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What should I buy D50 or Canon 350D

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abbasam - 18 Jul 2006 06:09 GMT
I have been thinking of buying DSLR for some time now. I have narrowed down
my search to two SLR that I like.
The Nikon D50 and the Canon 350D.
Which do you think I should go for and why?
What do you like or dislike about the camera, if you are a user?
Steve Wolfe - 18 Jul 2006 06:15 GMT
>I have been thinking of buying DSLR for some time now. I have narrowed down
> my search to two SLR that I like.
> The Nikon D50 and the Canon 350D.
> Which do you think I should go for and why?

 I think that you should pick the one that most suits your needs.  Makes
sense, doesn't it?  After all, *you* are planning on using the camera, not
us...

steve
King Sardon - 18 Jul 2006 06:27 GMT
>>I have been thinking of buying DSLR for some time now. I have narrowed down
>> my search to two SLR that I like.
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>
>steve

Very wise and accurate... but doesn't help the OP one bit.

Like loudspeaker buying advice: just listen to them and buy the ones
you like. Cop-out!

Buy the Canon. (Unless you have Nikon lenses, duh..) Generally, Canon
seems to have the lead in digital photography today.

K.S.
C J Southern - 18 Jul 2006 06:50 GMT
> >>I have been thinking of buying DSLR for some time now. I have narrowed down
> >> my search to two SLR that I like.
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>
> Very wise and accurate... but doesn't help the OP one bit.

I'll help the OP.

Buy the Canon.
DD - 18 Jul 2006 11:57 GMT
> Very wise and accurate... but doesn't help the OP one bit.
>
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> Buy the Canon. (Unless you have Nikon lenses, duh..) Generally, Canon
> seems to have the lead in digital photography today.

In what way?

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DoN. Nichols - 18 Jul 2006 20:06 GMT
According to DD  <figure.it.out@d_____d____.com>:

> > Very wise and accurate... but doesn't help the OP one bit.
> >
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>
> In what way?

    Perhaps in full-frame sensors.  But anyone who is choosing
between a D50 and a 350D isn't going to care about that. :-)

    Enjoy,
        DoN.

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Pete D - 18 Jul 2006 21:47 GMT
> According to DD  <figure.it.out@d_____d____.com>:
>>
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> Enjoy,
> DoN.

Agree with that, someone getting a first D-SLR should get the one that suits
them right now, compared with what they might potentially spend later it is
simply not worth worrying about. If it feels good and you like using it then
it is the right camera for you, all the manufacturers have a great range of
lenses and accessories.
JR - 18 Jul 2006 07:25 GMT
> I have been thinking of buying DSLR for some time now. I have narrowed down
> my search to two SLR that I like.
> The Nikon D50 and the Canon 350D.
> Which do you think I should go for and why?
> What do you like or dislike about the camera, if you are a user?

Buy the Nikon....better technology in THAT camera....
Adrian Boliston - 18 Jul 2006 08:31 GMT
>I have been thinking of buying DSLR for some time now. I have narrowed down
> my search to two SLR that I like.
> The Nikon D50 and the Canon 350D.
> Which do you think I should go for and why?
> What do you like or dislike about the camera, if you are a user?

These were the 2 i was considering, but they both had very basic kit lenses,
so I paid a bit extra and got a d70s which had a much better kit lens.
Rebecca Ore - 18 Jul 2006 11:08 GMT
>>I have been thinking of buying DSLR for some time now. I have narrowed down
>> my search to two SLR that I like.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> These were the 2 i was considering, but they both had very basic kit lenses,
> so I paid a bit extra and got a d70s which had a much better kit lens.

D50 body with the 18-70 lens. :)

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abbasam - 22 Jul 2006 14:57 GMT
>>>I have been thinking of buying DSLR for some time now. I have narrowed down
>>> my search to two SLR that I like.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>D50 body with the 18-70 lens. :)

Are you using the said combination
Rebecca Ore - 22 Jul 2006 16:20 GMT
>>>>I have been thinking of buying DSLR for some time now. I have narrowed down
>>>> my search to two SLR that I like.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Are you using the said combination

Yes.  I bought the body from Ritz because B&H didn't have it then, and
the import version of the 18-70 lens (around $260, I think) from
B&H. Total cost was roughly $817 plus shipping, about $100 less than
the B&H price for the D70s with the kit lens). My other lenses are the
VR 105mm macro and a 50mm f/1.8 (both US lenses with the 5 year
warranty).  I've played with a neighbor's 18-200 -- it's a nice lens,
too, but extends out a long way.  I got the f/1.8 lens for the price
difference between the two cameras.

If the $100 difference isn't significant to you, then I'd go with the
D70s for the possibility of wired shutter release, depth of field
preview, and a bit more ease in setting shutter and aperture with two
different control wheels.

This is a crop from a shot with the 18-70 at 70 mm:

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4400723

and another:

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4400718&size=lg

The f/1.8 and the VR macro *are* sharper:

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4592832 for the macro (cropped).

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4408558 for the f/1.8 (cropped).

If you really want to go cheap and good, the D50 with the 50mm f1.8 is
quite nice, too.

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abbasam - 24 Jul 2006 17:00 GMT
>>>>>I have been thinking of buying DSLR for some time now. I have narrowed down
>>>>> my search to two SLR that I like.
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
>If you really want to go cheap and good, the D50 with the 50mm f1.8 is
>quite nice, too.

Thanks Rebecca, you have been a great help, plus I enjoyed looking at your
work, great potential.
Bill - 18 Jul 2006 11:13 GMT
>>I have been thinking of buying DSLR for some time now. I have narrowed down
>> my search to two SLR that I like.
>> The Nikon D50 and the Canon 350D.
>
>These were the 2 i was considering, but they both had very basic kit lenses,
>so I paid a bit extra and got a d70s which had a much better kit lens.

There's no reason why you can't buy the D50 body with the 18-70 lense to
get essentially the same results.

Both cameras can provide excellent images. I think the Nikon D50 is the
better price/performance camera right now.

Having said that, how the camera feels in your hands is an important
factor too. Make sure you visit a store and handle both cameras before
you make a final decision.
cjcampbell - 18 Jul 2006 09:51 GMT
> I have been thinking of buying DSLR for some time now. I have narrowed down
> my search to two SLR that I like.
> The Nikon D50 and the Canon 350D.
> Which do you think I should go for and why?
> What do you like or dislike about the camera, if you are a user?

You go for the one that feels better when you take pictures with it.
Really. Which one has a grip that feels better, which one feels more
stable when you take a picture, which one you could stand to walk
around with it in your hand all day.

They are otherwise nearly identical. Personally, I would go for the
Nikon. Not only does it feel better to me, but it has better lenses
available for it and I think the buttons and menus are better laid out.

My daughter, OTOH, went for the Canon. For the same reasons that I like
the Nikon.
Dr Hfuhruhurr - 18 Jul 2006 10:20 GMT
> I have been thinking of buying DSLR for some time now. I have narrowed down
> my search to two SLR that I like.
> The Nikon D50 and the Canon 350D.
> Which do you think I should go for and why?
> What do you like or dislike about the camera, if you are a user?

I considered both when I was looking. Never having used a 'real' SLR
and neither a Canon nor a Nikon, I went for the Nikon. It felt more
tactile and fit my hands better than the Canon. Oh and I found it
cheaper on ebay than anything else. Simple as that really.

Doc
DD - 18 Jul 2006 12:01 GMT
> I have been thinking of buying DSLR for some time now. I have narrowed down
> my search to two SLR that I like.
> The Nikon D50 and the Canon 350D.
> Which do you think I should go for and why?
> What do you like or dislike about the camera, if you are a user?

You need to look at the camera system if you are planning to get more
involved in photography. Both manufacturers have good stuff and both
have crap stuff, but having used both sytems extensively, I'd have to
say that Nikon has a more accessible, more affordable system than Canon
does.

I'll also venture that Canon are currently outsourcing their repairs to
third party vendors and that in itself is a big problem for many Canon
shooters.

Personally...it's got to be Nikon for me.

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kris.vandevijver@gmail.com - 18 Jul 2006 13:07 GMT
abbasam schreef:
> I have been thinking of buying DSLR for some time now. I have narrowed down
> my search to two SLR that I like.
> The Nikon D50 and the Canon 350D.
> Which do you think I should go for and why?
> What do you like or dislike about the camera, if you are a user?

I bought a Nikon D70s recently. Why? Because i wanted to keep my Nikon
lenses.  If i wouldn't have had any lenses, chance is that i would have
bough a 350D. Maybe, maybe not ...  personally, i don't care much about
bodies.

Until 2 months ago I was using an old Nikon body released in 1980! It
was so basic and so old and yet, i liked it and i liked a lot of the
pictures i made with it.  Both the 350d and the D50/D70 are an
incredible technological leap for me.

The body's not so important.  The lens is important and especially,
your talent to see great shots!  :-)

-Kris
Pete D - 18 Jul 2006 13:20 GMT
> abbasam schreef:
>> I have been thinking of buying DSLR for some time now. I have narrowed
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> -Kris

Thats makes no sense, especially considering the high cost of todays
D-SLR's, surely a sensible person would look at all of the available cameras
in their price range and try them to see if there was one that felt just
right, you will take far more photos with your digital than you ever did
with your film camera why wouldn't ergonomics be high on the wanted features
list. Considering you have to get out a pretty large magnifying glass to see
the difference in the end result they are all pretty equal. All the
manufacturers have a huge range of very good lenses so that is less of a
consideration unless you already have some lenses in a particular brand.
kris.vandevijver@gmail.com - 19 Jul 2006 09:49 GMT
Pete D schreef:

> > The body's not so important.  The lens is important and especially,
> > your talent to see great shots!  :-)
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> manufacturers have a huge range of very good lenses so that is less of a
> consideration unless you already have some lenses in a particular brand.

Sure it's a high cost for a decent D-SLR, but the OP has the budget, he
just can't decide between D50 and 350D. You agree that the end-result
is pretty equal between them. That's correct, because i know of amazing
photoblogs/portfolios made with either a D50/D70 or a 350D and that's
what i meant: it doesn't matter that much.  Sure ergonomics are
pleasant, but i did without them for years, so in the end, it's not a
big deal, only the picture matters :-)
Also -and i'm not sure about this- aren't the ergonomics pretty equal
between these two cameras? Or does Canon have a totally different view
about it than Nikon?

-Kris
Pete D - 19 Jul 2006 12:21 GMT
> Pete D schreef:
>> >
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
>
> -Kris

As far as I am concerned the 350D is the single worst handling camera that
Canon has ever made. Feature fore feature I would buy the Pentax because the
ergonomics are so much better, sorry, the D50 is also better.
Bill - 19 Jul 2006 13:19 GMT
>Sure it's a high cost for a decent D-SLR, but the OP has the budget, he
>just can't decide between D50 and 350D. You agree that the end-result
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>pleasant, but i did without them for years, so in the end, it's not a
>big deal, only the picture matters :-)

I agree with that.

>Also -and i'm not sure about this- aren't the ergonomics pretty equal
>between these two cameras? Or does Canon have a totally different view
>about it than Nikon?

You obviously haven't handled and used both cameras as I have.

:-)

My camera is the Canon XT/350D and a friend has the D70s. They are
COMPLETELY different in how they feel and handle.

While I like my XT for the smaller size and weight, the Nikon feels a
LOT more natural in my hands than the Canon. This is a personal thing,
but I prefer the Nikon shutter release position over the Canon 20D, and
5D as well - my index finger falls naturally on the Nikon button.

Another annoying thing is the location of the AV +/- button on the back
of the XT - I often bump it by mistake and it's too "soft" so it
responds when I don't want it.
kris.vandevijver@gmail.com - 19 Jul 2006 15:02 GMT
> My camera is the Canon XT/350D and a friend has the D70s. They are
> COMPLETELY different in how they feel and handle.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> of the XT - I often bump it by mistake and it's too "soft" so it
> responds when I don't want it.

Ah okay, i had no idea because i've never used an XT.
Well... considering the fact that i'm a D70s owner, this makes me very
happy  :-)
I heard that a D200 has far superior ergonomics than the D70 has. I
wonder how it must feel to use this one :-)

-Kris
Bill - 19 Jul 2006 16:52 GMT
>> My camera is the Canon XT/350D and a friend has the D70s. They are
>> COMPLETELY different in how they feel and handle.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>I heard that a D200 has far superior ergonomics than the D70 has. I
>wonder how it must feel to use this one :-)

I don't know if superior ergonomics is the right phrase for the D200.

It has a similar feel as the D70s but a little chunkier, heavier, but
with more direct controls. I suppose access to controls is related to
ergonomics, so I guess it fits.

:-)
J. Clarke - 18 Jul 2006 16:11 GMT
> abbasam schreef:
>> I have been thinking of buying DSLR for some time now. I have narrowed
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> The body's not so important.  The lens is important and especially,
> your talent to see great shots!  :-)

With film the body wasn't all that important.  With digital the body is also
the "film" and thus is of much greater importance.

> -Kris

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tomm42 - 18 Jul 2006 13:54 GMT
> I have been thinking of buying DSLR for some time now. I have narrowed down
> my search to two SLR that I like.
> The Nikon D50 and the Canon 350D.
> Which do you think I should go for and why?
> What do you like or dislike about the camera, if you are a user?

If you have big hands buy the Nikon, the Canon is awful for people with
big hands. Either camera will take good pictures, the D50 has very good
high ISO capabilities. With the Nikon you might want to buy the 18-70
lens, instead of the 18-55. Both are better than the Canon kit lens.
You may also want to look at Pentax and Sony/Minolta. Pentax especially
has a better viewfinder and a good kit lens. Go to a store, pick them
up and see which feels best to you.

Tom
DoN. Nichols - 18 Jul 2006 19:49 GMT
According to abbasam <u24240@uwe>:
> I have been thinking of buying DSLR for some time now. I have narrowed down
> my search to two SLR that I like.
> The Nikon D50 and the Canon 350D.
> Which do you think I should go for and why?
> What do you like or dislike about the camera, if you are a user?

    Well ... I would prefer the D70s over the D50 (and I have a
D70), but (getting way out of the price range) I would like to have a
D200 -- someday.

    However -- the first question is whether you happen to have a
*film* SLR of either of those two lines.  If so, then you have lenses
already, and it would make more sense to get a DSLR which would allow
you to continue to use those lenses.

    Lacking that determining factor, I would suggest that you go to
your local camera store and *try* both cameras in the store.  See which
one fits *your* hands better, and which one has more of the frequently
used controls where you would be able to reach them easily.  I started
with Nikon lenses, so I did not have to make that choice, but others
have tried similar tests, and some have chosen one, and some the other,
so it is an individual thing.

    If you go with the D50, I would suggest that you spend a bit
more and get the 18-70mm lens which is the "kit" lens for the D70 and
D200.  It is an excellent lens for the money, and I have heard reports
that the standard kit lenses for the D50 are not as satisfactory.

    If you intend to take photos in low light conditions (perhaps
from a seat in a theater (without flash) where the only light is on the
stage, or perhaps elsewhere -- with or without flash -- the D70 has a
button to illuminate the LCD display on the top which allows you to
check the settings.  With the D50, you will have to use a small
flashlight (perhaps as simple as a coin cell and a red LED) to
illuminate it under those conditions.

    There are other differences between the D50 and the D70 which
speak in favor of the latter for *me* -- such as having two control
dials, one for the aperture and one for the shutter speed when you are
in various modes other than full auto.  I don't know how much you will
want to control what your camera does, so this may not matter to you.

    You'll need to accept guidance from someone else for the Canon
line, since I have no experience with them.

    Good Luck,
        DoN.
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AaronW - 20 Jul 2006 02:09 GMT
> I have been thinking of buying DSLR for some time now. I have narrowed down
> my search to two SLR that I like.
> The Nikon D50 and the Canon 350D.

I wish 350D had D50's 1/500s flash sync.

350D can separate AF and shutter release on to 2 different buttons.

If you go Canon, you might start with:

Canon 350D
Canon 50/1.8
Canon 20-35/3.5-4.5
Canon 70-300/4-5.6 IS
Sigma EF 500 DG

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Bill - 20 Jul 2006 09:43 GMT
>> The Nikon D50 and the Canon 350D.
>
>I wish 350D had D50's 1/500s flash sync.

I wish the D50 had a fully mechanical shutter, but then the flash sync
would probably be slower.

>350D can separate AF and shutter release on to 2 different buttons.

FYI - so can the D50, and most other DSLRs.
Jack Mac - 20 Jul 2006 13:19 GMT
>>> The Nikon D50 and the Canon 350D.
>>
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>
>FYI - so can the D50, and most other DSLRs.

This question shows up here every few days.... and usually draws the
same replies, from some of the same individuals.
With all the camera review sites available, it's time such decisions be
made by the individual themselves.   Unless they're trolling!
My 2 cents!

Jack Mac
Thomas T. Veldhouse - 20 Jul 2006 14:22 GMT
>>> The Nikon D50 and the Canon 350D.
>>
>>I wish 350D had D50's 1/500s flash sync.
>
> I wish the D50 had a fully mechanical shutter, but then the flash sync
> would probably be slower.

Why do you want a fully mechanical shutter?  

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Fred Anonymous - 20 Jul 2006 18:30 GMT
> >>> The Nikon D50 and the Canon 350D.
> >>
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> Thomas T. Veldhouse
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Perhaps so the camera can still be used if the battery fails?

Errr .....

Regards,  Ian.
Thomas T. Veldhouse - 20 Jul 2006 14:21 GMT
>> I have been thinking of buying DSLR for some time now. I have narrowed down
>> my search to two SLR that I like.
>> The Nikon D50 and the Canon 350D.
>
> I wish 350D had D50's 1/500s flash sync.

Indeed, I will take the D50, D70(s) anyday over the Canon for the flash sync
alone ... daylight fill flash baby!

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Fred Anonymous - 20 Jul 2006 18:29 GMT
> > I have been thinking of buying DSLR for some time now. I have narrowed down
> > my search to two SLR that I like.
> > The Nikon D50 and the Canon 350D.
>
> I wish 350D had D50's 1/500s flash sync.

It can sync up to 1/4000s if you use a Canon Ex flashgun.
Of course, the guide number is reduced.

Regards,  Ian.
Thomas T. Veldhouse - 20 Jul 2006 19:52 GMT
>> > I have been thinking of buying DSLR for some time now. I have narrowed
> down
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> It can sync up to 1/4000s if you use a Canon Ex flashgun.
> Of course, the guide number is reduced.

You can actually get the D50 to sync faster too by using the right flash and
tricking the camera by blocking a pin in the flash shoe mount.  Probably a bit
of a pain though.  1/500 will do for me.

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AaronW - 21 Jul 2006 18:39 GMT
> > I have been thinking of buying DSLR for some time now. I have narrowed down
> > my search to two SLR that I like.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Canon 70-300/4-5.6 IS
> Sigma EF 500 DG

I might upgrade to:

Canon 50/1.8
Canon 85/1.8
Canon 135/2
Canon 300/2.8 IS
Canon 1.4x
Canon 2x
Canon 17-55/2.8 IS
Canon 70-200/2.8 IS
Canon TS-E 24/3.5
Canon MP-E 65/2.8 1-5x Macro

And I want a 45-135/2.8 IS if they make one.

Canon and Nikon have IS or VR in lenses. But not every lens has IS or
VR.

Minolta and Pentax have AS in camera.

So beside the camera, you might also want to consider the cost of
lenses, flash, and accessories.

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k-man - 25 Jul 2006 13:20 GMT
I personally shoot with a Nikon.  But some might argue that Canon's the
better value.

Both are fine cameras and both Nikon and Canon have excellent systems
(system includes cameras, lenses, flashes, etc.).

Either one will provide good quality.  What might sway you are the
ergonomics.  Go to a store and actually hold a D50 and hold a Rebel XT
(350D).  Which do you prefer?  Which is easier for you to adjust the
settings?

Kevin

> I have been thinking of buying DSLR for some time now. I have narrowed down
> my search to two SLR that I like.
> The Nikon D50 and the Canon 350D.
> Which do you think I should go for and why?
> What do you like or dislike about the camera, if you are a user?
Online Racer - 25 Jul 2006 16:50 GMT
> I personally shoot with a Nikon.  But some might argue that Canon's the
> better value.
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>> Which do you think I should go for and why?
>> What do you like or dislike about the camera, if you are a user?

I have both a 350 and a D 20 , The Rebel XT / 350 is a great camera as
far as I can see. It takes a good as shots as the 20 and its lighter and
cheaper :) I am a motorsports photographer and sometimes when standing
in the middle of a race track you need to run LOL the 350 is lighter and
that makes getting away much easyer for me. Again the 350 shots look
just as good as the D20 .
Best of luck.
Joe
abbasam - 28 Jul 2006 15:09 GMT
>I have been thinking of buying DSLR for some time now. I have narrowed down
>my search to two SLR that I like.
>The Nikon D50 and the Canon 350D.
>Which do you think I should go for and why?
>What do you like or dislike about the camera, if you are a user?

Where is something I would like your opinion on now,
What do you guys think of the Olympus E500.
AaronW - 30 Jul 2006 03:17 GMT
> What do you guys think of the Olympus E500.

It does not have the lenses I want.

If what they have suit your needs now, and you don't mind switching
brand later, then it's OK for you.

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