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samfind.com - 27 Jul 2006 21:56 GMT Hi there...
Our website, http://samfind.com, which is set to launch in September will be displaying high quality images that our users submit on its homepage.
we are looking for images ... but not any ordinary images...
we are looking for images that have a white background. sorta like the image in our first post of July 14th on our blog at http://samfind.blogspot.com. this is so that we can add color to the homepage without getting in the way of the reason for people to be there...other than to see your images!
send us anything you think fits this criteria and we will select the ones we like and put them on our homepage. also, please add your full name and your web address so that we can give you credit and a link back for the image.
while you are there, feel free to sign up to be notified of our launch at http://samfind.com!
sincerely,
sam
Jeremy Nixon - 27 Jul 2006 22:33 GMT > send us anything you think fits this criteria and we will select the > ones we like and put them on our homepage. You neglected to mention how much you're paying.
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samfind.com - 27 Jul 2006 22:43 GMT Jeremy,
Our goal is to give exposure to photographers while providing and appealing image on your homepage. The compensation that the photographer will get is exposure on our homepage and a link back. These days images are not that expensive to purchase and with the measly 20-40 cents on the dollar that photographers earn on their photgraphs at places like istockphoto, having your image on the homepage of a website seems like pretty good compensation.
Sincerely,
Sam
> > send us anything you think fits this criteria and we will select the > > ones we like and put them on our homepage. > > You neglected to mention how much you're paying. Jeremy Nixon - 27 Jul 2006 23:12 GMT > These days images are not that expensive to purchase and with the > measly 20-40 cents on the dollar that photographers earn on their > photgraphs at places like istockphoto, having your image on the > homepage of a website seems like pretty good compensation. Devaluing photography even further. Thanks...
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samfind.com - 28 Jul 2006 22:11 GMT Jeremy,
We are working very hard at building and promoting our website so that the value of your photograph being on our homepage is worth the cost of placing your photograph there. Frankly, many people do not value place a very high value on their photographs and are willing to sell them very inexpensively. That may not be you. But that is the vast majority of amatuer photographers.
You may be a professional photographer and place a higher value on the amount of money you will make from the licensing of the image than the potential exposure that you may get on the samfind homepage.
Sam
> > These days images are not that expensive to purchase and with the > > measly 20-40 cents on the dollar that photographers earn on their > > photgraphs at places like istockphoto, having your image on the > > homepage of a website seems like pretty good compensation. > > Devaluing photography even further. Thanks... Little Green Eyed Dragon - 27 Jul 2006 23:36 GMT > measly 20-40 cents on the dollar that photographers earn on their > photgraphs. Huh? R You nuts? I earn my living doing this stuff. Bah haaaa haa 20 to 40 cents.
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Jeremy Nixon - 28 Jul 2006 00:02 GMT > Huh? R You nuts? I earn my living doing this stuff. Bah haaaa haa 20 to > 40 cents. The problem is, lots of people *do* take 20-40 cents, leading to people like the original poster thinking that's the value of a photograph. That hurts all of us.
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Little Green Eyed Dragon - 28 Jul 2006 01:36 GMT > > Huh? R You nuts? I earn my living doing this stuff. Bah haaaa haa 20 to > > 40 cents. > > The problem is, lots of people *do* take 20-40 cents, leading to people > like the original poster thinking that's the value of a photograph. That > hurts all of us. Unfortunately getting the whole photo community to cooperate is like banging your head against a rock.
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silent lamb - 28 Jul 2006 02:22 GMT > Little Green Eyed Dragon <AShadeosPerceptionvanishez@myplace.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > people like the original poster thinking that's the value of a > photograph. That hurts all of us. How desperate must people be to sell their photos for less than the cost of taking them?
I can't quite figure out the enthusiasm some people have for selling their photos in a market place where too many are trying to sell too much to, too few buyers. You'd think they'd just give up and fill albums with happy snaps, wouldn't you?
I'm a working Photographer. I am constantly amazed at how many people buy a digital camera and then set out to undercut the prices of established Professionals in the false belief they will somehow manage to make a profit where the pile of wannabes in the past never did.
There are plenty of people looking for Photographers with $10,000 worth of gear to shoot assignments for no pay in the (usually false) belief they will "sell" enough from a web site or magazine to make it worthwhile... And it never does.
Here is a new dreamer. Expecting to lure more wannabes into providing him with fodder he can use to attract traffic to his site while selling 'click thru' advertising he isn't going to share the proceeds from, with those he dupes.
To then try and justify his scam by citing other rogues is about as bad as it gets.
samfind.com - 28 Jul 2006 22:15 GMT Ther are few photographers who earn very much for their photographs because most photgraphers are amateurs. Congratulations for having made it among the elite professional photographers who can actually live off of the photography unlike most who enjoy photography and now have the ability to monetize it thanks to the internet.
Sam
> > measly 20-40 cents on the dollar that photographers earn on their > > photgraphs. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > a dragon, eating rat? The answer of: I am somewhere > in the middle. "Me who is part taoist and part Christian". Helen - 28 Jul 2006 00:22 GMT > Jeremy, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > photgraphs at places like istockphoto, having your image on the > homepage of a website seems like pretty good compensation. You overlook the fact that nobody has ever heard of your site, so how long is it going to take before the public start seeing the photographs, and by extension, the photographers who decide who post with you? Though I disagree strongly with the so-called microstock sites, such as istockphoto which you mentioned, at least the public, or anyway the designers, know about them, and buy stock from them; the disagreeable part is the insulting few cents the photographer gets per sale. They devalue the photographs placed with them and the photographers who took them, and dilute the work of proper and responsible agencies such as Alamy, who charge a full and correct value per sale (and, incidentally, pay 65% or 75% of each sale to the photographer, depending on the plan, not the 20 to 40 you said). Alamy pays my mortgage.
As a matter of interest, I've just spoken to an amateur photographer friend of mine who tried some of his work with a new microstock agency he liked the look of. He tells me this agency has now been around for about 5 months and so far has sold 55 pictures. Big deal. Furthermore, in the last two months they've only sold 5. Yes, five. The point is, it's going to take a while to get known, and unless you have the marketing skills and the funds to push it like hell you simply won't see much happen, and nor will your photographers. It's cutthroat out there.
Jeremy Nixon - 28 Jul 2006 00:45 GMT > You overlook the fact that nobody has ever heard of your site, ...and if I want the "exposure" of being on a website no one's ever heard of, I can make my own. :)
Sam: come on back when you're the next Google, and we'll talk about featuring photographers on your home page in exchange for exposure.
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Little Green Eyed Dragon - 28 Jul 2006 01:36 GMT >The point is, it's going to take a while to > get known, and unless you have the marketing skills and the funds to push it > like hell you simply won't see much happen, and nor will your photographers. > It's cutthroat out there. Like all business, competition....photographers may as well forget being "Known" Ansel Adams was known in the conscience of the average Joe... unlikely it will happen again - and its better just to earn a living. AA was relatively penniless until about the last couple of years of his 80+ year life.
Approximately 5 % of the photographers out there actually can make a living beyond 25,000 dollars per year. Last year I was lucky enough to finally after 20 years of photo to be one of them.
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-hh - 28 Jul 2006 11:16 GMT > > Jeremy, > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > is it going to take before the public start seeing the photographs, and by > extension, the photographers who decide who post with you? He's also overlooking the fact that anyone who hears about his website from posts like this already have Internet access, so they can go set up their own "free to distribute" images, invariably at places that already have & get more eyeball traffic.
-hh
samfind.com - 28 Jul 2006 22:18 GMT Helen,
You are correct. Our website is set to launch in September. Not many have heard of our site yet and it will likely be a niche website. We hope that you take a moment to look at it in the future and judge it for yourself.
Sam
> > Jeremy, > > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > like hell you simply won't see much happen, and nor will your photographers. > It's cutthroat out there. John McWilliams - 28 Jul 2006 22:38 GMT > Helen, > > You are correct. Our website is set to launch in September. Not many > have heard of our site yet and it will likely be a niche website. We > hope that you take a moment to look at it in the future and judge it > for yourself. Sam-
It's especially important when promoting something to post so that it's short, readable and cogent. Bottom posting is the norm here, as is trimming.
Also, contributing something by way of discussion is also a good idea, as long as it's not solely to promote.
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RichA - 28 Jul 2006 01:18 GMT > Hi there... > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > sam For this, or any other URL if people are curious about how much "exposure" it gets, got to www.alexa.com Put in the URL and check "Traffic Details."
silent lamb - 28 Jul 2006 02:56 GMT "RichA" <rander3127@gmail.com> wrote in news:1154045900.530385.131750 @i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
> www.alexa.com Either my host is forging traffic statistics or Alexia is a sham. It can't even find 3 of my web sites. One is a 500 hit a day site!
Their tool bar doesn't work in IE 7 either. Not looking good for this one, Rich!
Roger N. Clark (change username to rnclark) - 28 Jul 2006 05:08 GMT > "RichA" <rander3127@gmail.com> wrote in news:1154045900.530385.131750 > @i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Their tool bar doesn't work in IE 7 either. Not looking good for this > one, Rich! Works fine for me and mozilla. My site Traffic Rank for clarkvision.com: 506,159 whatever that means. Roger
silent lamb - 28 Jul 2006 12:07 GMT >> "RichA" <rander3127@gmail.com> wrote in >> news:1154045900.530385.131750 @i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > whatever that means. > Roger It means you are half way up the statistics ladder, Rodger. 100,000th is where they start ranking you. If I read their blurb properly, basically there are 50,000 similar sites to yours which get hit first when looking for the keywords you are using on yours.
Comforting, isn't it?
RichA - 29 Jul 2006 02:49 GMT > "RichA" <rander3127@gmail.com> wrote in news:1154045900.530385.131750 > @i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Their tool bar doesn't work in IE 7 either. Not looking good for this > one, Rich! It only reports actual traffic for the top 100,000 websites. It rates them down to 10 millionth or something like that. Type in dpreview.com and take a look at the traffic details.
samfind.com - 28 Jul 2006 22:20 GMT Rich,
We have not launched out website yet. Therefore, we do not have any traffic statistics. Visit http://samfind.com and you see the extent of the public website.
Sam
> > Hi there... > > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > got to www.alexa.com > Put in the URL and check "Traffic Details."
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