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Canon DRebel Disappointment

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Charles - 19 Jul 2006 05:38 GMT
I am trying to take a picture of a fluorescent mineral.

I need to suppress the built in flash

control the aperture for depth of field

set down the exposure compensation so the highlights don't get
blown-out

the DRebel does all that, only I want to do all three at the same
time.

I kind of miss the control I had with my old Vivitar 450.
G.T. - 19 Jul 2006 06:26 GMT
> I am trying to take a picture of a fluorescent mineral.
>
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> the DRebel does all that, only I want to do all three at the same
> time.

Have you read your manual?

Greg

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Charles - 19 Jul 2006 06:35 GMT
>> I am trying to take a picture of a fluorescent mineral.
>>
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>
>Greg

Yes.  Spent some time with it last night, that's how I'm sure that I
can do any one of these things at a time, but not more than one.  At
least that's all I could get out of the manual.
G.T. - 19 Jul 2006 06:40 GMT
>>>I am trying to take a picture of a fluorescent mineral.
>>>
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> can do any one of these things at a time, but not more than one.  At
> least that's all I could get out of the manual.

They're 3 entirely different controls on the Rebel XT and I believe they
were the same on the Rebel although I haven't had my Rebel for quite
some time.

Turn off the flash, set the mode to aperture priority, and lower your
exposure compensation.

Greg

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Charles - 19 Jul 2006 06:55 GMT
>>>>I am trying to take a picture of a fluorescent mineral.
>>>>
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>
>Greg

Good if I could.  On my DRebel the mode knob on top lets me select Av,
or no flash (among others).  Exposure compensation doesn't seem to
work in "no flash" mode, it only works in the creative modes.   I just
read the manual again, and tried it.  No flash isn't a creative mode.
I can overpower the aperture setting problem by using an older Pentax
type lens, but I still have the conflict between flash and exposure
compensation.
J. Clarke - 19 Jul 2006 13:14 GMT
>>>>>I am trying to take a picture of a fluorescent mineral.
>>>>>
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> type lens, but I still have the conflict between flash and exposure
> compensation.

Uh, does the flash pop up automatically in Av mode? According to the manual
it is not supposed to in any of the "creative" modes unless you explicitly
press the flash button.

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Charles - 19 Jul 2006 18:08 GMT
>Uh, does the flash pop up automatically in Av mode? According to the manual
>it is not supposed to in any of the "creative" modes unless you explicitly
>press the flash button.

Further trials demonstrate that you are right, and that I was wrong.
Too much thinking about things on my part, not enough trying them.
Thomas T. Veldhouse - 19 Jul 2006 17:53 GMT
> Good if I could.  On my DRebel the mode knob on top lets me select Av,
> or no flash (among others).  Exposure compensation doesn't seem to
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> type lens, but I still have the conflict between flash and exposure
> compensation.

You know, I have to wonder if you even have the camera.  Have you even tried
it?  My brother has the camera and I have used it (I own a Nikon D70).  I had
not issue doing the basic things you were talking about and I didn't even need
the manual (no offense).

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SkipM - 20 Jul 2006 05:39 GMT
>>>>>I am trying to take a picture of a fluorescent mineral.
>>>>>
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> type lens, but I still have the conflict between flash and exposure
> compensation.

First, set the camera to one of the creative modes.  Don't use the basic
modes, they'll just screw you up.  Since you want to control aperture, use
Av, then you can set the exposure comp as you want, and the flash won't pop
up on its own.  Anyone who's serious about getting the right shot won't use
the basic modes, anyway...

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Bill - 19 Jul 2006 06:46 GMT
>> I am trying to take a picture of a fluorescent mineral.
>>
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>
>Have you read your manual?

I believe GT is correct, since most DSLRs have this ability, it should
be explained in the manual.

This how I would do it:

Set it to aperture priority to control the depth of field.

The flash will not fire when it is down.

Dial in the amount of negative EC you want by holding down the +/-
button and turning the control dial.

Use a tripod or stable surface if the shutter speed is too slow.

Snap away...
Charles - 19 Jul 2006 07:04 GMT
>>> I am trying to take a picture of a fluorescent mineral.
>>>
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>
>Snap away...

Hey, that worked!  thanks.  Not sure why the flash stayed down, but it
did.

Exposure was 30 seconds with room lighting, now to play with things
and see if I can get a good picture.  Thanks much.
Bill - 19 Jul 2006 13:19 GMT
>>Set it to aperture priority to control the depth of field.
>>
>>The flash will not fire when it is down.
>
>Hey, that worked!  thanks.  Not sure why the flash stayed down, but it
>did.

If you check your manual again, you'll find that the flash will not
automatically pop up when you're in any of the creative modes
(P,Tv,Av,M).

But if you want to use flash or fill, you just tap the flash button on
the side and it pops up ready to go.
Charles - 19 Jul 2006 07:26 GMT
>>> I am trying to take a picture of a fluorescent mineral.
>>>
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>
>Snap away...

If you'd like to see what you have enabled,
http://www.pbase.com/ckraft/image/63757808

Upper right cornet is just too bring to bring in with the rest of the
rock.  Photoshopped to change brightness/contrast as best I could.
G.T. - 19 Jul 2006 16:10 GMT
> If you'd like to see what you have enabled,
> http://www.pbase.com/ckraft/image/63757808

That's not benitoite in there, is it?

Greg
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Charles - 19 Jul 2006 18:05 GMT
>> If you'd like to see what you have enabled,
>> http://www.pbase.com/ckraft/image/63757808
>
>That's not benitoite in there, is it?
>
>Greg

I don't think so, it is from the wrong part of the state.  I haven't
identified the minerals, but is seems to be a surface effect, the
other side of the rock is not as active.
Charles - 19 Jul 2006 09:14 GMT
>>> I am trying to take a picture of a fluorescent mineral.
>>>
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>
>Snap away...

Oh, by the way, you just ruined a good excuse for me to buy a new
camera.  Hope you're happy.  :-)
Bill - 19 Jul 2006 13:19 GMT
>Oh, by the way, you just ruined a good excuse for me to buy a new
>camera.  Hope you're happy.  :-)

Why buy a new camera? The Rebel is a fine camera with plenty of features
and good image quality. The only reason I would consider upgrading would
be for a larger buffer when shooting sports or a specific feature the
Rebel lacked.

My first digital SLR is the Canon Rebel XT, but I think I would have
been happy with the original if I had moved to digital sooner. Besides,
the glass on the front of the camera is usually more important to image
quality than the body.
Prometheus - 19 Jul 2006 17:52 GMT
>Besides, the glass on the front of the camera is usually more important
>to image quality than the body.

That and the wetware behind it.
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Prometheus - 19 Jul 2006 08:36 GMT
>I am trying to take a picture of a fluorescent mineral.
>
>I need to suppress the built in flash

Use any creative mode, and leave the flash down.

>control the aperture for depth of field

Use Av creative mode.

>set down the exposure compensation so the highlights don't get
>blown-out

Press Av on the rear and turn the adjustment wheel for the offset you
require.

>the DRebel does all that, only I want to do all three at the same
>time.

No problem, it does.

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Charles - 19 Jul 2006 08:44 GMT
>>I am trying to take a picture of a fluorescent mineral.
>>
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>
>No problem, it does.

Got it, thanks.
Mick Anderson - 19 Jul 2006 09:50 GMT
Why don't you just shoot it in manual mode?
Thomas T. Veldhouse - 19 Jul 2006 17:50 GMT
> I am trying to take a picture of a fluorescent mineral.
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> I kind of miss the control I had with my old Vivitar 450.

Put it in apeture priority and stop down the lens.  Do not activate the
built-in flash ... not too tough.  Use exposure compensation at will.

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