Hi All,
A friend of mine is a pro portrait photographer using a Nikon D50 in a
studio setting. He's telling me that he's getting color balance
changes between one photo and the next with the same subject, lighting
and background & etc. After much discussion it seems to me the camera
is most likely the problem. He going to borrow another camera to try.
Has anyone here run into this?
Thanks,
GW
ColinD - 18 Jul 2006 11:01 GMT
> Hi All,
> A friend of mine is a pro portrait photographer using a Nikon D50 in a
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Thanks,
> GW
A D50 is most definitely *not* a professional camera, or anywhere near
it. As a pro he should be aiming considerably higher, D200, Canon 30D
minimums.
Colin D.

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Gray_Wolf - 18 Jul 2006 11:29 GMT
>> Hi All,
>> A friend of mine is a pro portrait photographer using a Nikon D50 in a
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>
>Colin D.
Thanks for the reply. I'll pass that along. For what he's doing he
says the D50 would be fine if it wern't for the color problem.
Thomas T. Veldhouse - 18 Jul 2006 15:16 GMT
> A D50 is most definitely *not* a professional camera, or anywhere near
> it. As a pro he should be aiming considerably higher, D200, Canon 30D
> minimums.
There is no reason he can't make professional portraits with a D50. The only
issue that I see is the lack of resolution as many people really want their
portraits blown up. That issue will not affect color balance. The OP should
tell his friend to shoot RAW for a bit and to adjust white balance manually on
the RAW image and do the post processing himself rather than rely upon the
camera to do it. If the OP's friend is not being consistant between shots
(i.e. small lighting changes, position changes, focal length changes, etc},
there will be differences in how the camara evaluates the scene ... he should
learn to control these variables before drawing any conclusions.

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J. Clarke - 18 Jul 2006 16:10 GMT
>> Hi All,
>> A friend of mine is a pro portrait photographer using a Nikon D50 in a
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> it. As a pro he should be aiming considerably higher, D200, Canon 30D
> minimums.
So how would using one of those address the issue that is under discussion?
> Colin D.

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Ole Larsen - 18 Jul 2006 11:26 GMT
Gray_Wolf skrev:
> Hi All,
> A friend of mine is a pro portrait photographer using a Nikon D50 in a
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Thanks,
> GW
Probably a light or exposure setup that changes without he notices.
D 50 - unless defect - is fully up to the job

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Gray_Wolf - 18 Jul 2006 11:38 GMT
>Gray_Wolf skrev:
>> Hi All,
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>
>Probably a light or exposure setup that changes without he notices.
Thanks, I considered that. He says nothing changes in between shots.
He says he doesn't have this problem with film so I'm betting it's
the camera. I'll post when I find out for sure.
Thomas T. Veldhouse - 18 Jul 2006 15:20 GMT
>>Probably a light or exposure setup that changes without he notices.
>
> Thanks, I considered that. He says nothing changes in between shots.
> He says he doesn't have this problem with film so I'm betting it's
> the camera. I'll post when I find out for sure.
Negative Film has more exposure lattitude. I am now convinced it is your
friend not really knowing how to use his camera.

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DD - 18 Jul 2006 11:55 GMT
> Hi All,
> A friend of mine is a pro portrait photographer using a Nikon D50 in a
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> is most likely the problem. He going to borrow another camera to try.
> Has anyone here run into this?
If he's shooting RAW he won't have to worry about the colour temperature
as he can change this with software, but from the sounds of it he might
have a faulty camera. Best to send it in.

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Gray_Wolf - 18 Jul 2006 13:16 GMT
>> Hi All,
>> A friend of mine is a pro portrait photographer using a Nikon D50 in a
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>as he can change this with software, but from the sounds of it he might
>have a faulty camera. Best to send it in.
Thanks for the reply. I just looked at some photos he sent me an I'm
more convinced it's the camera.
DD - 18 Jul 2006 13:46 GMT
> >> Hi All,
> >> A friend of mine is a pro portrait photographer using a Nikon D50 in a
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Thanks for the reply. I just looked at some photos he sent me an I'm
> more convinced it's the camera.
I had a similar problem with a Canon D60 when I was shooting products
with the E-TTL lighting system. Almost every shot produced a different
colour. Of course Canon couldn't explain it, but eventually I just
packed it in an went back to Nikon.

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Kyle and Lori Greene - 18 Jul 2006 13:09 GMT
> Hi All,
> A friend of mine is a pro portrait photographer using a Nikon D50 in a
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Thanks,
> GW
Have him check if he has the white balance set to Auto. I've had this
happen on my D50 a couple of times when I've shot a number of frames in
succession of the same subject. For some reason the camera decides that the
lighting on frame 4 of 9 needs the white balance to be different. If he
sets the white balance to either a fixed setting, or better yet, use the
preset and measure with a grey card he shouldn't see any shift. Also, if he
shoots in RAW instead of JPEG, he'll be able to adjust the white
balance/color temperature to whatever he needs regardless of what the camera
selects.
Kyle.
tomm42 - 18 Jul 2006 13:47 GMT
> Hi All,
> A friend of mine is a pro portrait photographer using a Nikon D50 in a
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Thanks,
> GW
If your friend is shooting with sudio strobes with modeling lights he
may not be waiting long enough for the strobes to recycle, a problem
with cheaper strobe units. So if he is shooting automatic the camera
will expose for the modeling lights. With this scenario some pictures
will be much warmer than others. With many digital cameras the auto
white balance will work from 4000 degrees K to 7000 degrees K. Modeling
light are significantly below 4000K.
Just someting to watch out for, have seen it happen on film and
digital.
Tom
Pat - 18 Jul 2006 16:22 GMT
Randall hasn't been around lately, so I will play Randall for this one
time and one time only.
I don't have a problem with the camera he's using, but I think there
are at least two other problems.
First, if he's a pro photographer is a studio setting, why doesn't he
just go grab a back-up body and use it. Nobody should be relying on 1
body for professional work because somethimes they break or go screwy.
Second, a person acting as a pro should have a reasonable amount of
technical savy and knowledge of his equipment. Why is he asking YOU
and having YOU post to a ng. For any of about two dozen people in this
ng, I am certain that if you put them in that studio with that camera,
they would figure out what piece of equipment is causing the problem in
about half an hour (or less). Given a bit more time, they would
probably be able to figure out a work-around that would work fine until
the camera or whatever gets fixed. For example, has your friend turned
off auto-white balance? Has he custom white-balanced? Has he gone to
manual mode? Is he independently metering the light? Has he checked
ALL the batteries in ALL the equipment? What equipment has he swapped
out? Does it happen in all modes including RAW? Has he checked the
EXIF data to see if there are any differences? Has he set up a
still-life scene and shot a couple of hundred images and see if they
vary? I think any professional, semi-pro, or advanced amature would
have went right down this list before he/she even thought of asking for
help. What has your friend done other than complain to you?
What does he mean by "color balance"? Is it white balance or color
tempurature? It is saturation or image density? Can he post a session
with good photos and bad photos?
I do not want to sound condensending, but if he has checked things out
you should say what he has done and what the results are. If he
hasn't, then ....
Good luck with it.
Pat.
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> Hi All,
> A friend of mine is a pro portrait photographer using a Nikon D50 in a
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Thanks,
> GW
Jeremy Nixon - 18 Jul 2006 18:06 GMT
> A friend of mine is a pro portrait photographer using a Nikon D50 in a
> studio setting. He's telling me that he's getting color balance
> changes between one photo and the next with the same subject, lighting
> and background & etc. After much discussion it seems to me the camera
> is most likely the problem.
Tell "your friend" not to set white balance to automatic in that kind of
setting. The camera will end up varying it from one shot to the next.
Since your lighting is controlled and consistent, you don't need or want
automatic white balance. I mean, he doesn't. If they're studio strobes
you could set it to 5600k or 5400k, and fix up any slight difference in
the raw conversion. I mean, he could.

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DoN. Nichols - 18 Jul 2006 20:21 GMT
According to Gray_Wolf <G_Wolf@nospam.com>:
> Hi All,
> A friend of mine is a pro portrait photographer using a Nikon D50 in a
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> is most likely the problem. He going to borrow another camera to try.
> Has anyone here run into this?
With auto white balance turned on (the default), small changes
in what colors are present in the metering areas can affect the white
balance in *any* sufficiently advanced digital camera. (Some old ones
may not have any way to change the white balance, so this does not
apply there.)
For consistent white balance with the D50 (or others) in the
studio, I would suggest either to manually select one of the white
balance choices from the menu, or better, meter from an 18% gray card to
set a custom white balance under the studio lighting, and select that
custom white balance for all of your shots.
The auto white balance makes some assumptions about what
percentage of the image area is typical background (white walls, green
grass, blue sky), and what percentage is the actual subject. It tries
to guess a white balance from this information, and (as in portraits,
where the subject can be a very large percentage of the image area) it
is easy for the clothing, or even an over-rouged cheek, to shift the
white balance from shot to shot as you go from pose to pose -- even with
the same subject. If he is running from individual to individual, each
with their own clothing color choices, it becomes even more extreme, of
course.
So -- manually selecting a white balance which is close to what
he is using will help, or (if possible) using the 18% gray card to
select a custom color balance based on the lighting, and *not* on the
subject will give a stable balance from shot to shot -- unless the power
line voltage is drifting up and down, and the lighting is incandescent,
in which case the auto white balance might be the best bet after all.
Good Luck,
DoN.

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Thomas T. Veldhouse - 18 Jul 2006 20:43 GMT
> With auto white balance turned on (the default), small changes
> in what colors are present in the metering areas can affect the white
> balance in *any* sufficiently advanced digital camera. (Some old ones
> may not have any way to change the white balance, so this does not
> apply there.)
And frankly, for professional work like this, and where white balance is so
critical, shooting RAW seems like a wonderful solution as the white balance
selection at the time the image is captured is irrelavent and it leaves time
for the processor to get it correct. With portraits, there is often a
significant amount of post processing that occurs anyway, so this should be a
nit. So, a good default is to set the whitebalance to your favorite setting
(i.e. flash) or set it to the temperature of the studio lighting (it is easily
adjusted in post processing with no image degradation).

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