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3putt - 18 Jul 2006 01:18 GMT
I've read many suggestions and comments on how to compensate for
overexposure with the D50.  But I'm not convinced that I am getting the
sharpness that I expected.  I wore out the Canon Digital Rebel, but was
pleased with the sharpness it produced outdoors.  The D50 just does not
measure up, and now I'm stuck with it.  I've experimented with many exposure
settings under different lighting conditions. Presently I've settled on an
EV -.7 setting, with ISO 200, center focus for outdoor bird/animal shots,
usually in sunlight.  I've almost got the overexposure beat, but the focus
is not that great.  Any suggestions would be appreciated.  I am shooting
with the Sigma AF 70-300mm lens.  With my Canon Rebel I also used a Sigma AF
70-300 and was very pleased with it.
Greg "_" - 18 Jul 2006 01:52 GMT
> I've read many suggestions and comments on how to compensate for
> overexposure with the D50.  But I'm not convinced that I am getting the
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> with the Sigma AF 70-300mm lens.  With my Canon Rebel I also used a Sigma AF
> 70-300 and was very pleased with it.

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Bill - 18 Jul 2006 04:02 GMT
>I've read many suggestions and comments on how to compensate for
>overexposure with the D50.

Does the D50 have an exposure issue? From what I've seen, it exposes
right on the button.

>  But I'm not convinced that I am getting the
>sharpness that I expected.  I wore out the Canon Digital Rebel, but was
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>usually in sunlight.  I've almost got the overexposure beat, but the focus
>is not that great.

Have you checked the sharpness settings on the camera?

Are you shooting raw or jpg?

What focal length, shutter speed, and aperture settings?

>  Any suggestions would be appreciated.  I am shooting
>with the Sigma AF 70-300mm lens.  With my Canon Rebel I also used a Sigma AF
>70-300 and was very pleased with it.

You have a different lense, so there is a small possibility that the new
lense is not as sharp as the old one, but I doubt it.

Everything I've seen indicates the D50 is a great camera. I'd say you
have a wrong setting, or perhaps the camera is a lemon.
Little Green Eyed Dragon - 18 Jul 2006 04:06 GMT
In article <_JqdnV_6pv2l0iHZnZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@golden.net>,
Bill <bill@c.a> wrote:

> Have you checked the sharpness settings on the camera?

have you checked any other previous responses suggesting similar things?

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3putt - 18 Jul 2006 11:53 GMT
>>I've read many suggestions and comments on how to compensate for
>>overexposure with the D50.
>
> Does the D50 have an exposure issue? From what I've seen, it exposes
> right on the button.

OK, I Googled "Nikon D50 Overexpose"  before I started this thread.  There
are many, many references to overexposure with this camera.  And as many
suggestions as to how to compensate for the overexposure.  And there was no
mention, that I found, of any problems with the lens.  Whatever terminology
we use here, outdoor shots are blown out, and not in "sharp" focus.  I had
taken over 10,000 shots with the Digital Rebel with no complaints with
exposure and sharpness.  I would have expected the same or similar results
with the NIkon.  So.....I will be visiting the camera shop today for some
further advice.  The owner is a professional photog, and not just a
salesperson.  Hopefully, I can get it right.
Thomas T. Veldhouse - 18 Jul 2006 15:11 GMT
> OK, I Googled "Nikon D50 Overexpose"  before I started this thread.  There
> are many, many references to overexposure with this camera.  And as many
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> further advice.  The owner is a professional photog, and not just a
> salesperson.  Hopefully, I can get it right.

The lack of sharpness and the over exposure indicates to me that you probably
have an issue with the lens and not the camera.  

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Sheldon - 18 Jul 2006 04:30 GMT
> I've read many suggestions and comments on how to compensate for
> overexposure with the D50.  But I'm not convinced that I am getting the
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> appreciated.  I am shooting with the Sigma AF 70-300mm lens.  With my
> Canon Rebel I also used a Sigma AF 70-300 and was very pleased with it.

Check the settings in the camera and try your lens on another camera.  Your
results tend to make me think there is something wrong, as the D50 has been
getting great reviews.  It's possible the problem may be with the lens.  Go
into a store and see if they will let you put a Nikon lens on the camera and
see if you have the same problems.

Since exposure can be very subjective, depending on the kind of photos you
are taking, IMHO -.7 would not be that far off to get the kind of images
"you" want.  Many people have bumped the exposure on the D70, as that camera
tend to underexpose a bit to keep highlights from blowing out.

Also, I don't know about the D50, but the D70(s) allows you to download
curves into the camera which will effect every photo you take.  This is a
good way to tweak all the images the camera takes more to your liking.
Little Green Eyed Dragon - 18 Jul 2006 04:36 GMT
> Check the settings in the camera and try your lens on another camera.  Your
> results tend to make .

<Yawn> This really is starting to sound familiar.

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Thomas T. Veldhouse - 18 Jul 2006 15:12 GMT
>> Check the settings in the camera and try your lens on another camera.  Your
>> results tend to make .
>
> <Yawn> This really is starting to sound familiar.

So what.

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Little Green Eyed Dragon - 18 Jul 2006 23:31 GMT
> >> Check the settings in the camera and try your lens on another camera.  
> >> Your
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>
> So what.

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DD - 18 Jul 2006 12:08 GMT
> I've read many suggestions and comments on how to compensate for
> overexposure with the D50.  But I'm not convinced that I am getting the
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> with the Sigma AF 70-300mm lens.  With my Canon Rebel I also used a Sigma AF
> 70-300 and was very pleased with it.

You buy Sigma lenses to put on a Nikon body?

Sorry dude, your problems start and end with the glass in front of the
camera.

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3putt - 18 Jul 2006 12:16 GMT
> You buy Sigma lenses to put on a Nikon body?
>
> Sorry dude, your problems start and end with the glass in front of the
> camera.

I'm sorry.  I'm sorry.    I also drive a Ford, wishing it were a Toyota.  I,
as well as many in this group, am looking for suggestions, not criticism.
ilaab - 18 Jul 2006 18:47 GMT
>> You buy Sigma lenses to put on a Nikon body?
>>
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> I, as well as many in this group, am looking for suggestions, not
> criticism.
3putt, I'm beginning to wonder if your combination of a Nikon body with a
Sigma lens didn't instigate the war between Hezbollah and Israel. Watch it
next time!
Ilaab
3putt - 18 Jul 2006 21:36 GMT
">> I'm sorry.  I'm sorry.    I also drive a Ford, wishing it were a Toyota.
>> I, as well as many in this group, am looking for suggestions, not
>> criticism.

> 3putt, I'm beginning to wonder if your combination of a Nikon body with a
> Sigma lens didn't instigate the war between Hezbollah and Israel. Watch it
> next time!
> Ilaab

Hey!  Probably not.  You should see the discussions in rec.sport.golf.
Anyway, I visited the camera shop and he recommended a couple of settings be
changed.  The 70-300mm Canon lens has been on backorder for the past 6
months.  The Sigma was loaned until one comes in.  I've taken more ourdoor
shots today and have yet to look at them.
DD - 19 Jul 2006 08:08 GMT
> > You buy Sigma lenses to put on a Nikon body?
> >
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> I'm sorry.  I'm sorry.    I also drive a Ford, wishing it were a Toyota.  I,
> as well as many in this group, am looking for suggestions, not criticism.

You *want* a Toyota?

I'm beginning to think you are a very strange fella. I wouldn't give a
person a Thank You if they gave me a Toyota (and yes, I drive a Ford).
Japanese cars are all crap, IMO.

But to get back on topic, Sigma lenses are well known for their sample
variations. Sometimes you get a good one, sometimes you don't. Sounds
like you got a bad one.

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Bigguy - 19 Jul 2006 08:46 GMT
> You *want* a Toyota?
>
> I'm beginning to think you are a very strange fella. I wouldn't give a
> person a Thank You if they gave me a Toyota (and yes, I drive a Ford).
> Japanese cars are all crap, IMO.

But the really reliable, start first time kinda crap.... ;-)

Guy
DD - 19 Jul 2006 09:27 GMT
> > You *want* a Toyota?
> >
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> >
> But the really reliable, start first time kinda crap.... ;-)

Funny...the only cars I have owned in the past 10 years that ever gave
me any crap were the two Nissans I had.

Toyota pick-ups and MPV's are cool, but that's where it ends for me. I
think their regular vehicles are over-priced and way under-spec
(thinking Corolla & Camry).

I own a Ford Ranger Supercab with suicide doors for easy access to the
rear of the cab (where I have installed a bench seat, so its like a
small double cab). Touch wood it's never given me a days problem, but it
sure likes to suck down that diesel...and thanks to Dubya I am now
facing the possibility of having to sell it in favour of something a lot
lighter on fuel. I'm thinking Mini Cooper...

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J. Clarke - 19 Jul 2006 13:04 GMT
>> > You buy Sigma lenses to put on a Nikon body?
>> >
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> person a Thank You if they gave me a Toyota (and yes, I drive a Ford).
> Japanese cars are all crap, IMO.

Had one Toyota, changed the engine every 10,000 miles.  People always tell
me I must have "abused it".  Well maybe I did, but I abused it the same way
that I abused the Volvo that it replaced (Volvo was running fine at 80,000
and while we were in Hell of a lot better shape than the drunk in the Pinto
the Volvo was no longer useful afterwards) and the Corvette that replaced
it (running fine at 100,000, just plain needed more room) and the Jeep that
replaced that (75,000 so far with no problems).

> But to get back on topic, Sigma lenses are well known for their sample
> variations. Sometimes you get a good one, sometimes you don't. Sounds
> like you got a bad one.


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3putt - 19 Jul 2006 22:54 GMT
> Had one Toyota, changed the engine every 10,000 miles.  People always tell
> me I must have "abused it".  Well maybe I did, but I abused it the same
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> that
> replaced that (75,000 so far with no problems).

I'm sure you read the manual incorrectly.    Change the oil, not the engine!
I had a Toyota MR2 and had it for 160,000 miles.  Traded it 3 years ago, and
I still see it now and then.
J. Clarke - 20 Jul 2006 07:59 GMT
>> Had one Toyota, changed the engine every 10,000 miles.  People always
>> tell
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> I'm sure you read the manual incorrectly.    Change the oil, not the
> engine!

Another illiterate netloon heard from.

> I had a Toyota MR2 and had it for 160,000 miles.  Traded it 3 years ago,
> and I still see it now and then.

Well goody for you.

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Ole Larsen - 18 Jul 2006 12:54 GMT
3putt skrev:
> I've read many suggestions and comments on how to compensate for
> overexposure with the D50.  But I'm not convinced that I am getting the
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> with the Sigma AF 70-300mm lens.  With my Canon Rebel I also used a Sigma AF
> 70-300 and was very pleased with it.

A D50 that isn´t defective does _not_ overexpose or make unsharp pictures.

Maybe the problem is in front or behind the camera-house

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3putt - 18 Jul 2006 21:37 GMT
> A D50 that isn´t defective does _not_ overexpose or make unsharp pictures.
>
> Maybe the problem is in front or behind the camera-house

Thanks, I'll take that into consideration.
Thomas T. Veldhouse - 18 Jul 2006 15:09 GMT
> I've read many suggestions and comments on how to compensate for
> overexposure with the D50.  But I'm not convinced that I am getting the
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> with the Sigma AF 70-300mm lens.  With my Canon Rebel I also used a Sigma AF
> 70-300 and was very pleased with it.

I would expect that metering to be off either on the camera or the
communication through the lens.  Try a different lens and see how you do.  I
am not a fan of sigma as the one I used wasn't consistant at all across focal
length or apeture (75-300).  I have become quite a Tokina fan however.  So
far, I own all Nikon lenses and one Tokina (80-200).

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DoN. Nichols - 18 Jul 2006 20:56 GMT
According to Thomas T. Veldhouse <veldy71@yahoo.com>:
> > I've read many suggestions and comments on how to compensate for
> > overexposure with the D50.  But I'm not convinced that I am getting the
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> length or apeture (75-300).  I have become quite a Tokina fan however.  So
> far, I own all Nikon lenses and one Tokina (80-200).

    I agree that the lens is at least suspect.  Just because you
used a lens from the same manufacturer with the same range but with a
different body mount with no problems does not mean that the lens you
have on your D50 is good.

    Some sample images put on a web site (with full exif data) would
probably help us to analyze the problems.  On thing which I might
suspect is flare in the lens being mistaken for unsharpness.

    Of course -- at 300mm -- what shutter speed are you using?
Motion blur could easily come in at those focal lengths, especially
since it is effectively a 450mm lens when you take the crop factor into
consideration.

    The exposure problem, if it a consistent -0.7 EV could be a
problem with the lens not having accurate diaphragm stops compared to
its wide open condition (which is where the metering is done).

    If it is highly variable, one thing is that the D50 (and the
D70) require an auto lens to be used with the diaphragm ring set to the
smallest aperture (numerically largest) so the auto-diaphragm mechanism
can select from the full range of settings.  Relatively recent Nikon
lenses have a lock tab which will hold the aperture ring in this
position for use on auto-metering cameras.  (And the ones made for
digital only don't even offer an aperture ring, requiring all aperture
control to be from the camera body.

    How old is this Sigma lens?  I've read of problems with them (I
believe it was them) from their practice of reverse-engineering the
communications protocol between the lens and the camera body (though the
contacts), instead of paying the licensing fee to Nikon to get the full
spec.  So, with these, every so often a new camera uses more of the spec
than was used before, and Sigma lenses have to have their firmware
upgraded to get them to work well with the newer cameras.

    But -- if the exposure problem is dealt with by simply setting
the correction to EV -0.7, that should be fine -- just *set* it that
way.

    Do you check the histogram in the camera's display to help you
zero in on the proper exposure?  That is usually an excellent guide --
especially when augmented by the blinking of blown pixels from
highlights -- to let *you* decide which areas contain detail important
to  *you*, and adjust the exposure.

    Just for the fun of it -- do you have a hand-held exposure
meter?  Set it to the same ISO as your camera is using (200 by default,
unless you have turned on auto-ISO) and compare its readings to what the
camera selects.  Then see which gives the better image.  I suspect that
you will discover that sometimes the camera selects the better exposure,
and sometimes the handheld meter does.

    Just some thoughts,
        DoN.
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Bruce - 19 Jul 2006 01:02 GMT
I had the opposite problem with my D70. Sorted it by using RAW and reading
up on Histograms, which basically boils down to taking a meter reading (spot
reading in manual mode) and after taking the photo checking the Histogram &
adjusting it by altering the f stop rather than the EV. This is a good
starting point, then read the instructions in more detail.

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