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New Nikon DSLR announced...

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frederick - 20 Jul 2006 23:03 GMT
Well announced that it will be announced in 20 days.
http://nikonimaging.com/global/
Seems a D70/s replacement is coming.
Entirely new Nikon model names have had trademark applications
registered at US Patent and Trademark Office.  Nothing new there.
RichA - 20 Jul 2006 23:07 GMT
> Well announced that it will be announced in 20 days.
> http://nikonimaging.com/global/
> Seems a D70/s replacement is coming.
> Entirely new Nikon model names have had trademark applications
> registered at US Patent and Trademark Office.  Nothing new there.

Looks like a "head 'em off at the pass" answer to the Sony Alpha.
frederick - 20 Jul 2006 23:27 GMT
>> Well announced that it will be announced in 20 days.
>> http://nikonimaging.com/global/
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>
> Looks like a "head 'em off at the pass" answer to the Sony Alpha.

I don't know about that really.  This looks like just a repeat of the
D100/D70 evolution - the D200 was announced almost a year ago - and the
D70/s is getting long in the tooth.  I don't think Canon or Nikon feel
threatened by Sony at the moment - but that's not to say that the deep
pockets and marketing skill of Sony won't change that in future.
I'm probably wrong, but expect this to be a D200 with plastic body,
minus aperture connecting rings to meter with non chipped lenses.  The
D200 has been a big success for Nikon - even at nearly three times the
price for a D70s body.  I expect that this new camera will be crippled
in some way apart from above - most likely it won't have the great (for
cropped sensor cameras) viewfinder of the D200.
My guess is that the immediate loser may be Canon - as I wouldn't expect
them to release an updated 350d with more mp than a 30d - and despite
there being very little image quality difference between 6 and 10mp, and
practically none between 6 and 8 or 8 and 10, bragging rights helps sell
cameras.
DD - 21 Jul 2006 06:24 GMT
> >> Well announced that it will be announced in 20 days.
> >> http://nikonimaging.com/global/
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> D100/D70 evolution - the D200 was announced almost a year ago - and the
> D70/s is getting long in the tooth.  

"Long in the tooth"? The "s" has only been around a short while and my
D70 only has about 5,000 frames on it!

Sooner or later working photographers realise that trying to keep up
with the pixel race, or the feature race just isn't a feasible business
action. They find a camera they are happy with and work it until it
works no more.

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Bill - 21 Jul 2006 07:51 GMT
>> > Looks like a "head 'em off at the pass" answer to the Sony Alpha.
>> >
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>"Long in the tooth"? The "s" has only been around a short while and my
>D70 only has about 5,000 frames on it!

The D70s is now 15 months old, introduced April 20 2005, which in the
Nikon DSLR market makes it somewhat middle aged. It's not ready for
retirement yet, but Nikon needs a new camera to keep Sony and Canon from
taking sales away with their 8mp and 10mp models.

>Sooner or later working photographers realise that trying to keep up
>with the pixel race, or the feature race just isn't a feasible business
>action. They find a camera they are happy with and work it until it
>works no more.

True. But Nikon can't sit idle and let the competition get ahead.

Nikon took a long time getting the D200 ready, and they did a good job.
This new model will likely have a lot of the same components, so it's
almost a proven design already.
cjcampbell - 21 Jul 2006 09:18 GMT
> > >> Well announced that it will be announced in 20 days.
> > >> http://nikonimaging.com/global/
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> "Long in the tooth"? The "s" has only been around a short while and my
> D70 only has about 5,000 frames on it!

You need to get out more. My D70 has nearly 20,000 frames on it. But
the "s" was only a minor upgrade; basically it got a larger LCD and
that was it. Nikon seems to have a pattern of doing an "s" when a body
is about eighteen months old.

I don't think the new camera is intended to "head 'em off at the pass."
It probably has been in development for a great deal longer than that.
But it is unlike Nikon to do a teaser ad like this, so the ad may very
well be targeted at people thinking of the Sony Alpha. So the camera
isn't a response to the Sony Alpha, but the ad might be.
DD - 21 Jul 2006 09:57 GMT
> You need to get out more. My D70 has nearly 20,000 frames on it.

I agree. Does my 2nd hand D2H with 23,000 frames taken by somebody else
count for anything? ;-)

> I don't think the new camera is intended to "head 'em off at the pass."
> It probably has been in development for a great deal longer than that.
> But it is unlike Nikon to do a teaser ad like this, so the ad may very
> well be targeted at people thinking of the Sony Alpha. So the camera
> isn't a response to the Sony Alpha, but the ad might be.

I think they are worried about Sony for nothing. Sony makes crap. Always
will. I can't see them being successful in the DSLR market unless they
start paying half their profits to the retailers at POS.

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David Kilpatrick - 21 Jul 2006 12:21 GMT
> I think they are worried about Sony for nothing. Sony makes crap. Always
> will. I can't see them being successful in the DSLR market unless they
> start paying half their profits to the retailers at POS.

Sony makes crap - sure. That's why the D200 and the new Nikon use a Sony
sensor, as do the D50, the D70, D70S, D100, D2X, D2XS, most Coolpix
models...

DK
k-man - 21 Jul 2006 12:53 GMT
Sony's electronics are great.  It's their moving parts that are crap
(i.e., broken Walkman buttons, busted CD changers).  Though, the alpha
will use much if not all of Minolta's moving parts (at least for the
mirror and anit-shake).

Kevin

> > I think they are worried about Sony for nothing. Sony makes crap. Always
> > will. I can't see them being successful in the DSLR market unless they
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>
> DK
DD - 21 Jul 2006 13:41 GMT
> Sony's electronics are great.  It's their moving parts that are crap
> (i.e., broken Walkman buttons, busted CD changers).  Though, the alpha
> will use much if not all of Minolta's moving parts (at least for the
> mirror and anit-shake).

I have a graveyard of broken Sony products. Hi-fis, CD-ROMs, headphones,
etc. I feel certain that in the near future Nikon will be making their
own sensors anyway...

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John Francis - 21 Jul 2006 17:36 GMT
>> Sony's electronics are great.  It's their moving parts that are crap
>> (i.e., broken Walkman buttons, busted CD changers).  Though, the alpha
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>etc. I feel certain that in the near future Nikon will be making their
>own sensors anyway...

I, on the other hand, have been very happy with Sony equipment for the
last quarter of a century or more, in which time I've only suffered one
failure - in the mechanisms of a bottom-of-the line CD player (CDP-30?).
Their entry-level products are cheap, and show it, but once you get
beyond that price point product quality improves considerably. I still
use a Sony linear tracking turntable for those of my LPs for which no
CD version has been released; in fact just about the only piece of my
A/V setup that isn't Sony is the second (HD) TiVo box.   Oh, and the
portable DVD player (Polaroid) and wireless headphones (AR).
Thomas T. Veldhouse - 21 Jul 2006 14:36 GMT
>> I think they are worried about Sony for nothing. Sony makes crap. Always
>> will. I can't see them being successful in the DSLR market unless they
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> sensor, as do the D50, the D70, D70S, D100, D2X, D2XS, most Coolpix
> models...

The D2X uses a CMOS sensor ... did Sony make that?  Or did Nikon create it?

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David Kilpatrick - 21 Jul 2006 16:10 GMT
>>>I think they are worried about Sony for nothing. Sony makes crap. Always
>>>will. I can't see them being successful in the DSLR market unless they
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> The D2X uses a CMOS sensor ... did Sony make that?  Or did Nikon create it?

It's a Sony/Nikon design using the same CMOS architecture as the R1 sensor.

David
Bill - 21 Jul 2006 16:28 GMT
>> Sony makes crap - sure. That's why the D200 and the new Nikon use a Sony
>> sensor, as do the D50, the D70, D70S, D100, D2X, D2XS, most Coolpix
>> models...

Sony does make some good stuff, but a lot of cheap junk too.

Years ago they made some of the best electronic items, but over the
years their outsourcing and cost cutting has really lowered their
quality levels on many items.

Today Sony relies on the name they made with the good stuff to sell
cheap junk to uneducated consumers. In many cases the cheap stuff is
good enough, so no one complains.

There are some Sony products I would buy, but many that I would not.

Sony is not the only company to be put in this status.

>The D2X uses a CMOS sensor ... did Sony make that?  Or did Nikon create it?

It was custom made for Nikon by Sony.
Geir Eivind Mork - 21 Jul 2006 20:06 GMT
DD skrev:

> I think they are worried about Sony for nothing. Sony makes crap. Always
> will. I can't see them being successful in the DSLR market unless they
> start paying half their profits to the retailers at POS.

Good to know such a vivid fan of one brand, tags one entire corp. as a
producer of crap.

The world moves ahead due to competition; Canon, Nikon, Pentax, Olympus
and all the rest makes great products. People buy them, love them and
surprise - the world is big enough for all of them to survive.

I highly doubt Sony will bankrupt Nikon, Canon will neither drive Nikon
out of business. Olympus, Pentax and Sony will probably never be the
preffered brand of the majority of photo journalists and professionals
due to the extensive framework build up over years and the lack of need
for a new brand to rise up to take over that job. But photo amatours
will buy into the brand they feel suits their need, and they will take
as good photos as their skill allows them. The cameras are merely a tool
for that purpose, and if you choose that or the other lineup it really
doesn't matter.
Thomas T. Veldhouse - 21 Jul 2006 14:35 GMT
> "Long in the tooth"? The "s" has only been around a short while and my
> D70 only has about 5,000 frames on it!

There is very little difference between a D70 and D70s.  They are the same
basic model camera, and for all intents and purposes can be considered the
same as far as release goes ... IMHO.

> Sooner or later working photographers realise that trying to keep up
> with the pixel race, or the feature race just isn't a feasible business
> action. They find a camera they are happy with and work it until it
> works no more.

I agree.  However, I believe 6MP is too small yet, as there is very little
ability to crop when attempting to print an image greater than 8x10.  I would
like to be able to crop an image a bit and print an 10x15 image or 11x17 image
without significant image degradation on the print.  Having said that, without
cropping, my D70 has done a fine job with creating images that print
beautifully at 10x15.

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DD - 24 Jul 2006 06:14 GMT
> I agree.  However, I believe 6MP is too small yet, as there is very little
> ability to crop when attempting to print an image greater than 8x10.  I would
> like to be able to crop an image a bit and print an 10x15 image or 11x17 image
> without significant image degradation on the print.  Having said that, without
> cropping, my D70 has done a fine job with creating images that print
> beautifully at 10x15.

Yep, you will be amazed at what 6MP can do. In fact, I am going
backwards and now I find that a 4.1MP D2H works fine for me (and the
price was an absolute bargain).

I hate doing post-processing work. I have never liked doing it and I
doubt I ever will take to it. If I can get near perfect images out of
the camera, then I am happy. So far the D70 has been fantastic in jpg
mode for me.

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Bill - 24 Jul 2006 08:20 GMT
>I hate doing post-processing work. I have never liked doing it and I
>doubt I ever will take to it. If I can get near perfect images out of
>the camera, then I am happy. So far the D70 has been fantastic in jpg
>mode for me.

I agree that if it gives you what you want, that's all there is to it.

However, I've found the D70 loses some detail and sharpness in jpg mode,
so I use it in raw mode and convert later - not too troublesome but I'm
used to it though.

Since you like the results in jpg, have you considered running a simple
batch conversion? If you fiddle with the settings a lot in jpg, then it
might not work for you. But if you tend to just shoot, where all the
basic settings are the same, a batch job might be useful.
DD - 24 Jul 2006 10:20 GMT
> >I hate doing post-processing work. I have never liked doing it and I
> >doubt I ever will take to it. If I can get near perfect images out of
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> might not work for you. But if you tend to just shoot, where all the
> basic settings are the same, a batch job might be useful.

What I did at the A1GP in January was set it to shoot RAW and JPG
simultaneously. I got such good jpgs that much of the RAW files were
unneeded.

Must say though, that shooting RAW with the D2H seems to be a pre-
requisite. Damn, that camera has a lot of settings to look out for!

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cjcampbell - 21 Jul 2006 01:23 GMT
> Well announced that it will be announced in 20 days.
> http://nikonimaging.com/global/
> Seems a D70/s replacement is coming.
> Entirely new Nikon model names have had trademark applications
> registered at US Patent and Trademark Office.  Nothing new there.

Nice teaser images. I thought that the D70 replacement would have 8Mp,
but it makes sense to use a sensor they already have.

The D70 stole a lot of sales from the D100, having almost all the
features of that venerable machine for less than half the price. I
suspect that this new camera will be a D200 lite -- a few minor
differences, a plastic body instead of a magnesium one, not as well
sealed, but otherwise having the most essential features of the D200.
It might even use the same inexpensive remote control that the D70
uses, instead of the clunky wireless thing you need for the D200.

Adorama finally shipped my D200. I expect it sometime next week. If my
daughter can keep her hands off of it. :-) She uses Canon, but when I
asked her what she wanted for Christmas, she said, "I have it right
here."
Thomas T. Veldhouse - 21 Jul 2006 14:39 GMT
>> Well announced that it will be announced in 20 days.
>> http://nikonimaging.com/global/
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> It might even use the same inexpensive remote control that the D70
> uses, instead of the clunky wireless thing you need for the D200.

So many people call it a "plastic body".  In reality, it is a poly-carbonate
body.  Poly-carbonate is not a tradition polymer like plastic and is a much
more durible substance.  I like it better than whatever the Canon products
use.

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Bill - 21 Jul 2006 16:28 GMT
>So many people call it a "plastic body".  In reality, it is a poly-carbonate
>body.  Poly-carbonate is not a tradition polymer like plastic and is a much
>more durible substance.

Where did you get that idea?

Polycarbonate is a clear polymer plastic like "lexan" used to make
bulletproof glass (additives are used to make it black and resistant to
ultraviolet light to prevent fading).

>  I like it better than whatever the Canon products use.

Surprise!

Canon Digital Rebel, Rebel XT, some film bodies, lense housings, etc.
are all made of polycarbonate plastics.
Thomas T. Veldhouse - 21 Jul 2006 16:47 GMT
>>So many people call it a "plastic body".  In reality, it is a poly-carbonate
>>body.  Poly-carbonate is not a tradition polymer like plastic and is a much
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> bulletproof glass (additives are used to make it black and resistant to
> ultraviolet light to prevent fading).

Fair enough ... you are correct, and I was mistaken.  I derived this on the
fact that they used to have plastic lenses in glasses and then the durable
polycarbonate lenses.  By definition, polycarbonate is based upon a polymer
and therefor a plastic, but there are different plastics.  We made specific
use of polycarbonate over other types of plastic in college for use with
failure testing and it was never referred to as simply plastic.  Odd.


>>  I like it better than whatever the Canon products use.
>
> Surprise!
>
> Canon Digital Rebel, Rebel XT, some film bodies, lense housings, etc.
> are all made of polycarbonate plastics.

Yes, surprise indeed based upon my preconceived terms above.  In any event,
the Canon Rebel bodies feel extremely cheap and now I have no explanation for
that. :-)

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Bill - 21 Jul 2006 17:34 GMT
>  We made specific
>use of polycarbonate over other types of plastic in college for use with
>failure testing and it was never referred to as simply plastic.  Odd.

In technical labs and under the roof of an educational facility I would
expect them to use the proper names, so not referring to it as plastic
seems right.

Even in high school physics we called butane, naphtha, and propane by
their names, not just "gas".

>> Canon Digital Rebel, Rebel XT, some film bodies, lense housings, etc.
>> are all made of polycarbonate plastics.
>
>Yes, surprise indeed based upon my preconceived terms above.  In any event,
>the Canon Rebel bodies feel extremely cheap and now I have no explanation for
>that. :-)

Well I have the Canon XT and Nikon D70s sitting beside me here and I've
used both extensively. I don't think the Canon feels any different from
the Nikon from a durability standpoint.

The two cameras have different handling characteristics where the Nikon
is bigger and heavier, and people may take that to imply somewhat better
construction, but I don't believe that's true.
G.T. - 21 Jul 2006 17:44 GMT
> the Canon Rebel bodies feel extremely cheap and now I have no explanation for
> that. :-)

I do.  Blind brand loyalty.

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Thomas T. Veldhouse - 21 Jul 2006 18:09 GMT
>> the Canon Rebel bodies feel extremely cheap and now I have no explanation for
>> that. :-)
>
> I do.  Blind brand loyalty.

No, I don't believe so.  I like the 20D.  I almost bought the 20D over the
D70, but decided the best value at the time was with the D70.  I have since
committed myself to a brand for obvious reasons.

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DoN. Nichols - 21 Jul 2006 23:41 GMT
According to Thomas T. Veldhouse <veldy71@yahoo.com>:

    [ ... ]

> > Polycarbonate is a clear polymer plastic like "lexan" used to make
> > bulletproof glass (additives are used to make it black and resistant to
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> use of polycarbonate over other types of plastic in college for use with
> failure testing and it was never referred to as simply plastic.  Odd.

    That is because in a technological enterprise such as a failure
testing lab, precision is important -- including in terminology.
"Plastic" is too imprecise a term -- you need to know *which* "plastic"
is under test -- it makes a *big* difference.

    Enjoy,
        DoN.

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cjcampbell - 21 Jul 2006 03:14 GMT
> Well announced that it will be announced in 20 days.
> http://nikonimaging.com/global/
> Seems a D70/s replacement is coming.
> Entirely new Nikon model names have had trademark applications
> registered at US Patent and Trademark Office.  Nothing new there.

Thom Hogan speculates that the new model is *not* a D70/s replacement,
as it is touted as an addition to Nikon's line. That would mean the
D80. It still does not address the gaping hole in the lineup between
the D200 and the D2xs. But what if it did?
frederick - 21 Jul 2006 04:32 GMT
>> Well announced that it will be announced in 20 days.
>> http://nikonimaging.com/global/
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> D80. It still does not address the gaping hole in the lineup between
> the D200 and the D2xs. But what if it did?

What gaping hole between D2x and D200?  The price?
cjcampbell - 21 Jul 2006 08:42 GMT
> >> Well announced that it will be announced in 20 days.
> >> http://nikonimaging.com/global/
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> >
> What gaping hole between D2x and D200?  The price?

Good point. What really needs to be done is reduce the price on the
D2xs and introduce a $4000 D3. But then, as long as I am wishing, how
about we just cut all the prices by 2/3? :-)
Michael Schnell - 22 Jul 2006 07:34 GMT
> and introduce a $4000 D3.

With a 35mm sensor :). (Just dreaming.)
-Michael
cjcampbell - 31 Jul 2006 05:33 GMT
> Well announced that it will be announced in 20 days.
> http://nikonimaging.com/global/
> Seems a D70/s replacement is coming.
> Entirely new Nikon model names have had trademark applications
> registered at US Patent and Trademark Office.  Nothing new there.

Ken Rockwell has pictures of the Nikon D80 up on his web site, along
with a description. It will be interesting to see how accurate it is.

Those of you who read Rockwell know where to find his site. Those of
you who hate him do, too. Personally, I like him. He does a good job of
letting some of the hot air out of the balloons sent up by some of the
more bombastic toads that dwell here. Most of the people who criticize
him for accuracy are themselves even less knowledgeable.
Espen Stranger Seland - 31 Jul 2006 23:42 GMT
>Most of the people who criticize
>him for accuracy are themselves even less knowledgeable.

Guess you use the same empirical method that Rockwell use.

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SMS - 02 Aug 2006 11:46 GMT
>> Most of the people who criticize
>> him for accuracy are themselves even less knowledgeable.
>
> Guess you use the same empirical method that Rockwell use.

I still chuckle about when Rockwell insisted that there was no D70s
coming, only a couple of days before it was announced.

Still, the D80 appears to be real, but looks like an upgrade of the D50,
not the D70.
Bill - 02 Aug 2006 15:10 GMT
>>> Most of the people who criticize
>>> him for accuracy are themselves even less knowledgeable.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>Still, the D80 appears to be real, but looks like an upgrade of the D50,
>not the D70.

Speculation.

If this D80 turns out to be an upgrade from the D50, then I would expect
Nikon has a D90 or whatever in the works to upgrade from the D70s.

But something I noticed, if the pictures are accurate, it has a DOF
preview button as well as a programmable button on it. There are two
control dials, not one. It also looks like it has a remote shutter port.
On top of all that, it has 10mp.

That's quite a lot more than the D70s offers, and the only thing that
indicates a D50 upgrade is the SD card usage. And Nikons teaser shows it
as an addition, not an upgrade.

But it's all speculation.

I guess we'll know for sure in a week...
ian - 02 Aug 2006 19:04 GMT
>>>> Most of the people who criticize
>>>> him for accuracy are themselves even less knowledgeable.
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>
> I guess we'll know for sure in a week...

canons launch dates for printers and dslr tend to be september onwards.
Nikon go for around january or so at least in the uk.   If nikon do anything
new the uk will probably officially hear it in january with the uk pma in
birmingham nec around march april time.
Bill - 02 Aug 2006 20:47 GMT
>> If this D80 turns out to be an upgrade from the D50, then I would expect
>> Nikon has a D90 or whatever in the works to upgrade from the D70s.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>new the uk will probably officially hear it in january with the uk pma in
>birmingham nec around march april time.

I don't know if you realize it or not, but Nikon has a teaser campaign
running right now with an official announcement date next week on
Wednesday August 9th 2006.

This includes the UK site:

http://www.nikon.co.uk/

Which is different from the US:

http://www.nikonusa.com/

Many of the other Nikon sites are running these teasers as well, such as
Canada, China, Hong Kong, Korea, Singapore, Brazil, Turkey, etc.
Geo - 18 Jan 2007 02:57 GMT
it's going to be the D34 1/8 soon

g

> > If this D80 turns out to be an upgrade from the D50, then I would expect
> > Nikon has a D90 or whatever in the works to upgrade from the D70s.
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> new the uk will probably officially hear it in january with the uk pma in
> birmingham nec around march april time.
jhthurman - 18 Jan 2007 16:18 GMT
Maybe I came into this late, but I believe the D80 is targeted as the
replacement for the D70s, and the new D40 is the replacement for the D50.

I have a D200 and from what I've seen, the D80 gives you about 90% of what a
D200 will do, at a much lower price.

The new D40 is a great little camera....I bought two for Christmas to give
to my son and daughter. It's very light and fast, and takes really good
pictures. While it's only a 6MP camera, Nikon did a great job with the image
processing and the picture quality is outstanding....perfect for that target
audience of DSLR beginners or casual shooters. The camera is very small and
light, making it easy to carry almost anywhere.

> it's going to be the D34 1/8 soon
>
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>> new the uk will probably officially hear it in january with the uk pma in
>> birmingham nec around march april time.
Dr. Georg N.Nyman - 18 Jan 2007 18:21 GMT
I can only agree to your comments regarding the D40. Currently, I am testing
it to write another review for my website and what I have seen and tested
until now is impressive for such a low priced, smallish and lightweight
6MPx DSLR - very good color, nice resolving power, a lot of features and
excellent image processing algorithms.
Georg Nyman
http://www.gnyman.com

> Maybe I came into this late, but I believe the D80 is targeted as the
> replacement for the D70s, and the new D40 is the replacement for the D50.
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>>> new the uk will probably officially hear it in january with the uk pma
>>> in birmingham nec around march april time.
Not Disclosed - 18 Jan 2007 23:31 GMT
> Maybe I came into this late, but I believe the D80 is targeted as the
>  replacement for the D70s, and the new D40 is the replacement for the
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> casual shooters. The camera is very small and light, making it easy
> to carry almost anywhere.

As Nikon removed features from the D50, I would consider the D40 a new
camera. I look at replacements as a slight upgrade, therefore the
replacement for the D50 is the D80, and the replacement of the D70s is
the D200. Especially in light of the price drops (now sells in Ottawa
for $1,650cdn body)
Not Disclosed - 18 Jan 2007 23:27 GMT
> it's going to be the D34 1/8 soon
>
> g
>
>>> If this D80 turns out to be an upgrade from the D50, then I would expect
>>> Nikon has a D90 or whatever in the works to upgrade from the D70s.

The D200 is the D70/D70s replacement, now that the D200 body (in Ottawa)
sells for $1650cdn. THe D50 was replaced with the D80, and the D40 is a
new entry level camera that competes with the Pentax K100D and the new
Canon 3000D (6 MP, entry level dSLR)

The expected Canon 50D is to compete with the D200. Expect a 20D to 30D
type of upgrade for the 5D.

The Fuji S5 Pro price in Canada is pegged at $2,499.99.
(http://www.fujifilm.ca/documents/Fuji_S5Pro_CB.pdf)

Expect the normal leaks and leakvertisements to start shortly, as the
Spring PMA 2007 show runs March 8-11, 2007
cjcampbell - 20 Jan 2007 05:56 GMT
>> it's going to be the D34 1/8 soon
>>
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> Expect the normal leaks and leakvertisements to start shortly, as the
> Spring PMA 2007 show runs March 8-11, 2007

No kidding. The Nikon rumors are a D200s (possibly in-camera VR, sensor
cleaner), the D3h (fast, sports photography camera), the D3x (35mm sensor),
and maybe a D90.

I would expect only one or two of the above to actually be introduced. My
guess is the D200s and the D3h or D3x.

Whatever new camera you get excited about (Canon 50D or one of the above
Nikons or whatever) my advice would be to hold off at least six months before
getting one. Wait at least for the first firmware update to be released and
RAW converters for your favorite software. Almost every new camera introduced
seems to have some bugs that need ironing out.

Mind, I don't always listen to my own advice. :-)
Little Green Eyed Dragon - 20 Jan 2007 15:39 GMT
> Whatever new camera you get excited about (Canon 50D or one of the above
> Nikons or whatever) my advice would be to hold off at least six months before
> getting one.

>Wait at least for the first firmware update to be released and
> RAW converters for your favorite software. Almost every new camera introduced
> seems to have some bugs that need ironing out.
>
> Mind, I don't always listen to my own advice. :-)

That's a good thing probably because:

That all makes it a year from introduction, and by that time the new
generation is under way. The best policy "imop" is to use what you have
until it no longer suits the need, then do some research and
decide...otherwise you drive yourself bonkers.

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Richard H. - 20 Jan 2007 17:19 GMT
>>Expect the normal leaks and leakvertisements to start shortly, as the
>>Spring PMA 2007 show runs March 8-11, 2007
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> I would expect only one or two of the above to actually be introduced. My
> guess is the D200s and the D3h or D3x.

Many of Nikon's DSLR lines were refreshed last year (D40/D80/D2Xs).
Those aren't due for an update until 2008, if only for the practical
need to recoup the development & tooling costs and turn a profit.

Looking at recent history, Nikon's DSLR refresh cycle has been 16-21
months.  That makes D2Hs (23 months) and D200 (15 months) the most
likely candidates.

> Whatever new camera you get excited about (Canon 50D or one of the above
> Nikons or whatever) my advice would be to hold off at least six months before
> getting one. Wait at least for the first firmware update to be released and
> RAW converters for your favorite software. Almost every new camera introduced
> seems to have some bugs that need ironing out.

Or, buying one generation back from the cutting-edge can be a great
value, more stable, and offers more complementing software /
accessories.  But those are rational points - it's emotionally tough to
make a major purchase that's not the latest tech. :-)

Cheers,
Richard
 
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