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Newbie Advice Please- Canon EOS350D

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The Wuffler - 11 Jul 2006 19:04 GMT
Greetings
As a first foray into DSLRs the Canon seems to fit nicely into my budget.
I`ve seen one advertised with 18-55mm lens and was wondering whether this
lens was suitable for fairly close-up work or whether a separate macro lens
would be required?
Also, general verdict - ease of use etc.

TIA
Cheers
Pete
Bill - 12 Jul 2006 01:43 GMT
>As a first foray into DSLRs the Canon seems to fit nicely into my budget.

If you don't have any specific reason to go with the 350D, have you
considered the Nikon D50 instead?

I consider the D50 to be a better performer for the price, especially
with the Nikkor 18-70 which is a much better lense than Canons 18-55.

Many people also agree the little Rebel XT/350D is too small and not
that comfortable to hold - which is a very important aspect and should
not be overlooked. Make sure you handle several models before you lay
down your money.

>I`ve seen one advertised with 18-55mm lens and was wondering whether this
>lens was suitable for fairly close-up work or whether a separate macro lens
>would be required?

Close focus distance is about 5-6" from the front of the lense at 55mm,
which isn't too bad. But it's no macro lense as magnification is only
about 1:4 lifesize. I suppose it all depends on your needs though and it
may be good enough.

>Also, general verdict - ease of use etc.

The Canon XT/350D is a great camera (I have one).

It has lots of features and is capable of excellent image quality. Good
lenses makes a big difference with any camera, so if you can afford
better glass it's a good idea to opt for something better than the kit
lense.
dwight - 12 Jul 2006 02:09 GMT
>>As a first foray into DSLRs the Canon seems to fit nicely into my budget.
>
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> not be overlooked. Make sure you handle several models before you lay
> down your money.

I would agree that as much research as possible (including picking up and
handling different models) is important, before plunking down close to
$1,000 for anything. But I've never felt the problem with the XT's size that
some others report, and I don't have small hands.

Maybe it has to do with "hand memory." Having used the S1 for a year before
coming to the XT, the new camera feels just fine to me. Certainly, it's
about exactly the same size as my Pentax ZX-M in width, although slightly
taller. And the more I use it, the more natural it feels (also true with
most things).

>>I`ve seen one advertised with 18-55mm lens and was wondering whether this
>>lens was suitable for fairly close-up work or whether a separate macro
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> better glass it's a good idea to opt for something better than the kit
> lense.

When I approached DSLRs, the biggest draw was the "interchangable lenses"
aspect - which, of course, means buying as many lenses as one can afford in
as little time as one can. Before that, I always looked for the best "all
around" camera (read: compromise). The kit lens lasted a good 60 days,
before I started lusting after zoom, prime, and macro.

It could be said that the kit lens is a good performer across a fairly good
range, doing nothing outstanding but everything "well." As some have said
here, if I could pack only one lens, that one might be the pick right now
(given my limited arsenal).

To the OP, I'd say that the XT will entertain for a long time, and will only
get better with each added lens. In the meantime, the kit lens will do quite
nicely. This assumes, of course, that your "budget" will be almost entirely
blown on the camera, itself...

dwight
Bill - 12 Jul 2006 03:22 GMT
>> Many people also agree the little Rebel XT/350D is too small and not
>> that comfortable to hold - which is a very important aspect and should
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>$1,000 for anything. But I've never felt the problem with the XT's size that
>some others report, and I don't have small hands.

I don't have small hands either, which is why I actually prefer the
handling of my friends Nikon D70s over my little XT.

Don't get me wrong...the XT is a great little camera and I like the
small size and weight. But when you can compare the XT and 20D
side-by-side with the D70s and D200, it's hard to ignore the more
natural layout and design of the Nikon - especially the shutter release.

But that's for me though. Some people just don't like the layout of the
Nikons. Some don't like either brand, and prefer the ergonomics of the
Minolta.

It's a very personal thing and I'm starting to realize it's not a
hand-size issue, but rather a hand-shape and dexterity issue. Where your
index finger naturally falls greatly affects how you like the camera
"feel".

>Maybe it has to do with "hand memory." Having used the S1 for a year before
>coming to the XT, the new camera feels just fine to me.

I went from a Canon film body to the Canon A75 in the interim, and then
the XT, so there was an obvious familiarity there.

>taller. And the more I use it, the more natural it feels (also true with
>most things).

I used to think so too.

But when you switch back and forth as often as I do, you soon realize
some things are more natural than others. But again, I'm sure it's a
personal thing.

If everyone was the same, there would only be one brand of DSLR.

:-)
dwight - 13 Jul 2006 04:00 GMT
>>> Many people also agree the little Rebel XT/350D is too small and not
>>> that comfortable to hold - which is a very important aspect and should
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>
> :-)

I think you and I are saying the same thing.

I was thinking in terms of playing piano ("hand memory"). Given enough
repetition, even the most unnatural sequences become familiar. Same with a
camera, or a new car, or YET ANOTHER remote control... the more you use it,
the more at ease you become.

In cameras, I use five different models (between film and digital), each
with a different feel. But, "like riding a bicycle", the familiarity quickly
returns when I pick up any of the five.

Now, when starting with a clean hand-slate, the original poster is well
advised to try different models on for size...

dwight
Arild P. - 12 Jul 2006 09:57 GMT
> Greetings
> As a first foray into DSLRs the Canon seems to fit nicely into my budget.
> I`ve seen one advertised with 18-55mm lens and was wondering whether this
> lens was suitable for fairly close-up work or whether a separate macro lens
> would be required?

I have a 350D/XT and would suggest that if you decide on this model you
buy it *without* the kit lens and instead of get a better lens.
I made the big mistake of buying a Canon EOS-300 (35mm film) with the
kit lens and have been pretty disappointed. Back then I had no idea the
choice of lens meant so much, but when you think about it it makes
sense. The lens *is* actually the camera. The camera body merely
"records" what you look at through the lens, so if you get a bad image
to begin with the camera body will record a bad image no matter how
good the actual camera is.

I'm really not in the position to determine how good or bad the kit
lens (or any other lens for that matter) is, but visit your local
camera store and ask them if you can try out the EOS-350D with the kit
lens, try to zoom in and out, focus press the button half-way down),
focus at objects close and far away, see how quickly it locks on the
subject.
Does the lens "wiggle" if you touch it, or does it seem firm and
precise?

I found the kit lens of my EOS-300 to be very badly made. Very wiggly.
If I wanted to manually focus it would go out of focus by just touching
it. The same thing when using a polarizing filter; by merely adjusting
the filter the lens would go out of focus.

On the other hand, I've heard some people say that it's a totally
decent lens and take "OK" pictures, so it depends who you ask.

Anyway, once you've tried the EOS-350D with the kit lens in the store,
ask them to exchange the lens with say something at the complete other
end of the spectrum; an "L" lens from Canon, which is what the pros
use. Try it out the same way so you can get a feel of the difference in
build and focusing speed. I don't know if you'd see an optical
difference right away when simply testing like this, but you will
definitely get a different total impression.

Personally, I ended up with a Sigma 17-70mm f/2.8-4.5 lens. I needed
something that gave me good results, it had to be well built, a
versatile zoom-range for most situations (an "allround", "everyday"
lens) and shouldn't cost too much. So far I'm very happy with it
although I probably don't know what I'm missing if I had bought a
professional "L" lens to begin with, but I do know that I'd miss a lot
of my money if I went that route ;-)

I suggest you spend some time figuring out what you need. Use google to
search for lens and camera tests. That's what I did and resulted in my
choice.
To conclude; I'm very happy with my setup so far (i've had it for a
little over a month and am starting to understand how to use the manual
settings creatively although i see this takes a lot of practice). And
having only a 35mm film SLR (and 35mm compact camera) to compare with,
this is a *huge* difference!! Getting the results right away has opened
up a completely new world to me! And for the first time I'm really
getting to learn how to use a camera because of that.

Oh, if you do get the EOS-350D/Rebel XT, do yourself a favour and get
the Magic lantern guide for it as the Canon manual is nothing more than
a reference leaflet at best. OK for someone who's used to SLRs, but if
you're new to it all you need something better. Here's a link to that
book at Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/157990761X/qid=1152694501/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102
-8829733-7886523?s=books&v=glance&n=283155


And if you're new to photography in general I suggest you also get
"Understanding exposure"
(http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0817463003/sr=8-1/qid=1152694461/ref=pd_bbs_1/1
02-8829733-7886523?ie=UTF8
)
. It's definitely helped me along the way, explaining the relationship
between shutter speed and aperture and how to use them in different
situations. Easy to read and right to the point with plenty of photos
to illustrate what he's talking about.

Good luck with your choice!
C J Southern - 13 Jul 2006 05:10 GMT
> I have a 350D/XT and would suggest that if you decide on this model you
> buy it *without* the kit lens and instead of get a better lens.

I agree. I started out with a 350D / XT, but only started keeping the photos
I took when I'd but a decent lens on it - the kit lens (or me anyway) was an
embarrasment. Others opinions of the kit lens will vary - but no doubt
you'll be able to read all about them in their reply to this!
 
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