this camera is likely. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > have a lot of Nikon glass, or like buying Nikon for the sake of having a > Nikon. or you want a big bright viewfinder... >> The 5D is not very old at all. The 30D does not compete well with its pixel >> happy competitor, the Nikon D200 [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >have a lot of Nikon glass, or like buying Nikon for the sake of having a >Nikon. There's a lot more to it than pixels or favouritism. >>> As there are rebates even in the uk for the 5D i should think an upgrade to >>> this camera is likely. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > have a lot of Nikon glass, or like buying Nikon for the sake of having a > Nikon. Reguardless, the Megapixels will sell. If you could get a 30D with 8MP and one with 10MP ... all else being identical including noise, which would you buy? The MP war, while a bit irrelavent technically, exists none-the-less. SignatureThomas T. Veldhouse Key Fingerprint: 2DB9 813F F510 82C2 E1AE 34D0 D69D 1EDC D5EC AED1 > Reguardless, the Megapixels will sell. If you could get a 30D with 8MP > and > one with 10MP ... all else being identical including noise, which would > you > buy? The MP war, while a bit irrelavent technically, exists > none-the-less. If those extra 2 mp caused more noise at higher ISO, I'll take 8 thank you very much. This supposedly is exactly the reason Canon didn't go with more than 8 on the 30D. Mark >> Reguardless, the Megapixels will sell. If you could get a 30D with 8MP >> and [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > very much. This supposedly is exactly the reason Canon didn't go with > more than 8 on the 30D. And why the Rebel XTi is only 8 megapixels, it has a larger screen and better processing engine. But the pixel count remained the same. The current Rebel XT will have a proce drop. >> As there are rebates even in the uk for the 5D i should think an upgrade >> to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > line, > if anything at all. The 30D only came out in April. I don't see it being replaced until at least spring of '07. More likely is a replacement for the Rebel XT/350D. Mark >>> As there are rebates even in the uk for the 5D i should think an upgrade >>> to this camera is likely. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >The 30D only came out in April. I don't see it being replaced until at >least spring of '07. More likely is a replacement for the Rebel XT/350D. I expect to see a new Canon body below the 1D series, but above the 30D, possibly in competition to the Nikon D80 and Sony A100. Perhaps a 3D that would be a 5D lite model? I don't think the XT/350D will get an update until February 2007 since reports indicate it's still selling very well and with the 30D still being relatively new, they can't over do it. >I expect to see a new Canon body below the 1D series, but above the 30D, >possibly in competition to the Nikon D80 and Sony A100. Perhaps a 3D >that would be a 5D lite model? If there is a 3D, it will be *superior* to the 5D, not a 5D "lite". >>I expect to see a new Canon body below the 1D series, but above the 30D, >>possibly in competition to the Nikon D80 and Sony A100. Perhaps a 3D >>that would be a 5D lite model? > >If there is a 3D, it will be *superior* to the 5D, not a 5D "lite". Oops, that was supposed to say "...a 1D lite model". >>>I expect to see a new Canon body below the 1D series, but above the 30D, >>>possibly in competition to the Nikon D80 and Sony A100. Perhaps a 3D [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Oops, that was supposed to say "...a 1D lite model". OK, understood. I will soon be buying another Canon body so I am very interested in what might come next. I was happy with my EOS 3 so a robust 3D with weather sealing would be a perfect companion to the 5D, which is lacking in those two areas. >>>> As there are rebates even in the uk for the 5D i should think an >>>> upgrade [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > reports indicate it's still selling very well and with the 30D still > being relatively new, they can't over do it. The 350D/XT will have a replacement called the XTi that will be announced on the 24th of August. Canon will also reveal a line of HD camcorders. >>> As there are rebates even in the uk for the 5D i should think an >>> upgrade to [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > at least spring of '07. More likely is a replacement for the Rebel > XT/350D. Remember the D60? It was a somewhat short-lived stop-gap upgrade between the D30 and the 10D. Yes...it was close to a year before the 10D announcement, but we'll see what happens. I wouldn't be surprised to see the exact same specs/build/features as the 30D, but with a couple more MPs just to keep Nikon jumping. SignatureImages (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by Mark² at: www.pbase.com/markuson > Remember the D60? > It was a somewhat short-lived stop-gap upgrade between the D30 and the > 10D. > Yes...it was close to a year before the 10D announcement, but we'll see > what happens. Dates from dpreview.com: D60 announced Feb 22 '02 10D announced Feb 27 '03 So it was actually a full year. No, a 30D replacement would be EXTREMELY unlikely in less than 6 months. Mark >> Remember the D60? >> It was a somewhat short-lived stop-gap upgrade between the D30 and [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > So it was actually a full year. No, a 30D replacement would be > EXTREMELY unlikely in less than 6 months. Perhaps true. February... SignatureImages (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by Mark² at: www.pbase.com/markuson >>> Remember the D60? >>> It was a somewhat short-lived stop-gap upgrade between the D30 and [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Perhaps true. February... 'Bout the same time as the earliest I'd anticipate a 5D update, too. SignatureSkip Middleton www.shadowcatcherimagery.com >>>> Remember the D60? >>>> It was a somewhat short-lived stop-gap upgrade between the D30 and [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > 'Bout the same time as the earliest I'd anticipate a 5D update, too. About the only things I can think of for improvement on the 5D would be better seals (though I have yet to discover my first dust speck on the sensor--pretty amazing actually or simply lucky) and perhaps Digic III for higher frame-rate/processing (don't need it on this whopper sensor, but...). Other than that, I see little else lacking...unless they went ahead and made that mythical 3D with a built-in vertical grip. Oh wait!!!! I almost forgot the stupidest thing on the 5D...that pesky printer button!! Argh. As has been moaned about for months...it is utterly useless, pointless and an irritating waste of space. At LEAST they could offer a firmware update to give it some other functionality... Oh well. It's a side-line anoyance, but mainly because it's so stupid. . :) SignatureImages (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by Mark² at: www.pbase.com/markuson >>>>> Remember the D60? >>>>> It was a somewhat short-lived stop-gap upgrade between the D30 and [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Oh well. It's a side-line anoyance, but mainly because it's so stupid. . > :) I'd really like a simpler wat to access mirror lock up. Buried in the menus, it discourages me from using it to shoot macros. That would be an appropriate use for the print button, as far as I'm concerned. SignatureSkip Middleton www.shadowcatcherimagery.com >>>>>> Remember the D60? >>>>>> It was a somewhat short-lived stop-gap upgrade between the D30 [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > menus, it discourages me from using it to shoot macros. That would > be an appropriate use for the print button, as far as I'm concerned. That was my thought also. Ideally, they'd make that a customizable button via firmware change... Maybe some hacker can do it, though I've always been hesitant to use hacked firmware. SignatureImages (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by Mark² at: www.pbase.com/markuson >I'd really like a simpler wat to access mirror lock up. Buried in the >menus, it discourages me from using it to shoot macros. That would be an >appropriate use for the print button, as far as I'm concerned. I wonder if the print button could be remapped to do mirror lockup... SignatureScott in Florida 'The Land of the Free because of the Brave' >>I'd really like a simpler wat to access mirror lock up. Buried in the >>menus, it discourages me from using it to shoot macros. That would be an [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I wonder if the print button could be remapped to do mirror lockup... That would be nice :-) SignatureJørn Dahl-Stamnes http://www.dahl-stamnes.net/Foto/ >>> As there are rebates even in the uk for the 5D i should think an upgrade >>> to [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > The 30D only came out in April. I don't see it being replaced until at > least spring of '07. More likely is a replacement for the Rebel XT/350D. Yup, the Rebel XTi 8 megapixel, big LCD and improved processor. http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/Canon_1DS_MkIII.html > Is there a new Canon SLR to be announced end of August??? > Think I read it somewhere recently. > Thanks. Maybe. But then again maybe not. Anyone that knows can't and won't post it on the internet. Mark > > Is there a new Canon SLR to be announced end of August??? > > Think I read it somewhere recently. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Mark I always have wondered what serious harm could it really impose if the major camera manufacturers had some sort of future roadmaps published. >>> Is there a new Canon SLR to be announced end of August??? >>> Think I read it somewhere recently. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I always have wondered what serious harm could it really impose if the > major camera manufacturers had some sort of future roadmaps published. Simple: It's a marketing guide...for the competition, and an existing-model-sales-killer...as people then know they can simply "hold out" for the new model they would then KNOW is coming. SignatureImages (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by Mark² at: www.pbase.com/markuson > >>> Is there a new Canon SLR to be announced end of August??? > >>> Think I read it somewhere recently. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by Mark² at: > www.pbase.com/markuson So If I know Nikon would roll out a 16MP camera after 1.5~2 years, I would not rather prefer to go without *any* camera at all till then? Without spending any money on existing cameras? Again, I can not see any *serious* harm of publishing the roadmap - going without one might give them some edge past their rivals, catching them unwarranted. But then again, following this "marketing guide", if someone tells me Canon has started make a reply of D80 only now - I do not see any reason to buy that. They must have far superior knowledge of where the technology is heading or what their opponents might be rolling out in recent future - so publishing the roadmap or no, should not make much affect on their rivals' plan anyway. But it might give us the customers, some good idea and scope of personal planning instead of asking around cluelessly about say, "New Canon??" > > >>> Is there a new Canon SLR to be announced end of August??? > > >>> Think I read it somewhere recently. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > So If I know Nikon would roll out a 16MP camera after 1.5~2 years, I > would not rather prefer to go without *any* camera at all till then? I mean would rather, of course. Apologies. >>>>>> Is there a new Canon SLR to be announced end of August??? >>>>>> Think I read it somewhere recently. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > I mean would rather, of course. Apologies. Much of this applies to those who are considering upgrades--not just those who have no camera. This applied to myself with a lens purchase. Had I known ahead of time that Canon was about to release the 24-105 f4 IS L...I would likely have waited for it. Because I DIDN'T know...I went ahead and bought the equally expensive 24-70 2.8 L...which is now collecting dust while I use the lens I REALLY wished for (and got), the 24-105 IS. That's called a "GOTCHA" and Canon "got me" on that one. I'm sure they're quite happy about it, too. :) SignatureImages (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by Mark² at: www.pbase.com/markuson >>> I always have wondered what serious harm could it really impose if >>> the major camera manufacturers had some sort of future roadmaps [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > personal planning instead of asking around cluelessly about say, "New > Canon??" Here's a simple example: My uncle bought the Canon D30 (3.25MP DSLR), which was a HUGE purchase for him...being the spend-thrift he is...and only DAYS (not weeks...DAYS) later, Canon announced the D60, which essentially doubled the resolution for LESS money. Had my uncle known this, he would NEVER have bought the D30. So... Extrapolate this my thousands of purchasers, and its easy to see why it is to Canon's advantage to keep these things close to their chest. Otherwise, they end up with huge quantities of older-model cameras on shelves. This makes re-sellers EXTREMELY unhappy. My uncle's D30 would have been left collecting dust had he known the D60 was coming out. Save'? SignatureImages (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by Mark² at: www.pbase.com/markuson >> Maybe. But then again maybe not. Anyone that knows can't and won't post it >> on the internet. > >I always have wondered what serious harm could it really impose if the >major camera manufacturers had some sort of future roadmaps published. You're kidding, right? Have you heard the term, "one upmanship"? If you get the jump on the competition, you get the bonus of initial sales and possibly leadership sales if the camera catches on well with buyers. Brand recognition is very important in sales. > >> Maybe. But then again maybe not. Anyone that knows can't and > >> won't post it on the internet. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Have you heard the term, "one upmanship"? Or "Osborne Computer Corporation"? <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_Effect> -hh >> >I always have wondered what serious harm could it really impose if the >> >major camera manufacturers had some sort of future roadmaps published. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Or "Osborne Computer Corporation"? Whole cows, Batman! I haven't heard that one in a while. :-) >> >> Maybe. But then again maybe not. Anyone that knows can't and >> >> won't post it on the internet. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > -hh I remember the Alto computer. Same thing happened. I do like the exception being the mac. The announcement that they were going over to intel did not osbourne. In fact next two quarters yielded record sales as loyal mac users bought up the latest offerings before changing over to dreaded Intel. > >> Maybe. But then again maybe not. Anyone that knows can't and won't post it > >> on the internet. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Brand recognition is very important in sales. How many mfgs besides Canon could afford to switch strategy in midstream or make significant physical changes to a camera if they had info about another mfg's model? None. > >> Maybe. But then again maybe not. Anyone that knows can't and won't post it > >> on the internet. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > You're kidding, right? No, I usually come here to learn something, unlike few. Why? > Have you heard the term, "one upmanship"? Yes I have. > If you get the jump on the competition, you get the bonus of initial > sales and possibly leadership sales if the camera catches on well with > buyers. So you have to use the trick of fooling the customers by using their ignorance of buying anything labeled as "new". That makes sense if only your product equals your rivals' instead of topping, or even fails perhaps. > Brand recognition is very important in sales What does that have to do anything with publishing a roadmap or not? Most other industries are doing that already, look at M$ for example - they even have their 2008 roadmap published! Or movie industries - every release date is scheduled and mostly maintained. If I am loyal to some brand, I will wait till their promised model shows up, given I have access to the roadmap. Take a look at http://www.tokina.co.jp/news/tokina2006.jpg or http://www.intel.com/cd/ids/developer/asmo-na/eng/dc/xeon/238663.htm?page=2 I do not see how this can harm any business other than jacking up the competition for a better product, or help the customers synonimously. >>>> Maybe. But then again maybe not. Anyone that knows can't and >>>> won't post it on the internet. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Most other industries are doing that already, look at M$ for example - > they even have their 2008 roadmap published! Microsoft's needs are different, however. THEY...need to persuade those who might be considering "jumping ship" to Apple or Linux, or others...that Microsoft "really does have the latest and greatest just around the corner..." -So in other words, their message is..."Wait just a LITTLE longer before you give up on Microsoft! -You'll love us in '08, so *don't invest your company in that Linux thing..." >Or movie industries - > every release date is scheduled and mostly maintained. Movies are unique, and offer no basis for comparison here. Totally different concept and product...and not based on technical specs that require guarded secrecy. > If I am loyal to some brand, I will wait till their promised model > shows up, given I have access to the roadmap. Or...You'll look at that future roadmap and use it as your rationale to switch brands because the "other guy" has a more attractive map. Look. This is REAL simple. The companies refrain from publishing this because they have gone to great lengths in determining that it is in THEIR interest to keep it secret. Of course it would be great to know...but that's not what they're after. They're after you money, and they know darn well that giving away their secrets doesn't help them get to your money as easily. If it would help...believe me...they would do it. > Take a look at http://www.tokina.co.jp/news/tokina2006.jpg or > http://www.intel.com/cd/ids/developer/asmo-na/eng/dc/xeon/238663.htm?page=2 > I do not see how this can harm any business other than jacking up the > competition for a better product, or help the customers synonimously. Tokina has nothng to lose. They need all the attention they can get because they are a small-time player--not known for innovation or ground-breaking anything. They are like clothing lines at Wal-Mart compared to Canon/Nikon as Versace/Calvin Klein. Nobody looks to Wal-Mart as the fashion standard. They look to them as the standard for "cheap" sales and little else. SignatureImages (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by Mark² at: www.pbase.com/markuson >> If you get the jump on the competition, you get the bonus of initial >> sales and possibly leadership sales if the camera catches on well with [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >only your product equals your rivals' instead of topping, or even fails >perhaps. Highly competitive electronics are very oriented towards offering more than the competition for a given price point. This applies to things like digital cameras, cell phones, computers, etc. If no one could really offer anything new, then it wouldn't matter and you could publish a roadmap. >Most other industries are doing that already, look at M$ for example - >they even have their 2008 roadmap published! I don't think most industries are doing that. Some industries can get away with it, but it's usually in a market with little competition. As Mark said, for Micro$oft it's in their best interests to let customers know that something is coming. >I do not see how this can harm any business other than jacking up the >competition for a better product, or help the customers synonimously. If Canon knew a year ago that Nikon was going to release a new camera in September with a 10mp sensor at $999, you could bet Canon would have been ready to release a camera that meets or beats the performance in August for the same price, taking sales away from Nikon. Why do you think Nikon had a teaser before announcing the D80? They wanted to keep customers from buying the Sony A100. >> Is there a new Canon SLR to be announced end of August??? >> Think I read it somewhere recently. >> Thanks. > > Maybe. But then again maybe not. Anyone that knows can't and won't post > it on the internet. The current Canon leak is Magic Lantern Guide is already marketing the Digital Rebel XTi guide. The only new Canon dSLR that I've heard about is the Rebel XTi. It has 8 megapixels, large LCD new processor and sensor shake cleaning. The current XT will have a price drop and will likely remain in production for at least 9 months. The sub $1000 is the "hot" market segment right now. "Darrell Larose" <spam@this.invalid> wrote in message news:... >> Mark B. wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > The 350D/XT will have a replacement called the XTi that will be announced > on the 24th of August. Canon will also reveal a line of HD camcorders. There will be also a 22 megapixel 1Ds mk.II replacement with a 24x36mm CMOS, I don't know if it will be announced next week or at PhotoKina 2006. Rumours have suggested it was medium-format, my sources say it's a 24x36mm NOT! 48x26mm |
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