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Photo Forum / Digital Photography / DSLR Cameras / July 2006Card-reader or camera transfers
When dumping my photos from my Canon EOS-350D over to my computer using the supplied USB cable I notice it takes forever. I assume this has something to do with shooting in RAW+JPG, but still, isn't there a faster way to transfer my photos? Would a stand-alone card-reader do it any faster, or just the same (considering they both use USB)? What about a PC-card adapter? I'm using a Mac Powerbook G4, so I would think I could buy one of those PC-card adapters which I insert the Compact-Flash card into. Are there any other solutions which I've overlooked? I'm using a 1GB Sandisk Ultra II card. Arild P. schrieb: > When dumping my photos from my Canon EOS-350D over to my computer using > the supplied USB cable I notice it takes forever. Define "forever" - minutes or hours? > I assume this has something to do with shooting in RAW+JPG, but still, > isn't there a faster way to transfer my photos? > Would a stand-alone card-reader do it any faster, or just the same > (considering they both use USB)? I suppose that if it is really very slow, your PC has a USB 1.1 interface only - so the camera can not benefit from its USB 2.0 High-Speed interface. And in this case, a card reader does not help here > What about a PC-card adapter? I'm using a Mac Powerbook G4, so I would > think I could buy one of those PC-card adapters which I insert the > Compact-Flash card into. If the G4 has USB 1.1 only, this could be a possible solution. Another possibility is to buy a USB 2.0 PC-Card - but please ask your Mac dealer which one is applicable. Clemens Clemens Dorda schrieb: > If the G4 has USB 1.1 only, this could be a possible solution. According to the manual from the Apple support area, it has USB 2.0. So either you are a impatient person :-) or there is something wrong with the PowerBook or the EOS 350D. USB 2.0 offers a bandwith up to 60 MB/s (480 MBit/s), which is more than a CF card can read or write per second. A 1 GB CF Card SanDisk Ultra can be read approx. 10 MB/sec., so you should be able to transfer a full card in approx. 2 minutes with the camera to the PowerBook. If you cannot transfer a full card under 5 minutes with the EOS 350D, there must be something wrong either with the camera or with the PowerBook. Clemens > Clemens Dorda schrieb: >> If the G4 has USB 1.1 only, this could be a possible solution. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Clemens Be careful here - USB 2.0 "full speed" only offers 12Mb/s, you must have the "hi-speed" variant to approach 480Mb/s. "USB 2.0" on its own means nothing, unfortunately. http://www.everythingusb.com/usb2/faq.htm David David J Taylor schrieb: > Be careful here - USB 2.0 "full speed" only offers 12Mb/s, you must have > the "hi-speed" variant to approach 480Mb/s. "USB 2.0" on its own means > nothing, unfortunately. I know. My E-330 supports USB 2.0 - full-speed only, unfortunately :-( But the EOS 350D as well as the PowerBook G4 support USB 2.0 High-Speed, according to the specifications from Canon and Apple. This should not be the problem Clemens > Clemens Dorda schrieb: > > If the G4 has USB 1.1 only, this could be a possible solution. > > According to the manual from the Apple support area, it has USB 2.0. Yes, my Powerbook should have version 2.0. > So > either you are a impatient person :-) That might be true and part of the problem ;-) > or there is something wrong with > the PowerBook or the EOS 350D. USB 2.0 offers a bandwith up to 60 MB/s [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > minutes with the EOS 350D, there must be something wrong either with the > camera or with the PowerBook. Then there's something wrong for sure! After reading this I did a little test: first made sure I quit everything except iPhoto (which I use to import and view my photos), then I timed the import. Iphoto told me I had 189 files and I timed the import to 11.5 minutes! The camera (and memory card) is brand new (2 weeks or something), and the computer is only about 1/2 year old. I'm hoping it's only a setting or something which can easily be fixed. Arild P. (no-spam2@lycos.com) wrote in rec.photo.digital.slr-systems: > After reading this I did a little test: first made sure I quit > everything except iPhoto (which I use to import and view my photos), > then I timed the import. > Iphoto told me I had 189 files and I timed the import to 11.5 minutes! Well, it could be iPhoto that is to blame. There's no way of knowing what it does in terms of reading the files looking for data to put into its database. Second, I don't know the Canon camera that well, but my camera can be set to either "drive" or "photo" mode. In "photo" mode, only a program like iPhoto can import the pictures. In "drive" mode, it just appears as a removable drive and any program can copy them. "Photo" mode seems to be a much slower transfer on my camera the one time I did it, so maybe that's the issue. So, if you can, just try a drag-and-drop copy of the files to see how long it takes. For me, it takes about 6 minutes to copy a completely full 1GB card. Different camera, but the same CF card (Sandisk Ultra II) that you have.  SignatureJeff Rife | | http://www.nabs.net/Cartoons/UserFriendly/SPAMOurCustomers.gif > Then there's something wrong for sure! > After reading this I did a little test: first made sure I quit > everything except iPhoto (which I use to import and view my photos), > then I timed the import. > Iphoto told me I had 189 files and I timed the import to 11.5 minutes! Iphoto is doing quite a bit more than just copying the picture files to the computer. TO do a fair test, don't import into iPhoto, just open te camera device as if it were a hard disk and copy the files to your desktop. What version of iPhoto are you using? Iphoto gets slow if you have too many images in the library. Older versions were particularly bad about this. > > Iphoto told me I had 189 files and I timed the import to 11.5 minutes! > > Iphoto is doing quite a bit more than just copying the picture files to the > computer. TO do a fair test, don't import into iPhoto, just open te camera > device as if it were a hard disk and copy the files to your desktop. But there's no memory card device icon available on the desktop! I have no idea why, because I'm sure an icon popped up a couple of weeks ago when I had just bought my camera. I've made sure that the Finder preferences are checked to display removable devices, so that can't be it. Could it be the Canon software that came with the camera that's causing trouble? It seems some of that software is pretty badly made. "Imagebrowser" for example keeps on crashing every time I run it, and a lot of the other software doesn't really look like Mac software with the badly looking fonts and user interface. More like badly made, experimental Linux software. By the way, how do I turn off iPhoto's automatic import feature? You know, when you plug the camera to the computer and turn it on, iPhoto automatically starts up and asks if you want to import the photos. > What version of iPhoto are you using? Iphoto gets slow if you have too many > images in the library. Older versions were particularly bad about this. Version 5.0.4. As for large libraries.... I came across a free program called "iPhoto buddy" (http://www.iphotobuddy.com) which allows you to create different libraries instead of just one as iPhoto does. So now I have a library with web images, internet related stuff etc, another one with desktop patterns and pictures etc. and yet another library with my EOS-350D photos. That library currently contains 950 images (a mix of JPG and some RAW images). Maybe I should try to create a completely blank library and import to see if that works faster. But I must say, my girlfriend's Nikon Coolpix 5 Mpixel camera dumps images a *lot* faster to her 5 year old PC than my EOS-350D does to my new Powerbook G4 (bought November 2005). 3 Mpixels more really can't make such a difference?! I really should try installing the Canon software/drivers on her PC and see if the dumping goes any faster there. According to Arild P. <no-spam2@lycos.com>: > > > Iphoto told me I had 189 files and I timed the import to 11.5 minutes! > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I have no idea why, because I'm sure an icon popped up a couple of > weeks ago when I had just bought my camera. Hmm ... this probably means that some program has claimed ownership of the device, so it is preventing it showing up as a separate drive. I'm not sure how the Mac does such things. (Are you running OS-X, or an earlier MacOS? At least the underpinnings of OS-X (unix) are something which I should be able to understand. :-) > I've made sure that the Finder preferences are checked to display > removable devices, so that can't be it. Could it be the Canon software > that came with the camera that's causing trouble? It *could* be the iphoto which has claimed the ownership of the device, based on your comment below that it starts loding as soon as you plug in the camera. > It seems some of that software is pretty badly made. "Imagebrowser" for > example keeps on crashing every time I run it, and a lot of the other [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > know, when you plug the camera to the computer and turn it on, iPhoto > automatically starts up and asks if you want to import the photos. I don't run iPhoto, so I don't know what kind of things it uses for controls. You'll just have to explore in there -- or perhaps uninstall it to compare how things go without it being involved. [ ... ] > But I must say, my girlfriend's Nikon Coolpix 5 Mpixel camera dumps > images a *lot* faster to her 5 year old PC than my EOS-350D does to my > new Powerbook G4 (bought November 2005). 3 Mpixels more really can't > make such a difference?! Hmm ... are you downloading RAW? And I'll bet that the Coolpix is set for fairly aggressive JPEG compression, so the actual file size may be very different. > I really should try installing the Canon software/drivers on her PC and > see if the dumping goes any faster there. Do you need the Canon drivers to simply mount the camera as a drive? Try that before you complicate her system with more software. Enjoy, DoN. SignatureEmail: <dnichols@d-and-d.com> | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- > > > Iphoto told me I had 189 files and I timed the import to 11.5 minutes! > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I have no idea why, because I'm sure an icon popped up a couple of > weeks ago when I had just bought my camera. My wife has a Canon P&S, and it behaves strangely on our PC - doesn't mount like a normal removable drive. I haven't had a problem on my Mac though. > By the way, how do I turn off iPhoto's automatic import feature? You > know, when you plug the camera to the computer and turn it on, iPhoto > automatically starts up and asks if you want to import the photos. It's bizarre, but you have to open the "Image Capture" application and go to preferences, then you'll be able to un-check the box for auto-launch. That'll stop iPhoto launching every time. > > What version of iPhoto are you using? Iphoto gets slow if you have too many > > images in the library. Older versions were particularly bad about this. > > Version 5.0.4. > As for large libraries.... iPhoto will run quite a lot quicker if you switch to "film roll" views and close them all, so it doesn't have to keep creating all those thumbnails. Signature-Take out Ron to reply- My random photostream: http://www.flickr.com/photos/boggissimo/ > But there's no memory card device icon available on the desktop! > I have no idea why, because I'm sure an icon popped up a couple of [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > fonts and user interface. More like badly made, experimental Linux > software. there is a setting on the camera under tool2 menu (the last one), communications, the camera can be set to talk to a printer or a PC connection, I think it defaults to the printer. personally I would buy a card reader, even with the cheap $20 USB2.0 multi-cardreader I bought, file transfers are quite fast, and the reader doesn't take much space in the bag. and I don't like the canon software and drivers for the PC, no idea if the mac version is any better, the camera doesn't appear as a normal device under windows, its just odd, on the other hand I also have a Minolta A1, if I plug that straight in it just shows as a normal removable usb device, no special drivers needed either, why canon cannot do the same............ On 6/28/06 6:28 AM, Arild P. posted the following: > The camera (and memory card) is brand new (2 weeks or something), and > the computer is only about 1/2 year old. I'm hoping it's only a setting > or something which can easily be fixed. Several things- not all ports on your G-4 are USB2 in all likelihood. Next, use Image Capture, not iPhoto to get the pictures on the HDD; then put them into iPhoto, GraphicConverter, Lightroom, Preview, Photoshop or whatever else you want. Third, a USB 2 card reader is a very handy gadget. SignatureJohn McWilliams > Clemens Dorda schrieb: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > either you are a impatient person :-) or there is something wrong with > the PowerBook or the EOS 350D. USB 2.0 offers a bandwith up to 60 MB/s But the 350D doesn't, nor do many cameras in this range. Greg Signature"All my time I spent in heaven Revelries of dance and wine Waking to the sound of laughter Up I'd rise and kiss the sky" - The Mekons G.T. schrieb: >>USB 2.0 offers a bandwith up to 60 MB/s > But the 350D doesn't, nor do many cameras in this range. The interface (!) is able to deliver data in such a bandwidth - this doesn't mean that a device having such an interface is able to transfer such an amount of data. Regarding the EOS 350D, the limitating factor should be the memory card. A Sandisk Extremne III is specified with approx. 20 MB/sec. read/write. So it is obvious that, with such a memory card, no camera or card reader can deliver data faster than this. Clemens > Arild P. schrieb: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > interface only - so the camera can not benefit from its USB 2.0 > High-Speed interface. The 350D comes nowhere near taking advantage of USB 2.0. A card reader is definitely the way to go. > And in this case, a card reader does not help here > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > possibility is to buy a USB 2.0 PC-Card - but please ask your Mac dealer > which one is applicable. I added a USB 2.0 card to my G4 and couldn't be happier. Greg Signature"All my time I spent in heaven Revelries of dance and wine Waking to the sound of laughter Up I'd rise and kiss the sky" - The Mekons > Are there any other solutions which I've overlooked? I'd go with a Firewire card reader. > > Are there any other solutions which I've overlooked? > > I'd go with a Firewire card reader. My 10D was painfully slow when downloading with the direct usb connection. After about a week, I bought a Sandisk firewire reader and have never regretted it. It gives me about 300Mbytes per minute transfer speed, which is fine. SignatureJim Nagy Elm Electronics >When dumping my photos from my Canon EOS-350D over to my computer using >the supplied USB cable I notice it takes forever. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >I'm using a 1GB Sandisk Ultra II card. Card reader definately. I'm told it's the file handling instructions on the camera that are the bottleneck. Had the same problem with my 20D and bought a cheap card reader for $15 and works great - and now i can use my 1gig card as a thumb drive too. rgds Ken |
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