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Photo Forum / Digital Photography / DSLR Cameras / June 2006Nothing like Dust !
Nothing like dust to reduce the thrill of a good photography session! I recently was up along the North Shore of Lake Superior and along the gunflint trail. I took pictures in varoius locations and returned home with excitement to see the results. Pictures from the first couple of days were perfect and dust free. Pictures from the last couple of days were just mottled with dust. I didn't change lenses since the first day as almost everything I took was landscape and scenic, so I used the 18-70 lens. Worse yet, since they were landscape, most of the images were taken with an f/8 or greater (most were f/16) and those little critters became horribly noticable! I just wish dust would appear when I am taking snapshots and not doing more serious photography away from home. Thank God that the healing brush in Photoshop does a pretty decent job of fixing the blemishes (there must be about 3 big ones and several smaller dots on the sensor). Anyway, I find this to be a BIG drawback to digital ... not enough to outweigh the benefits over film however. Anyway, order placed: Photographic Solutions Brushoff Photographic Solutions Pec Pad (to clean brush) Photographic Solutions Sensor Swab Type 2 (for my D70) Photographic Solutions Eclipse Cleaning Solution About $110 to keep dust off of my sensor ... fabulous! :-(  SignatureThomas T. Veldhouse Key Fingerprint: 2DB9 813F F510 82C2 E1AE 34D0 D69D 1EDC D5EC AED1 Thomas T. Veldhouse schrieb: > Anyway, I find this to be a BIG drawback to digital ... not enough to outweigh > the benefits over film however. You should consider to buy an Olympus or Sony digital camera next time - they have a built-in dust reduction system :-) Clemens > Thomas T. Veldhouse schrieb: >> Anyway, I find this to be a BIG drawback to digital ... not enough to outweigh >> the benefits over film however. > > You should consider to buy an Olympus or Sony digital camera next time - > they have a built-in dust reduction system :-) Great .. but then I would be stuck with an Olympus or a Sony ;-) SignatureThomas T. Veldhouse Key Fingerprint: 2DB9 813F F510 82C2 E1AE 34D0 D69D 1EDC D5EC AED1 Thomas T. Veldhouse schrieb: > Great .. but then I would be stuck with an Olympus or a Sony ;-) If that's your opinion, ok - I'm very happy with my Oly E-330, even more after having a face-to-face comparision between the E-330 and the Canon Digital Rebel last weekend... Clemens > Thomas T. Veldhouse schrieb: >> Great .. but then I would be stuck with an Olympus or a Sony ;-) > > If that's your opinion, ok - I'm very happy with my Oly E-330, even more > after having a face-to-face comparision between the E-330 and the Canon > Digital Rebel last weekend... No, it is not my opinion. I have never used either brand SLR. I was just joking around, as indicated by the smiley after my statement. I am always surprised when I have to point that out. SignatureThomas T. Veldhouse Key Fingerprint: 2DB9 813F F510 82C2 E1AE 34D0 D69D 1EDC D5EC AED1 Thomas T. Veldhouse schrieb: > No, it is not my opinion. I have never used either brand SLR. I was just > joking around, as indicated by the smiley after my statement. I've seen them ;-) > I am always surprised when I have to point that out. No, you haven't - but the most jokes contain a little bit of truth :-) Clemens > Thomas T. Veldhouse schrieb: >> No, it is not my opinion. I have never used either brand SLR. I was just [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > No, you haven't - but the most jokes contain a little bit of truth :-) Not in this case. SignatureThomas T. Veldhouse Key Fingerprint: 2DB9 813F F510 82C2 E1AE 34D0 D69D 1EDC D5EC AED1 >> Thomas T. Veldhouse schrieb: >>> Great .. but then I would be stuck with an Olympus or a Sony ;-) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > No, it is not my opinion. I have never used either brand SLR. So why say something like that? > I was just > joking around, as indicated by the smiley after my statement. I am always > surprised when I have to point that out. You're a moron. :-) SignatureStacey >>> Thomas T. Veldhouse schrieb: >>>> Great .. but then I would be stuck with an Olympus or a Sony ;-) [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > So why say something like that? Because he piped in with the implication that if I had his camera rather than my camera, I wouldn't have a dust problem ... but I wouldn't have a quality Nikon D70 either. >> I was just >> joking around, as indicated by the smiley after my statement. I am always >> surprised when I have to point that out. > > You're a moron. :-) Mutual <no false smiley here> SignatureThomas T. Veldhouse Key Fingerprint: 2DB9 813F F510 82C2 E1AE 34D0 D69D 1EDC D5EC AED1 > Nothing like dust to reduce the thrill of a good photography session! I > recently was up along the North Shore of Lake Superior and along the [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > About $110 to keep dust off of my sensor ... fabulous! :-( I have had my dSLR for about 2 years now, I have yet to hve any dust that wouldn't yield to a hurricane blower. I have had dust on film, and that requires more work to retouch out. > > Nothing like dust to reduce the thrill of a good photography session! I > > recently was up along the North Shore of Lake Superior and along the [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > I have had dust on film, and that requires more work to retouch out. I wholeheartedly agree with you on this. I mostly outdoors and probably shoot 1000 pic a month. I've put about 19,000 images through one of my Canons. It can get dusty sometomes, but I've never had dust that didn't come right off. It's never been a problem for me. Dust one the focusing screen is a different matter.... > > I have had dust on film, and that requires more work to retouch out. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > that didn't come right off. It's never been a problem for me. Dust > one the focusing screen is a different matter.... I thought you said you never had dust... Well, never mind. I have never managed to remove dust with a blower. Usually a blower just blows more dust onto the sensor. Not a productive use of time. >I have never managed to remove dust with a blower. Usually a blower >just blows more dust onto the sensor. Not a productive use of time. If there is nothing sticky on the sensor, it should work; more should come off than land. Signature<>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>>< ><<> John P Sheehy <JPS@no.komm> ><<> <>>< <>>< ><<> <>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< >>I have never managed to remove dust with a blower. Usually a blower >>just blows more dust onto the sensor. Not a productive use of time. > > If there is nothing sticky on the sensor, it should work; more should > come off than land. I don't want to blow it around just to have it settle again. I want to get that dust out of there ... SignatureThomas T. Veldhouse Key Fingerprint: 2DB9 813F F510 82C2 E1AE 34D0 D69D 1EDC D5EC AED1 > >>I have never managed to remove dust with a blower. Usually a blower > >>just blows more dust onto the sensor. Not a productive use of time. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I don't want to blow it around just to have it settle again. I want to get > that dust out of there ... Hold the camera above you with sensor facing down and blow. Piece of cake until you get something sticky on there. Greg I get a little pollen or something inside the camera once in a while, but not very much. Never gook that sticks to things and usually on the sides, not against the sensor. And yes, sometimes it takes a bit to blow it out. I use an "ear syringe" because it a bit bigger and more powerful than a regular blower but not big enough to damage anything. > > > I have had dust on film, and that requires more work to retouch out. > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I have never managed to remove dust with a blower. Usually a blower > just blows more dust onto the sensor. Not a productive use of time. > I have had my dSLR for about 2 years now, I have yet to hve any dust that > wouldn't yield to a hurricane blower. All well and fine,... dust sticks here on the East coast -in humid conditions your experience will probably not be the norm. SignatureThe sometimes insomniac. www.gregblankphoto.com >> I have had my dSLR for about 2 years now, I have yet to hve any dust that >> wouldn't yield to a hurricane blower. > > All well and fine,... dust sticks here on the East coast -in humid > conditions your experience will probably not be the norm. The Minneapolis area is not likely any less sticky? We still routinely hit 70+% relative humidity and occasionally hit 80% on a bad day in a bad summer. SignatureThomas T. Veldhouse Key Fingerprint: 2DB9 813F F510 82C2 E1AE 34D0 D69D 1EDC D5EC AED1 >I have had my dSLR for about 2 years now, I have yet to hve any dust that >wouldn't yield to a hurricane blower. That's usually the case, until lubrication in the camera eventually finds its way to the sensor, and things start to get much worse then, as it takes several wet cleanings to remove it. Signature<>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>>< ><<> John P Sheehy <JPS@no.komm> ><<> <>>< <>>< ><<> <>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< > That's usually the case, until lubrication in the camera eventually > finds its way to the sensor, and things start to get much worse then, as > it takes several wet cleanings to remove it. Aren't you the same person who constantly explains how dust isn't an issue? SignatureStacey On 6/26/06 11:56 PM, Stacey posted the following: >> That's usually the case, until lubrication in the camera eventually >> finds its way to the sensor, and things start to get much worse then, as >> it takes several wet cleanings to remove it. > > Aren't you the same person who constantly explains how dust isn't an issue? I'm not the person who constantly explains that, but I do agree that dust on [my] Canon sensors is, well, overblown. But I'd also point out that dust ain't lube..... Is your camera free from potential problems such as that? Signaturejohn mcwilliams > On 6/26/06 11:56 PM, Stacey posted the following: >>> That's usually the case, until lubrication in the camera eventually [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I'm not the person who constantly explains that, but I do agree that > dust on [my] Canon sensors is, well, overblown. Yep, 3 threads on this topic in 2 days, it must be a figment of my imagination! SignatureStacey >> That's usually the case, until lubrication in the camera eventually >> finds its way to the sensor, and things start to get much worse then, as >> it takes several wet cleanings to remove it. >Aren't you the same person who constantly explains how dust isn't an issue? I had a feeling you were going to surface in this! I have only had problems that were not fixed by a blower recently, as the sensor is starting to get sticky. What I did say in the past was that it was not a dealbreaker. The Canons have the best low-light performance, but still not good enough for my needs. Until someone makes a camera that is dust-free *and* better at low-light performance, my platform is chosen. And, I wonder how well the olympus method works when the sensor starts to get sticky? Signature<>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>>< ><<> John P Sheehy <JPS@no.komm> ><<> <>>< <>>< ><<> <>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< >>> That's usually the case, until lubrication in the camera eventually >>> finds its way to the sensor, and things start to get much worse then, as [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I have only had problems that were not fixed by a blower recently, as > the sensor is starting to get sticky. And you found it needed the blower treatment when? After you found images with a problem... > And, I wonder how well the olympus method works when the sensor starts > to get sticky? Who said it does? You're assuming because canon has this problem olympus does.. SignatureStacey JPS@no.komm schrieb: > And, I wonder how well the olympus method works when the sensor starts > to get sticky? The question is: can it get sticky? I really don't know the answer, but maybe the thin filter, which is clutched on top of the sensor, makes the difference - see http://www.olympus.co.uk/consumer/dslr_7051.htm. Clemens >JPS@no.komm schrieb: >> And, I wonder how well the olympus method works when the sensor starts [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >maybe the thin filter, which is clutched on top of the sensor, makes the >difference - see http://www.olympus.co.uk/consumer/dslr_7051.htm. By "sensor" I really mean the entire sandwich, specificaly the top layer. Signature<>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>>< ><<> John P Sheehy <JPS@no.komm> ><<> <>>< <>>< ><<> <>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< > I have had my dSLR for about 2 years now, I have yet to hve any dust that > wouldn't yield to a hurricane blower. I think his point was; he didn't know the dust was there till AFTER he got home. It's a bit late then to fix the problem caused by the dust, except to repair it for the next time you go out and it might ocure again? I find it comical the same people say dust is so easy to fix and isn't an issue! Re-read what the problem is and see if you can grasp it... SignatureStacey >> I have had my dSLR for about 2 years now, I have yet to hve any dust that >> wouldn't yield to a hurricane blower. > > I think his point was; he didn't know the dust was there till AFTER he got > home. It's a bit late then to fix the problem caused by the dust, except to > repair it for the next time you go out and it might ocure again? Correct, I didn't find the issue until I got home to process the images. > I find it comical the same people say dust is so easy to fix and isn't an > issue! Re-read what the problem is and see if you can grasp it... Indeed, because it certainly IS an issue. Further, of all the film I have shot, I have only found hair or specs in the emulsion of one roll of slide film (Qualex). I have also had film come back with holes in it ... and a note from Qualex that it arrived that way ... yeah, right! Also had most of an order lost during shipment where only a few of the developed slides were returned to me. I can live with the dust if I can clean it, but it is still an issue no matter how you look at it. SignatureThomas T. Veldhouse Key Fingerprint: 2DB9 813F F510 82C2 E1AE 34D0 D69D 1EDC D5EC AED1 >>> I have had my dSLR for about 2 years now, I have yet to hve any dust >>> that wouldn't yield to a hurricane blower. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Correct, I didn't find the issue until I got home to process the images. > And you'll have NO idea if the sensor has dust on it next time till AFTER you have used the camera for something.. Sure I guess it's simple enough to clean< although the pads and holder etc sound like a pain..) but you don't know you need to clean it until you've got a bunch of images already taken with dust spots or blurry places on them.. SignatureStacey >> Correct, I didn't find the issue until I got home to process the images. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > know you need to clean it until you've got a bunch of images already taken > with dust spots or blurry places on them.. No kidding. I think that goes without saying. However, I *could* take a test shot of a white wall or the sky at f/22 before I head out. In my case, I have never had a dust problem in the past and never fealt the need to check. My future expeditions certainly will be preceded by such a test shot. SignatureThomas T. Veldhouse Key Fingerprint: 2DB9 813F F510 82C2 E1AE 34D0 D69D 1EDC D5EC AED1 |
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