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Nikon D80, $100 more than the Sony, no anti-dust

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RichA - 10 Aug 2006 17:42 GMT
And you have to pay for IS in each lens you want it for.  Still, a big
step up from
the old D70.
Thomas T. Veldhouse - 10 Aug 2006 18:09 GMT
> And you have to pay for IS in each lens you want it for.  Still, a big
> step up from
> the old D70.

Viewfinder and resolution seem to be the biggest advantage.  Otherwise, I
think I prefer the D200 with its greater benefits [weather proofing, works
with just about any lens [using exposure metering], CF card, etc.

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Sheldon - 11 Aug 2006 02:11 GMT
> And you have to pay for IS in each lens you want it for.  Still, a big
> step up from
> the old D70.

When people start comparing Nikon DSLR's to other makes they always seem to
forget one thing -- the zillions of great Nikon lenses out there that still
fit the camera.
Pete D - 11 Aug 2006 23:37 GMT
>> And you have to pay for IS in each lens you want it for.  Still, a big
>> step up from
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> to forget one thing -- the zillions of great Nikon lenses out there that
> still fit the camera.

And many forget that most buyers only want and need only a few lenses. I
have several friends with Nikon and one has a Nikon 18-200mm VR lens and a
D200 and is very happy, another has a D2X and has a 70-200mm F2.8 VR and a
2X converter that is all, he only shoots birds, another has a D50 and mainly
uses the standard kit 18-50mm (or is it 55?) so they don't need zillions of
lenses.
Espen Stranger Seland - 14 Aug 2006 08:38 GMT
>And many forget that most buyers only want and need only a few lenses. I
>have several friends with Nikon and one has a Nikon 18-200mm VR lens and a
>D200 and is very happy, another has a D2X and has a 70-200mm F2.8 VR and a
>2X converter that is all, he only shoots birds, another has a D50 and mainly
>uses the standard kit 18-50mm (or is it 55?) so they don't need zillions of
>lenses.

Yes, but there are zillions of good prices used lenses out there, so
you can buy the few you need for less.

Of all my Nikkors, I use 3 or 4 of them 95% of the time, two of them
maybe 70% of the time.

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tomm42 - 11 Aug 2006 15:42 GMT
> And you have to pay for IS in each lens you want it for.  Still, a big
> step up from
> the old D70.

With a D200 after 6 months 2000+ pics + lots of lens changing I still
don't have dust on my sensor. Well I had one noticable piece that fell
off after about a week. But I have been to beaches and construction
zones. Either the weather sealing is working to keep out the dustor
Nikon has worked something else out. The camera is with me every day.
Though the in camera antishake is a nice idea, I don't need it on every
lens, have hand held my 24 (my main lens) to 1/30 with no problems. I
can see having the VR in longer lenses but anything under 85 or so is
questionable, yes I know the arguements. I'd rather have Nikon
concentrate on a solid long lasting camera, so I can get my 5 years of
digital life out of the thing before replacing. My other cameras are 40
year old Leicas and 20 year old Canon F1s , what does that say.

Tom
G.T. - 11 Aug 2006 18:50 GMT
>>And you have to pay for IS in each lens you want it for.  Still, a big
>>step up from
>>the old D70.
>
> With a D200 after 6 months 2000+ pics + lots of lens changing I still
> don't have dust on my sensor.

You sure about that?

> Well I had one noticable piece that fell
> off after about a week. But I have been to beaches and construction
> zones. Either the weather sealing is working to keep out the dustor
> Nikon has worked something else out.

And what would that be?  The weather sealing sure isn't going to help
with the lens off.

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tomm42 - 11 Aug 2006 20:06 GMT
> >>And you have to pay for IS in each lens you want it for.  Still, a big
> >>step up from
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> And what would that be?  The weather sealing sure isn't going to help
> with the lens off.

When I had a little spec, it was noticeable, easy to get rid of,  then
I noticed it wasn't there. I shoot sky in landscape, and eyes at work
(the D200 is a nice medical camera) both is where I understand dust
will show. It just hasn't been there (knock on wood). I here there are
some cameras that are just dust magnets. The Sigma SD9, Nikon D1X have
been mentioned to me as very dusty cameras. Wonder if there is someting
having to do with static fields on the sensor covers? Any one with any
knowledge here?

Tom
Greg "_" - 11 Aug 2006 22:54 GMT
> When I had a little spec, it was noticeable, easy to get rid of,  then
> I noticed it wasn't there. I shoot sky in landscape, and eyes at work
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Tom

I think in a generation or two of digital cameras all these dust issue
will non exist. Consumers paying $$$ for cameras will demand it
(I think :)
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RichA - 12 Aug 2006 19:22 GMT
> > When I had a little spec, it was noticeable, easy to get rid of,  then
> > I noticed it wasn't there. I shoot sky in landscape, and eyes at work
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> (I think :)
> --

It's easy to address.  Just do what Sigma did.  Put a high quality,
multicoated plane
piece of glass in the front of the camera. Body sealed, no more dust.
> Reality-Is finding that perfect picture
> and never looking back.
>
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David Kilpatrick - 12 Aug 2006 21:30 GMT
> It's easy to address.  Just do what Sigma did.  Put a high quality,
> multicoated plane
> piece of glass in the front of the camera. Body sealed, no more dust.

got one, doesn't work. Dust gets in. The glass is not sealed and it's
removable too. It helps, that's all.

David
RichA - 12 Aug 2006 23:55 GMT
> > It's easy to address.  Just do what Sigma did.  Put a high quality,
> > multicoated plane
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> David

It would work better on a weather sealed body like the D200, E-1,
Canon's upper end
models.
Peter A. Stavrakoglou - 13 Aug 2006 18:00 GMT
>> It's easy to address.  Just do what Sigma did.  Put a high quality,
>> multicoated plane
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> David

Yes David, I've got one too and dust gets in there.  Perhaps there
would be more dust without the dust protector but dust still reaches
the sensor.  BTW, if anyone has an SD10, removal of the dust protector
turns the camera into a great Infrared camera.
RichA - 12 Aug 2006 19:20 GMT
> > And you have to pay for IS in each lens you want it for.  Still, a big
> > step up from
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> Tom

I think the idea of the anti-dust system is not elimination, but to
delay the time when you finally have to go at the sensor with a
cleaning kit or send in the camera for professional
cleaning.
cjcampbell - 14 Aug 2006 10:09 GMT
> And you have to pay for IS in each lens you want it for.  Still, a big
> step up from
> the old D70.

I would need to see a side by side feature comparison for the two
cameras. Of course, if the most important thing for you in a camera is
dust protection, maybe you should avoid a DSLR completely. Lots of
single lens cameras out there.

But then, I think that the purpose of a camera is to take pictures. I
mean, real pictures, not test patterns. I have to carry the camera
around all day to get the pictures I want. I have to be able to find
the controls instinctively.

To paraphrase Baron Von Richtofen:

Rove your area. Find your subject. Take its picture. Everything else is
rubbish.
 
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