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Photo Forum / Digital Photography / DSLR Cameras / July 2006Will D70 replacement be more "upmarket?"
The price of this camera and the D50 are fairly close to each other now, within $200 and way under the $1000 mark. Which leaves a pretty big gap between the D70 and the D200, almost $900.00. I'm wondering if unlike Canon with it's XT and 20D/30D, they'll go to a price point like Olympus's E-330, just over the $1000 mark to made it more mid-line between the D50 and D200? If they do, will the body change to metal from plastic? IMO, this was Olympus's mistake, even with the innovative live LCD, to make a $1000+ body mostly plastic. Even Sony's 10 meg Alpha is under $1000 IMO, because it is also plastic. The trade-off being obvious, body integrity for sheer sensor megapixel count and quality, much like the Rebel XT. > The price of this camera and the D50 are fairly close to each other > now, within $200 and way under the $1000 mark. Which leaves a pretty [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > trade-off being obvious, body integrity for sheer sensor megapixel > count and quality, much like the Rebel XT. Expect the new Rebel this fall; 8 megapixel 2.5"-3" LCD and lower price The market is for the sub-$1000 dSLR. I also expect Nikon to drop the price of the D200 this fall. The D70/50 product is already very long in the tooth by digital standards. Nikon will have to release an upgrade incorporating the higher megapixel sensor but is desperately trying to wring as much sales volume as possible out of the D200 at its higher price point. There may also be an issue with not being able to obtain enough electronics from its suppliers, i.e. Sony. Nikon knows it has its core user base by its cajones because of the investment Nikon users already have in lenses. However Nikon must have more competitive product at the lower price point when Sony/Panasonic/Samsung et al fully weigh in to the big-box store market in the U.S.with mass market priced dSLRs. >The D70/50 product is already very long in the tooth by digital standards. If it's not broken, why fix it. >Nikon will have to release an upgrade incorporating the higher megapixel And you boys are really experienced in the production aspects? >sensor but is desperately trying to wring as much sales volume as possible >out of the D200 at its higher price point. There may also be an issue with >not being able to obtain enough electronics from its suppliers, i.e. Sony. Really? Do you have internal documents or memos that suggest this...? >Nikon knows it has its core user base by its cajones because of the >investment Nikon users already have in lenses. However Nikon must have more >competitive product at the lower price point when Sony/Panasonic/Samsung et >al fully weigh in to the big-box store market in the U.S.with mass market >priced dSLRs. Really? Do have something to back up these statements...? C'mon... I too can make wild guesses full of conjecture and future predictions. But unless you actually know what you're talking about, with facts to back it up, you're just hacking about in the ether... > The price of this camera and the D50 are fairly close to each other > now, within $200 and way under the $1000 mark. Which leaves a pretty [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > trade-off being obvious, body integrity for sheer sensor megapixel > count and quality, much like the Rebel XT. Having smacked my plastic D70 around quite a bit, there appears to be nothing wrong with a plastic body. I doubt that any camera manufacturer is being inundated with complaints about the sturdiness of a plastic body. But of course, if you really want a metal body, you will have to pay for it, sensor or not. In any event, I suspect that Nikon has invested far more in market research and has more talent analyzing it than you or bmoag have. >> The price of this camera and the D50 are fairly close to each other >> now, within $200 and way under the $1000 mark. Which leaves a pretty [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > In any event, I suspect that Nikon has invested far more in market > research and has more talent analyzing it than you or bmoag have. There's nothing wrong with plastic. Some plastics might actually be better suited...less expansion, and contraction in temperature extremes. They're even making guns, and rifles out of plastics now! Bill Crocker > The price of this camera and the D50 are fairly close to each other > now, within $200 and way under the $1000 mark. Which leaves a pretty [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > trade-off being obvious, body integrity for sheer sensor megapixel > count and quality, much like the Rebel XT. I would guess you'll see a a new camera with more magapixels, but that's about it. Both the D70 and the D50 still remain very popular, and it's a stretch to move up to the D200 for most consumers. As far as the plastic argument goes, I've heard a lot of stories about D70's being knocked around and dropped with no damage. That's more than you can say for most metal bodied cameras. >> The price of this camera and the D50 are fairly close to each other >> now, within $200 and way under the $1000 mark. Which leaves a pretty [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > about it. Both the D70 and the D50 still remain very popular, and it's a > stretch to move up to the D200 for most consumers. If anything Nikon "may" drop the D70s and normal evolution will show a price drop on the D200. Look at the D70 kit (18~!70) introduced at CDN $1900.00, now the D70s kit (18~70) sells for CDN $1300. The price could come down closer to the 30D. There will be a lower priced 350D/XT replacement "leaked" end of August/September will a formal announcement the week before PhotoKina 2006. It will be an 8 megapixel dSLR with a larger LCD, maybe even dumbed down to the original Rebel 300D level. Several have speculated about it having higher megapixels, but the 30D replaced the 20D with the same 8.2 megapixels. Canon will not dilute their good sales figures on the 30D with a Super Rebel. I would expect more price drops on the 5D, great camera but sales are staggering, there was a $300 rebate, I normally see a price drop shortly after a rebate ends. Darrell Larose http://DarrellLarose.ca/gallery > The price of this camera and the D50 are fairly close to each other > now, within $200 and way under the $1000 mark. But there is still such a big market for both models. > Which leaves a pretty > big gap between the D70 and the D200, almost $900.00. I'm wondering if > unlike Canon with it's XT and 20D/30D, they'll go to a price point like > Olympus's E-330, just over the $1000 mark to made it more mid-line > between the D50 and D200? Possibly, but then IMO it covers two markets budget enthusiast then onto more professional. > If they do, will the body change to metal > from plastic? IMO, this was Olympus's mistake, even with the > innovative live LCD, to make a $1000+ body mostly plastic. Even Sony's > 10 meg Alpha is under $1000 IMO, because it is also plastic. So what? why is it a mistake? it keeps weight and production costs down. > The > trade-off being obvious, body integrity for sheer sensor megapixel > count and quality, much like the Rebel XT. Again what's so wrong with that. Body Integrity? The sort of damage required to 'break' som of the modern plastics will damage ANYTHING made of metal. If a metal case were to deform who's to say it wouldn't cause MORE damage to the internals. Doc >> The price of this camera and the D50 are fairly close to each other >> now, within $200 and way under the $1000 mark. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > made of metal. If a metal case were to deform who's to say it wouldn't > cause MORE damage to the internals. To those who think metal bodies are so great, I have a piece of advise--_do_ wear metal armor next time you're in a firefight against people who are wearing that crummy fragile plastic.  Signature--John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) > >> The price of this camera and the D50 are fairly close to each other > >> now, within $200 and way under the $1000 mark. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Possibly, but then IMO it covers two markets budget enthusiast then > > onto more professional. The D200 still has a few things that caused me to pay $1000 more 1) a magnified prism based viewfinder (can't stand the D70 finder) 2) You can use AIS lenses, a 24 f2 is my on camera lens 3) 10mp = 8"x12" @ 300ppi for printing 4) weather sealing, should keep down the dust on the sensor Contrary to popular myths I don't hammer nails with the D200, and I try not to drop it. Tom > >> If they do, will the body change to metal > >> from plastic? IMO, this was Olympus's mistake, even with the [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > to email, dial "usenet" and validate > (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) > >> The price of this camera and the D50 are fairly close to each other > >> now, within $200 and way under the $1000 mark. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > wear metal armor next time you're in a firefight against people who are > wearing that crummy fragile plastic. Ah, the narrowly construed application. One application therefore they all must be that way. Plastic in cameras is light, cheap and fragile. You simply do not hear horror stories about metal-bodied cameras falling to pieces as we so often do about the plastic ones. > Ah, the narrowly construed application. One application therefore they > all must be [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > about the > plastic ones. So you prefer the metal ones? The ones that attract lightening? The ones that can rust? The ones that pass static electricity through you and the camera body to the electronics inside. yeah, great move Rich! Tell us Rich, why did America ban metal hard hats and force the use of plastics, eh? Why are more clothes made out of plastics then metal? Why do your TV's have plastic cases, or you phones, or radios. Do you prefer and does it make you feel "manly" if your condom's were made of metal? Ooops, maybe that is why they call your needle-d*** the bugf******? >> Ah, the narrowly construed application. One application therefore they >> all must be [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Why do your TV's have plastic cases, or you phones, or radios. The military wear plastic helmets and body armour, as do the police. Many aircraft and cars have plastic parts... >> >> The price of this camera and the D50 are fairly close to each other >> >> now, within $200 and way under the $1000 mark. [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > about the > plastic ones. I did take in a Leica R4S a few years ago that was dropped and the metal chassis fractured. Leica COULD NOT REPAIR IT!!! There goes your metal theory. > Ah, the narrowly construed application. One application therefore they > all must be [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > about the > plastic ones. The only horror stories we hear about are from you -- and you don't have any actual examples to back them up. |
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