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newcamz@yahoo.com - 23 Jul 2006 00:00 GMT
Hi Folks,

Steve says that the following are the best Amateur Digital SLR (under
$1,000)

Konica Minolta Maxxum 5D
Nikon D70s
Canon Digital Rebel XT/350D
Pentax *ist DS2
Olympus E-500 Evolt
Nikon D50

Do you agree?

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Joan - 23 Jul 2006 00:22 GMT
That's only part of the story.  What about the lenses?

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AaronW - 25 Jul 2006 18:55 GMT
> That's only part of the story.  What about the lenses?

For Canon, you might start with:

Canon 350D
Canon 50/1.8
Canon 20-35/3.5-4.5
Canon 70-300/4-5.6 IS
Sigma EF 500 DG

And upgrade to:

Canon 50/1.8
Canon 85/1.8
Canon 135/2
Canon 300/2.8 IS
Canon 1.4x
Canon 2x
Canon 17-55/2.8 IS
Canon 70-200/2.8 IS
Canon TS-E 24/3.5
Canon MP-E 65/2.8 1-5x Macro

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Joan - 26 Jul 2006 10:52 GMT
Hehehe, I'm in the Nikon camp.

BTW how do you upgrade from a 50/1.8 to a 50/1.8?  I guess it wouldn't
cost much.

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AaronW - 27 Jul 2006 00:16 GMT
> Hehehe, I'm in the Nikon camp.

Maybe:

14/2.8
50/1.8
85/1.8
135/2
200/2 VR
1.4x
2x

> BTW how do you upgrade from a 50/1.8 to a 50/1.8?

That's the point. It is good enough to be useful even with the most
expensive lenses.

> : For Canon, you might start with:
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> : Canon TS-E 24/3.5
> : Canon MP-E 65/2.8 1-5x Macro

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Brion K. Lienhart - 23 Jul 2006 01:22 GMT
> Hi Folks,
>
> Steve says that the following are the best Amateur Digital SLR (under
> $1,000)

> Olympus E-500 Evolt

You can get the e-500 with two lens kit for under US$1000.
Neil Harrington - 23 Jul 2006 04:40 GMT
> Hi Folks,
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>
> Do you agree?

I agree with the first two, and own both.

The Maxxum 5D is especially great if you already have a closetful of Maxxum
lenses, which I do. But even if you don't, it is one nifty camera -- and its
Anti-Shake system is something very worthwhile that the competition doesn't
have (so far). There are tons of Minolta AF-mount lenses out there at
reasonable prices, and every one of 'em automatically becomes image
stabilized on the Maxxum 5D.

Neil
RichA - 25 Jul 2006 01:32 GMT
> Hi Folks,
>
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> Camera Enthusiast
> http://newcamz.blogspot.com

Gee, and I thought you were the "expert" begging people to go to his
"how to buy a DSLR" website?  Why the question then?
Ken Ellis - 28 Jul 2006 03:06 GMT
>> Hi Folks,
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>Gee, and I thought you were the "expert" begging people to go to his
>"how to buy a DSLR" website?  Why the question then?

Canon 20D (you didn't say you want's a lens with it)
cheers
ken
Alan Browne - 30 Jul 2006 21:36 GMT
> Steve says that the following are the best Amateur Digital SLR (under
> $1,000)
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> Olympus E-500 Evolt
> Nikon D50

From that point of view they are all fairly equal in capability.  Each
company also offers a range of lenses from crap to great with Canon and
Nikon having the most versatility in lenses ... although only a few
percent of Canon/Nikon owners have the better lenses and will buy more
in the future.

A true "amateur" wants better features than those offered with the
cameras above, esp. more manual controls on the camera body (not in
menus).  The cameras above are really sophisiticated P&S system cameras
rather than what a real amateur wants.

Cheers,
Alan

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Bill - 30 Jul 2006 22:21 GMT
>> Konica Minolta Maxxum 5D
>> Nikon D70s
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>menus).  The cameras above are really sophisiticated P&S system cameras
>rather than what a real amateur wants.

Whole cows, Batman!

What's your definition of amateur, Alan?

And what's your idea of an amateur camera?
Alan Browne - 31 Jul 2006 01:48 GMT
>>>Konica Minolta Maxxum 5D
>>>Nikon D70s
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> What's your definition of amateur, Alan?

"Amateur" to me means seriously dedicated to photography, but not for
revenue.

> And what's your idea of an amateur camera?

Maxxum 9, EOS-1N, 1V, F5 ...

Cheers,
Alan

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DoN. Nichols - 30 Jul 2006 22:40 GMT
According to Alan Browne  <alan.browne@FreeLunchVideotron.ca>:

> > Steve says that the following are the best Amateur Digital SLR (under
> > $1,000)
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> menus).  The cameras above are really sophisiticated P&S system cameras
> rather than what a real amateur wants.

    I find myself wondering what you are considering manual controls
on the camera body (not just in menus) which the D70s does not have?  I
have the D70 (not 's'), and I find that pretty much everything which I
want to change frequently can be changed without diving into the menus.
There are a *lot* of multi-function buttons on that camera, and as long
as you steer clear of the "Auto" mode, you've got excellent control.

    Granted -- it takes some time before all of these shortcuts
become easy to find.  You have to *use* them to fix them in your memory.

    I speak only of the D70(s), because I have no personal
experience with the others listed.

    Enjoy,
        DoN.

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Rita Ä Berkowitz - 30 Jul 2006 23:07 GMT
> I find myself wondering what you are considering manual controls
> on the camera body (not just in menus) which the D70s does not have?
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> camera, and as long as you steer clear of the "Auto" mode, you've got
> excellent control.

Going by memory I can only think of one, the only menu feature that should
have been placed on the outside of the D70 is selecting between AF-S and
AF-C.  Other than that little nuisance item (for me) the D70 is a great
camera.

Rita
DoN. Nichols - 31 Jul 2006 01:13 GMT
According to Rita Ä Berkowitz  <ritaberk2O04 @aol.com>:

> > I find myself wondering what you are considering manual controls
> > on the camera body (not just in menus) which the D70s does not have?
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> AF-C.  Other than that little nuisance item (for me) the D70 is a great
> camera.

    A good point.  I can certainly agree with that -- and that is
one of the reasons why I want a D-200.  I got accustomed to that with
the digital-converted Nikon N90s which I used before the D-70.

    Enjoy,
        DoN.
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Alan Browne - 31 Jul 2006 01:51 GMT
> According to Alan Browne  <alan.browne@FreeLunchVideotron.ca>:
>
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> There are a *lot* of multi-function buttons on that camera, and as long
> as you steer clear of the "Auto" mode, you've got excellent control.

I was going to mention that the D70 (s) are pretty good in those
respects (manual controls), so yes, I agree with you.  The Maxxum 7D is
probably the "best" in this respect in the late crop of 6-8 Mpix cameras
with the D70(s) a very close second.

Regrettably, Sony's first DSLR is a Maxxum 5 upgrade and not the wished
for (by Minolta lens owners) Maxxum 9 class camera we "amateurs" want.

Cheers,
Alan

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