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Matt - 29 Jul 2006 04:41 GMT
My cameras are a mess, both my point-and-shoot (which I think the best
way to do this is post a message (about camera shopping) here...to
people with experience with DSLR cameras.

So to help me can you answer this question...
If you could have any DSLR camera in the world, which one would you
get?

http://digitalartphotographyfordummies.blogspot.com
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Mike Warren - 29 Jul 2006 04:59 GMT
> So to help me can you answer this question...
> If you could have any DSLR camera in the world, which one would you
> get?

Am I allowed to choose any lenses I want as well?

If yes, the Canon 1DSII.

-Mike
Matt - 31 Jul 2006 04:29 GMT
Yes, lenses too!
> > So to help me can you answer this question...
> > If you could have any DSLR camera in the world, which one would you
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>
> -Mike
Ming-Ho Chi - 29 Jul 2006 05:35 GMT
> My cameras are a mess, both my point-and-shoot (which I think the best
> way to do this is post a message (about camera shopping) here...to
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> http://digitalartphotographyfordummies.blogspot.com
> http://bookofsigns.blogspot.com

Canon 22mp 1Ds Mk IIn.
Ming-Ho Chi - 29 Jul 2006 05:41 GMT
>> My cameras are a mess, both my point-and-shoot (which I think the best
>> way to do this is post a message (about camera shopping) here...to
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Canon 22mp 1Ds Mk IIn.

Oops, forgot about NDA - me bad :(

Please ignore my last post.
Mike Warren - 29 Jul 2006 06:01 GMT
> Oops, forgot about NDA - me bad :(
>
> Please ignore my last post.

That's it! No more Canons for you. :-)

-Mike
HEMI® - Powered - 29 Jul 2006 14:50 GMT
Today, Mike Warren made these interesting comments ...

>> Oops, forgot about NDA - me bad :(
>>
>> Please ignore my last post.
>
> That's it! No more Canons for you. :-)

Let's restart the Israeli-Lebanese conflict - my Canon can beat up
your Nikon any day of the week and twice on Sunday! <grin>

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C J Southern - 29 Jul 2006 23:30 GMT
> Today, Mike Warren made these interesting comments ...
>
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> Let's restart the Israeli-Lebanese conflict - my Canon can beat up
> your Nikon any day of the week and twice on Sunday! <grin>

Betta watch it - my mumma's bigger than your mumma! :)
Isaiah Beard - 29 Jul 2006 19:11 GMT
>> Oops, forgot about NDA - me bad :(
>>
>> Please ignore my last post.
>
> That's it! No more Canons for you. :-)

I'd dub you the "Canon Nazi," but then B&H may never sell to me again. :)

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John McWilliams - 29 Jul 2006 19:19 GMT
>>> Oops, forgot about NDA - me bad :(
>>>
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>
> I'd dub you the "Canon Nazi," but then B&H may never sell to me again. :)

Oh, crikey, we've avoided even passing jocular reference to those bastards.

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Matti Vuori - 29 Jul 2006 09:48 GMT
"Matt" <matthewbam@aol.com> wrote in news:1154144498.568797.19420
@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
> So to help me can you answer this question...
> If you could have any DSLR camera in the world, which one would you
> get?

Hasselblad H2D39

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Andrew Haley - 29 Jul 2006 13:06 GMT
> "Matt" <matthewbam@aol.com> wrote in news:1154144498.568797.19420
> @b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
>> So to help me can you answer this question...
>> If you could have any DSLR camera in the world, which one would you
>> get?

> Hasselblad H2D39

Nice, but rather slow.  It'd be great for landscapes.

Andrew.
HEMI® - Powered - 29 Jul 2006 14:53 GMT
Today, Andrew Haley made these interesting comments ...

>> "Matt" <matthewbam@aol.com> wrote in
>> news:1154144498.568797.19420 @b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
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>
> Nice, but rather slow.  It'd be great for landscapes.

The OP is incredibly naive, has no clue what he/she wants to do,or
is trolling. One has to know at least /something/ about the
intended use of a camera to even begin to talk about "if you could
have any DSLR in the world ...". In my case, small size, light
weight, and budget spelled "Canon Rebel XT". Someone else who likes
Canon might think /minimally/ in terms of the 5D, or even a medium
format.

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Adrian Boliston - 29 Jul 2006 11:14 GMT
> My cameras are a mess, both my point-and-shoot (which I think the best
> way to do this is post a message (about camera shopping) here...to
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> If you could have any DSLR camera in the world, which one would you
> get?

I'm pretty happy with my D70s right now, but I'd get the D2Hs if money were
no object.
HEMI® - Powered - 29 Jul 2006 14:55 GMT
Today, Adrian Boliston made these interesting comments ...

>> My cameras are a mess, both my point-and-shoot (which I think
>> the best way to do this is post a message (about camera
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> I'm pretty happy with my D70s right now, but I'd get the D2Hs
> if money were no object.

After 8 months with my Rebel XT and reading all the things the new
30D does so much better, principly far lower noise at high ISO and
2.5" LCD, albeit at twice the price, what would stop me from
upgrading any time soon is that it is 3/4" wider, taller, and
deeper, but also is 7 oz. heavier, which is a BIG concern for me
when my Canon 24-70mm is mounted and my Canon 430EX external flash
is atop the camera. That is almost 5 pounds and a 30D would be
almost 5 1/2 pounds. But, reality may someday outweight lack of
endurance ...

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HEMI® - Powered - 29 Jul 2006 14:49 GMT
Today, Matt made these interesting comments ...

> My cameras are a mess, both my point-and-shoot (which I think
> the best way to do this is post a message (about camera
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> http://digitalartphotographyfordummies.blogspot.com
> http://bookofsigns.blogspot.com

Surely you jest ("and, don't call me Shirley!"). What is your
definition of "best" and what is your budget, $100 or $30,000? Or,
are you just trolling ...

Now, if you're serious, what subject(s) do you intend to
concentrate on, what lighting condition(s) do you anticipate, and
what are your intended use(s) for the images?

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Matt - 31 Jul 2006 04:33 GMT
Just a good general body that can take a wide variety of lens
attachments.
http://digitialartphotographyfordummies.blogspot.com
> Today, Matt made these interesting comments ...
>
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> Member, Chrysler Employee Motorsport Association (CEMA)
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HEMI - Powered - 31 Jul 2006 12:13 GMT
Today, Matt made these interesting comments ...

> Just a good general body that can take a wide variety of lens
> attachments.

What you say is true on its face, and /might/ suffice for a
normally thinking person, but some qualification is still
necessary as "good general body" can have broad meaning and broad
price implications, and isn't at all like the theoretical way the
OP phrased the whole thing.

It is like "if you could have any car in the world, what would
you pick? I might pick a Chevrolet Corvette Z06 or a Lamborghini
while you might pick a Toyota Prius and a 3rd person would pick a
GMC Yukon Denali. One must know the intended usage and what the
criteria is for defining "good", "better", "best" and "anything
in the whole world", doncha think?

> http://digitialartphotographyfordummies.blogspot.com
>> Today, Matt made these interesting comments ...
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>> Member, Chrysler Employee Motorsport Association (CEMA)
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Isaiah Beard - 29 Jul 2006 19:16 GMT
> So to help me can you answer this question...
> If you could have any DSLR camera in the world, which one would you
> get?

Not exactly a dSLR, but one of these would be nice:

http://tinyurl.com/b3pas

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John McWilliams - 29 Jul 2006 19:21 GMT
>> So to help me can you answer this question...
>> If you could have any DSLR camera in the world, which one would you
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> http://tinyurl.com/b3pas

A number of folks won't touch a tinyurl from someone not known to them.
This one is safe.

<http://www.phaseone.com/Content/p1digitalbacks/P%2045.aspx>

If you put brackets around it as I have done, even a three liner won't
break in all the finer News clients.

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My View - 30 Jul 2006 00:27 GMT
learn something every day (ie < > brackets)
PeterH

>>> So to help me can you answer this question...
>>> If you could have any DSLR camera in the world, which one would you
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> If you put brackets around it as I have done, even a three liner won't
> break in all the finer News clients.
DoN. Nichols - 30 Jul 2006 04:07 GMT
According to My View <no spam ple@se.com>:
> "John McWilliams" <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote in message

    [ ... ]

> > A number of folks won't touch a tinyurl from someone not known to them.
> > This one is safe.
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> > If you put brackets around it as I have done, even a three liner won't
> > break in all the finer News clients.

> learn something every day (ie < > brackets)

    Don't bother -- it is not universally correct, and many of us
consider the "finer News clients" to be those which don't do *anything*
with HTML, including the brackets.  It is a lot safer using those, even
with boxes which are *not* Windows-based, and thus not the targets of
every virus writer out there. :-)

    The same applies to e-mail clients.

    Enjoy,
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Isaiah Beard - 31 Jul 2006 19:00 GMT
>> http://tinyurl.com/b3pas
>
> A number of folks won't touch a tinyurl from someone not known to them.

Their loss, not mine.

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george - 29 Jul 2006 22:10 GMT
That's a no-brainer...I've been a Nikon customer for 33 years...I have a ton
of Nikon lenses and accessories...without any doubt or hesitation
whatsoever, the camera would be the Canon 1DS MkII.  If I could afford that,
my Nikon stuff would be on eBay so fast their (Nikon's) ostrich heads would
spin.

> My cameras are a mess, both my point-and-shoot (which I think the best
> way to do this is post a message (about camera shopping) here...to
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> http://digitalartphotographyfordummies.blogspot.com
> http://bookofsigns.blogspot.com
BobF@nospam.com - 30 Jul 2006 00:19 GMT
>That's a no-brainer...I've been a Nikon customer for 33 years...I have a ton
>of Nikon lenses and accessories...without any doubt or hesitation
>whatsoever, the camera would be the Canon 1DS MkII.  If I could afford that,
>my Nikon stuff would be on eBay so fast their (Nikon's) ostrich heads would
>spin.

Curious... what do you think of the 30D?
george - 30 Jul 2006 03:59 GMT
>>That's a no-brainer...I've been a Nikon customer for 33 years...I have a
>>ton
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>
> Curious... what do you think of the 30D?

I've handled it and it seemed OK to me (not quite as intuitive as a Nikon
(to me anyway), but still quite easy to figure out).  Since it was only in a
store and without seeing any output, I cannot comment on image quality.  I
do have a D200 and the 30D build quality didn't look or feel as good to me
(remember that this was just a brief, casual inspection in a store...I
wasn't seriously considering the camera as it solves none of the problems I
have with Nikon offerings).  I would like to try a 5D some time.  That seems
like a real winner that Nikon would be wise to emulate.  As far as I am
concerned, I'd rather see no more emphasis on resolution, only on price,
sensor size, and noise.

The attraction of a 1DS MkII to me is the sensor size and quality.  I shoot
some portraits (out of my home) and the problem is the APS sensor size in
conjunction with the room size I have to work with...between having to use a
bit shorter focal length lens due to APS-FOV factor AND the resulting
increase in depth of field (undesirable), it seems that there really isn't
any inexpensive way around this (i.e., either remodel my house, rent a good
size studio, or switch systems)...I REALLY wish Nikon would at least ACT
like they understand this and EVER intend to DO anything about it.  If they
are serious about APS sensors, then give me a 60mm f/1.0 portrait lens and
if their spiel about APS lenses isn't just BS, then it should be priced like
the FF equivalent, an 85mm f/1.4.  Or, better yet, don't...I'd really rather
use the lenses I already own and not just for economic reasons...more so
because they don't make equivalents and many that I like aren't even made
for 35mm cameras any more.
BobF@nospam.com - 30 Jul 2006 05:07 GMT
>>>That's a no-brainer...I've been a Nikon customer for 33 years...I have a
>>>ton
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>do have a D200 and the 30D build quality didn't look or feel as good to me
>(remember that this was just a brief, casual inspection in a store...I

I got to play with a 30D in the store as well, but couldn't take a picture... it
did seem a bit 'cheap' but hey, that's only the feel of the case... it's like
getting Vodka in a plastic bottle...

>wasn't seriously considering the camera as it solves none of the problems I
>have with Nikon offerings).  I would like to try a 5D some time.  That seems
>like a real winner that Nikon would be wise to emulate.  As far as I am
>concerned, I'd rather see no more emphasis on resolution, only on price,
>sensor size, and noise.

I agree. I thought that Nikon would bring out a full size, quiet sensor, but it
doesn't seem so... they want to stick with the small ones. Saves on glass I
guess... bigger profits!

>The attraction of a 1DS MkII to me is the sensor size and quality.  I shoot
>some portraits (out of my home) and the problem is the APS sensor size in
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>because they don't make equivalents and many that I like aren't even made
>for 35mm cameras any more.

I originally bought the 50mm 1.8 to do product shots, but it becomes a 75mm and
that's a bit too long... so I bought a 28mm 1.8 but that cost $500 and is not
exactly what I want... Nikon should have brought out a 34mm 1.8 lens at the $150
mark to replace the 50 on digital cameras.
george - 30 Jul 2006 06:28 GMT
>>>>That's a no-brainer...I've been a Nikon customer for 33 years...I have a
>>>>ton
[quoted text clipped - 62 lines]
> the $150
> mark to replace the 50 on digital cameras.

Yeah, does make the APS lens argument (price/weight advantages) sound like
nothing more than marketing-speak.  Also, because you need to use a shorter
focal length lens (for same FOV), if your concern is DOF, that shorter lens
has to be about 1-stop faster too in order to really offer equivalent DOF.
So, now I also need to block out more ambient light to use studio flash w/o
being affected by the ambient lighting...I just find it a nasty combination
for the type of shooting I do.  If I were taking wildlife or sports photos
outside with telephoto lenses, I'd probably be deliriously happy, but that
isn't what I want to do.  (That also means that to replace what I have,
Nikon would need to make a 5.3mm f/2.0 circular fisheye as well.)
tomm42 - 30 Jul 2006 18:40 GMT
> I originally bought the 50mm 1.8 to do product shots, but it becomes a 75mm and
> that's a bit too long... so I bought a 28mm 1.8 but that cost $500 and is not
> exactly what I want... Nikon should have brought out a 34mm 1.8 lens at the $150
> mark to replace the 50 on digital cameras.

Nikon does have a 35 f2 seems fairly close, nice lens too. You'll never
get anything the least bit WA at f1.8 and $150. Sell the 28, buy the 35
if it is closer to what you want. I find the 55 f2.8 just about perfect
for product shots with a Nikon D200.

Tom
BobF@nospam.com - 31 Jul 2006 00:41 GMT
>> I originally bought the 50mm 1.8 to do product shots, but it becomes a 75mm and
>> that's a bit too long... so I bought a 28mm 1.8 but that cost $500 and is not
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>
>Tom

I'm going to stick with what I have, it cost's too much already! Using the 28
and the 50 that I have, I can cover everything I need.

One thing about lenses... there doesn't seem to be a big choice in the stores
around here, I would have to special order most of them, so I tend to pick
something available.
DoN. Nichols - 31 Jul 2006 01:25 GMT
According to  <BobF@nospam.com>:

> >> I originally bought the 50mm 1.8 to do product shots, but it becomes a 75mm and
> >> that's a bit too long... so I bought a 28mm 1.8 but that cost $500 and is not
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> around here, I would have to special order most of them, so I tend to pick
> something available.

    Hmm ... the local Penn Camera has a pretty good stock of *used*
lenses to add to what they have in new.  That is where I got my AF 50mm
f1.4 (non-D series) for a quite reasonable price.  You might look into
used lenses if you don't need the latest features in everything.  You
can save quite a bit.  Of the lenses which I normally use on my D70,
only two were purchased new, the 18-70mm "kit" lens, and the 28-105mm
which I had been using on the N90s before I got the D70.  The others
which I semi-regularly use were purchased used.  In order of
acquisition:

1)    200mm f4 Medical Nikkor -- with built-in ring flash.  It is
    used in manual mode, with the lens rings doing the exposure
    calculation assuming that all light comes from the ring flash.

2)    500mm f8 mirror telephoto.  No metering.  Bought at a photo
    swap meet, IIRC.  I usually use the longest auto lens to meter
    the area for a starting point for exposure, and then use the
    histogram to guide me to better exposure.  Metering through the
    lens would be a nice plus here.

3)    180mm f2.8 (which had to be "chip" converted to meter with the
    D-70.  This was purchased at a hamfest.

4)    AF 50mm f1.4 -- Purchased at the local Penn Camera.

5)    AF 35-135mm f3.5-4.5 -- purchased from a friend who deals in
    used cameras.

    Another lens which will come back into service if I ever get a
D-200 is the 80-200mm f4 AI zoom lens (with push-pull zoom and rotate to
focus on a single control).  But for the moment, it needs more time to
adjust exposure than the likely subject matter would allow me, so it is
just too heavy to carry along without the on-camera metering capability.
(The 500mm only comes along for certain things.

    Enjoy,
        DoN.
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tomm42 - 31 Jul 2006 15:38 GMT
>     Hmm ... the local Penn Camera has a pretty good stock of *used*
> lenses to add to what they have in new.  That is where I got my AF 50mm
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>     used in manual mode, with the lens rings doing the exposure
>     calculation assuming that all light comes from the ring flash.

If you have the f4 medical Nikkor it is a 120mm, the 200 was an f5.6. I
have used one without the flash with a Fuji S1 just by chimping. Which
ever medical Nikkor you have it is a very good lens. Unfortunately the
flash tube in mine gave out and Nikon will no longer repair this lens.
Currently I'm using a Tamron 90 f2.5 with a ring flash and getting nice
results, just won't go to 1:1 without an adapter, which is a pain to
put on.

Tom
derek_c@cix.compulink.co.uk - 04 Aug 2006 05:44 GMT
> *From:* BobF@nospam.com
> *Date:* Sun, 30 Jul 2006 00:07:18 -0400

Nikon should have brought out a 34mm 1.8 lens
> at the $150
> mark to replace the 50 on digital cameras.

It's more expensive than you wanted, but there is the 35mm f/2.
Roger N. Clark (change username to rnclark) - 30 Jul 2006 04:59 GMT
> That's a no-brainer...I've been a Nikon customer for 33 years...I have a ton
> of Nikon lenses and accessories...without any doubt or hesitation
> whatsoever, the camera would be the Canon 1DS MkII.  If I could afford that,
> my Nikon stuff would be on eBay so fast their (Nikon's) ostrich heads would
> spin.

While I agree with you on the 1DS Mark II if you are doing still
subjects, it would do poorly on action subjects relative
to other cameras.  The top choice for wildlife action and sports
is the 1D Mark IIn: it is the fastest DSLR on the market.

Roger

>>My cameras are a mess, both my point-and-shoot (which I think the best
>>way to do this is post a message (about camera shopping) here...to
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>>http://digitalartphotographyfordummies.blogspot.com
>>http://bookofsigns.blogspot.com
RichA - 30 Jul 2006 07:43 GMT
> That's a no-brainer...I've been a Nikon customer for 33 years...I have a ton
> of Nikon lenses and accessories...without any doubt or hesitation
> whatsoever, the camera would be the Canon 1DS MkII.  If I could afford that,
> my Nikon stuff would be on eBay so fast their (Nikon's) ostrich heads would
> spin.

If you want to get the most out of that Canon, you'll keep the Nikon
lenses
and buy an adapter.
flak@turnsleft.com - 30 Jul 2006 00:31 GMT
>My cameras are a mess, both my point-and-shoot (which I think the best
>way to do this is post a message (about camera shopping) here...to
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>http://digitalartphotographyfordummies.blogspot.com
>http://bookofsigns.blogspot.com

I'm partial to the Jovian Master Blaster 2000, with the digital conveyer data
port and the 12 gigapixal 128 bit organic photon sensor, powered by the 2 liter
cat brain processor and nuclear peptide battery pack. Don't forget the 4
dimensional zoom lens that can look back into time and refocus those blurry
shots you might take... I prefer the 1mm to 10 kilometer super zoom, F0,02 with
the light speed shutter.

Oh, they don't take American Express, except maybe on Mars on the weekend.

B.

2 wrongs don't make a right.
But 3 lefts do.
donharper@theedgephotography.com - 30 Jul 2006 02:50 GMT
I'm really happy with both my Nikon D2H and D2X.
In a different price range the Nikon D-200 has a sensor that photogs
love for the color gamut.

Why Nikon:
I've used Nikon since 1966 and have a big investment in lenses. For
example I can still use lenses like my 55mm f1.2 manual lens on these
digital cameras.

I'm not knocking Canon, they are obviously an important choice equal to
Nikon.
Something else to consider are the new DSLR's with vibration reduction
built into the cmaera body instead of lenses.

Good luck on your choice.

Don Harper
The Edge Photography Studio
Leesburg, Virginia

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m II - 30 Jul 2006 03:32 GMT
> Something else to consider are the new DSLR's with vibration reduction
> built into the cmaera body instead of lenses.

...which is why I will be getting a Pentax k100 very soon. I have plenty
of excellent old Takumar glass, so the cost of a new 'shake reduction'
body is only a very small portion of the bigger picture.

mike
Roger N. Clark (change username to rnclark) - 30 Jul 2006 04:54 GMT
>> Something else to consider are the new DSLR's with vibration reduction
>> built into the cmaera body instead of lenses.
>
> ...which is why I will be getting a Pentax k100 very soon. I have plenty
> of excellent old Takumar glass, so the cost of a new 'shake reduction'
> body is only a very small portion of the bigger picture.

Technologically, it seems difficult to make camera
based anti-vibration work for the big range of
DSLR lenses.  The amount of movement needed on
the vibration reduction of a 20mm lens is
quite different than that needed to compensate
for a 500 mm lens: a factor of 25.  The lens based
system is optimized for each lens, and that is why
both nikon and canon have done so well with it.

Roger
Pete D - 31 Jul 2006 07:44 GMT
>>> Something else to consider are the new DSLR's with vibration reduction
>>> built into the cmaera body instead of lenses.
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>
> Roger

Agree Roger but some are not willing to pay for the same system every time
they buy a lens when they can get 2/3-3/4 of the performance and only pay
for it once. I am not getting a K100D but am waiting for the 10 MP version
due out maybe in September that will be even better than their first effort
with the K100D.
DoN. Nichols - 31 Jul 2006 20:31 GMT
According to Pete D <no@email.com>:

    [ ... ]

> > Technologically, it seems difficult to make camera
> > based anti-vibration work for the big range of
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> > system is optimized for each lens, and that is why
> > both nikon and canon have done so well with it.

    [ ... ]

> Agree Roger but some are not willing to pay for the same system every time
> they buy a lens when they can get 2/3-3/4 of the performance and only pay
> for it once.

    Of course, there is a lot less *need* for VR/IS in a 20mm lens
than in a 500mm lens.  So you don't have to buy it in *every* lens, just
in the longer ones.

>              I am not getting a K100D but am waiting for the 10 MP version
> due out maybe in September that will be even better than their first effort
> with the K100D.

    O.K.  Let us know how it does -- and in particular, how it the
built-in VR does with the extremes of focal lengths.

    I'll bet that at a minimum, it does poorly with a lens from
which it cannot read the current focal length -- say an older wide-range
and long zoom lens mounted on the camera.  (Unless, of course, it is
trying to judge the camera motion by analyzing a sensor in the
viewfinder (since the main sensor is not available until exposure time),
instead of using a sensor which determines angular changes in the camera
body's orientation.)

    Good Luck,
        DoN.
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Marc Sabatella - 31 Jul 2006 22:30 GMT
> O.K.  Let us know how it does -- and in particular, how it the
> built-in VR does with the extremes of focal lengths.
>
> I'll bet that at a minimum, it does poorly with a lens from
> which it cannot read the current focal length

On the K100D, if you are using a lens that does not communicate focal
length, you can enter it manually.  So in theory at least, this is not
an issue.  I don't know how convenient the interface to this facility
is - might not be practical to change it every time you zoom in or out.
I'd bet the K10D (10MP "professional" body) will be an improvement here
over the K100D (6MP "entry level" body).  Either way, if you're mostly
using just one or two fixed focal length lenses that don't communicate
focal length, this could be manageable.

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Pete D - 04 Aug 2006 05:59 GMT
> According to Pete D <no@email.com>:
>
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> Good Luck,
> DoN.

Mind you I have taken many photos without VR over the last 30 or so years
and just use a tripod or rest against something when needed and that has
done me very well, the VR/IS is not the driver for this camera for me anyway
but will be a nice bonus, what I want is faster/better focus and greater
resolution (for cropping), I am not worried about higher frame rate but a
bigger buffer will be nice and perhaps the bigger screen will be nice as
well, other than that I am still very happy with my DS. Maybe a grip with an
extra shutter release will be okay too for portrait shots.

Cheers.

Pete D
Thomas - 30 Jul 2006 11:07 GMT
Hi Matt

I would go with a MF digital camera. Most of them come as a camera plus
a separate backend, like this one:

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0409/04092902mamiya_zd.asp

Of course it is not the best camera for everything. Macro for example
is a lot easier with smaller sensor formats.

Thomas

> My cameras are a mess, both my point-and-shoot (which I think the best
> way to do this is post a message (about camera shopping) here...to
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> http://digitalartphotographyfordummies.blogspot.com
> http://bookofsigns.blogspot.com
John A. Stovall - 30 Jul 2006 13:19 GMT
Leica R9 with the DRM.
Sheldon - 31 Jul 2006 03:55 GMT
> My cameras are a mess, both my point-and-shoot (which I think the best
> way to do this is post a message (about camera shopping) here...to
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> http://digitalartphotographyfordummies.blogspot.com
> http://bookofsigns.blogspot.com

By the time this thread ends both Nikon and Canon will have a new series of
cameras out. :-)
DoN. Nichols - 31 Jul 2006 04:10 GMT
According to Sheldon <sheldon@XXXXXXXXsopris.net>:

    [ ... ]

> > So to help me can you answer this question...
> > If you could have any DSLR camera in the world, which one would you
> > get?

    [ ... ]

> By the time this thread ends both Nikon and Canon will have a new series of
> cameras out. :-)

    And that *still* will not end the thread. :-)

    Enjoy,
        DoN.
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cjcampbell - 31 Jul 2006 06:05 GMT
> My cameras are a mess, both my point-and-shoot (which I think the best
> way to do this is post a message (about camera shopping) here...to
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> If you could have any DSLR camera in the world, which one would you
> get?

Hasselblad H2D-39. This camera has compared favorably in image quality
and detail even with 8x10 view cameras. Of course, you could buy a
pretty nice BMW instead...
cjcampbell - 31 Jul 2006 06:10 GMT
> My cameras are a mess, both my point-and-shoot (which I think the best
> way to do this is post a message (about camera shopping) here...to
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> If you could have any DSLR camera in the world, which one would you
> get?

Rats. Somebody beat me to the Hasselblad HD2-39.

The Nikon D3, then. Granted, it isn't out yet. But the 35mm sensor
Nikon is undoubtedly coming, despite official denials from Nikon itself.
derek_c@cix.compulink.co.uk - 04 Aug 2006 05:44 GMT
> *From:* "Matt" <matthewbam@aol.com>
> *Date:* 28 Jul 2006 20:41:38 -0700
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> http://digitalartphotographyfordummies.blogspot.com
> http://bookofsigns.blogspot.com

I wouldn't have just one!

A brace of Canon 1DIIns for sports and air displays and a pair of 1DSIIs
for everything else.

For lenses I guess 16-35, 24-105, 100mm macro, 70-210 f/2.8 IS and 500
f/4.5 IS, with the 1.4x teleconverter.

And a bag with very big wheels :-)
Jim - 05 Aug 2006 15:54 GMT
> My cameras are a mess, both my point-and-shoot (which I think the best
> way to do this is post a message (about camera shopping) here...to
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> http://digitalartphotographyfordummies.blogspot.com
> http://bookofsigns.blogspot.com

Hasselblad H2D39

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