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Photo Forum / Digital Photography / DSLR Cameras / June 2006D200 quirk #2
So I'm back from a trip and I took over 1000 pictures. I'm trying to move them from my CF card to my hard drive. The D200 split them into two folders. This is to be expected because of the FAT limitations. But in the second folder it started the numbers from 0001 again. So now I can't simply copy all the pictures into a single folder on my NTFS hard disk. I'll have to write a program to rename them so I can merge them together. What a pain. Don <www.donwiss.com> (e-mail link at home page bottom). > So I'm back from a trip and I took over 1000 pictures. I'm trying to > move them from my CF card to my hard drive. The D200 split them into [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > NTFS hard disk. I'll have to write a program to rename them so I can > merge them together. What a pain. You might check the manual to see if there is a custom setting that will change how it numbers files. On all of my Canon DSLRs, you can choose continuous numbering, or numbering that resets each time. I can't immagine why I'd want it to reset, and I'd bet Nikon was smart enough to anticipate this...offering a similar choice. But ya... What a pain... -Mark²  SignatureImages (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by Mark² at: www.pbase.com/markuson >> So I'm back from a trip and I took over 1000 pictures. I'm trying to >> move them from my CF card to my hard drive. The D200 split them into [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >But ya... What a pain... I found it buried under Sequential file numbering. I had to hunt around, as it only appears in the index under S. The default is to start at 0001 for each new folder. The program to renumber was easy to write. The time was lost as I copied the two folders into one before I realized what was happening. So I had to delete everything and recopy into two folders to start. And copying 2GB takes time. (It's still copying as we've have this discussion and I've written the program to make sequential. But I've lost having every picture I've taken with the camera being sequentially numbered.) Don <www.donwiss.com> (e-mail link at home page bottom). > So I'm back from a trip and I took over 1000 pictures. I'm trying to move > them from my CF card to my hard drive. The D200 split them into two [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Don <www.donwiss.com> (e-mail link at home page bottom). The Canon software copies the images from the card into date-labelled folders, so even if the numbers are duplicated, the images shoud go into different folders - unless you started and filled the first folder, then started the second folder on the same day. I should think that Nikon would have the same system. Colin D. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> So I'm back from a trip and I took over 1000 pictures. I'm trying to move >> them from my CF card to my hard drive. The D200 split them into two [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> to write a program to rename them so I can merge them together. What a >> pain. >The Canon software copies the images from the card into date-labelled >folders, so even if the numbers are duplicated, the images shoud go into >different folders - unless you started and filled the first folder, then >started the second folder on the same day. I should think that Nikon >would have the same system. Okay. How does this help when you want to merge all the pictures into a single folder? Don <www.donwiss.com/pictures/> (e-mail link at page bottoms). > >> So I'm back from a trip and I took over 1000 pictures. I'm trying to move > >> them from my CF card to my hard drive. The D200 split them into two [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Okay. How does this help when you want to merge all the pictures into a > single folder? Ah, yes, I see that's what you want to do. I keep mine in the date-labelled folders, and keep a reference of dates against subjects. To each his own, I guess. Colin D. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com According to ColinD <nospam@127.0.0.1>: > > >> So I'm back from a trip and I took over 1000 pictures. I'm trying to move > > >> them from my CF card to my hard drive. The D200 split them into two [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > >The Canon software copies the images from the card into date-labelled > > >folders [ ... ] > > Okay. How does this help when you want to merge all the pictures into a > > single folder? > > > Ah, yes, I see that's what you want to do. I keep mine in the > date-labelled folders, and keep a reference of dates against subjects. > To each his own, I guess. Some programs, such as dcraw can change the file times to match the date recorded in the EXIF data: ====================================================================== -z Change the access and modification times of an AVI, JPEG or raw file to when the photo was taken, assuming that the camera clock was set to Universal Time. ====================================================================== With that, you can sort by date and time with the right options to your directory sort/listing program. Of course, this does not deal with duplicate file names, so consider a script which renames the files according to the time recorded in the EXIF data. The format reported by the unix exiftool program from a D200 is: 2006:05:22 16:11:13 which ideally should be changed to: 2006:05:22_16:11:13 to avoid problems with command-line programs (unix and even Windows). I'm not sure how happy Windows might be with the colons, but unix can handle them happily. I would probably make the filename format: 2006-05-22_16:11:13 instead, as I find that more readable -- but that is personal preference. So -- a script can rename the files (or to be safe, *copy* the files) to names derived from the EXIF data, and you are fine -- unless you have been shooting in burst mode and thus have more than one shot taken in the same second. Then you need to have the program which does the renaming check whether there is an already-existing file with the just generated name, and append a suffix if necessary, such as: 2006-05-22_16:11:13-a 2006-05-22_16:11:13-b 2006-05-22_16:11:13-c 2006-05-22_16:11:13-d 2006-05-22_16:11:13-e (which should be enough to handle a burst mode of five frames per second.) Enjoy, DoN. SignatureEmail: <dnichols@d-and-d.com> | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- > >> So I'm back from a trip and I took over 1000 pictures. I'm trying to move > >> them from my CF card to my hard drive. The D200 split them into two [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Okay. How does this help when you want to merge all the pictures into a > single folder? Well you can always use ACDSee to mass-rename using any numbering method of your preference in a single touch! > > So I'm back from a trip and I took over 1000 pictures. I'm trying to move > > them from my CF card to my hard drive. The D200 split them into two [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > The Canon software copies the images from the card into date-labelled > folders, Someone actually uses the Canon software to pull images? Greg > > > So I'm back from a trip and I took over 1000 pictures. I'm trying to > move [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Greg Pulling them isn't a problem with the Canon software. Working on them is, though, which is why I use DxO. Colin D. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com I'll have >to write a program to rename them so I can merge them together. What a >pain. If jpgs an you're on a PC the batch rename function os Irfanview could be used to do this trivially. -- Ed Ruf (Usenet2@EdwardG.Ruf.com) http://edwardgruf.com/Digital_Photography/General/index.html > I'll have > >to write a program to rename them so I can merge them together. What a > >pain. > If jpgs an you're on a PC the batch rename function os Irfanview could be > used to do this trivially. So can the *command line*. Yeesh. >> I'll have >> >to write a program to rename them so I can merge them together. What a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >So can the *command line*. Yeesh. The rename capability of Irfanview is a lot more sophisticated than your example below. Yes, one can easily write a batch file to do this as well. But many of use have Irfanview around for it's ease of use for doing lots of little things such as this. -- Ed Ruf (Usenet2@EdwardG.Ruf.com) http://edwardgruf.com/Digital_Photography/General/index.html According to Don Wiss <donwiss@no_spam.com>: > So I'm back from a trip and I took over 1000 pictures. I'm trying to move > them from my CF card to my hard drive. The D200 split them into two [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > to write a program to rename them so I can merge them together. What a > pain. I've set (now that I am using a large enough CF card to risk this problem) my scripts to copy the entire directory tree, so the image files with the duplicate numbers will be in separate directories. Did you go into your menus to set the "File No Sequence" menu item to "ON"? It is in the "Set Up Menu" (icon is a wrench) in my D70. Without that, it will reset to 0001 every time it switches to a new folder, or a new CF card is installed. Otherwise, it will only reset when it rolls over "9999" in the file name. Anyway -- if you need to merge them, you can copy each directory to its own directory on the computer, and then use whatever tools you have to rename them with more digits, setting the most significant digit higher on the second and later batches. I could tell you ways to do it on my unix system, but you'll have to find suggestions from others for other systems. Looking at the sample shots which I took with a D200 in the store on my own CF card (to make sure that I could convert the RAW format with my unix tools), I see that even with the raw files, the format of the file name is "DSC_####.NEF", so you could replace the '_' with 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9 for the later directories. And, I would suggest also replacing it with '0' in the first directory, so things will sort properly when they are all merged -- assuming that Windows will gracefully accept more than 1000 images in a single directory. Proably the NT filesystem will, but old FAT ones probably would still have problems. Enjoy, DoN. SignatureEmail: <dnichols@d-and-d.com> | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- > Did you go into your menus to set the "File No Sequence" menu >item to "ON"? It is in the "Set Up Menu" (icon is a wrench) in my D70. I have now. I think it is stupid to default to restarting the numbering. At least all the D200 owners (and prospective ones) are reading this thread and changing the default. > Anyway -- if you need to merge them, you can copy each directory >to its own directory on the computer, and then use whatever tools you >have to rename them with more digits, setting the most significant digit It was easy to write a couple line program that added the number in the first folder (which was 1005) to the numbers in the second. To create my web albums I write programs like this all the time. With the number of pictures that I have on the web no HTML is created by hand! Don <www.donwiss.com/pictures/> (e-mail link at page bottoms). According to Don Wiss <donwiss@no_spam.com>: > > Did you go into your menus to set the "File No Sequence" menu > >item to "ON"? It is in the "Set Up Menu" (icon is a wrench) in my D70. > > I have now. I think it is stupid to default to restarting the numbering. At > least all the D200 owners (and prospective ones) are reading this thread > and changing the default. When I first got my D70, I spent some time with the manual and the menus, going through each to see what it did, and setting to what I figured made sense for me *before* I started using the camera enough to get to the end of the first CF card, so I have never had it reset automatically to the starting number. (I *do* manually reset it at the start of each year -- unless I forget. :-) So -- I have never hit the 9999 point (yet). Note that even the resetting to 0001 on each new directory is better than the *only* choice on the NC2000e/c -- the N90s film camera converted to digital by Kodak. That used the two digit *film* frame number from the body as the next to least significant two digits in the recorded file name. The last digit was always zero, leaving the same file name but with 1-9 for the .wav files for voice annotation from a tiny microphone on the back of the camera. Anyway, there was no way to reset that body frame number without actual film in the camera to rewind, so when you switched to a new PCMCIA hard disk drive (it would not talk to CF cards in PCMCIA adaptors for whatever reason) it would reset to some number like 0320, and count up by tens until it got to the 0990, and then reset to 0000, and count up to 0310 before it would switch to 1000. This was a real pain in trying to get the images back to proper sequential naming. You had to work from the timestamps in the exif data. > > Anyway -- if you need to merge them, you can copy each directory > >to its own directory on the computer, and then use whatever tools you > >have to rename them with more digits, setting the most significant digit > > It was easy to write a couple line program that added the number in the > first folder (which was 1005) to the numbers in the second. What language -- and what OS? (I didn't bother checking your headers for clues. :-) > To create my > web albums I write programs like this all the time. With the number of > pictures that I have on the web no HTML is created by hand! Just as I use a shell script to generate pages of photos from a specific event. I only need to go in and hand edit if I want to add comments to each individual image -- and often I prefer to leave them un-commented, depending on the nature of the page. The script both reduces the original images to a more reasonable size for the web, and generated thumbnails (in two subdirectories), leaving the full-sized original available for download if someone wants to work a little at modifying the URL -- say if they need maxiumum detail from the images, such as images documenting how something works. They come out in sequence even with an overlap if I bother to re-name the images by changing the default '_' to an appropriate digit. Yes, there are gaps, but there are gaps where I have deleted images as well, so it does not matter. Enjoy, DoN. SignatureEmail: <dnichols@d-and-d.com> | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- >> It was easy to write a couple line program that added the number in the >> first folder (which was 1005) to the numbers in the second. > > What language -- and what OS? (I didn't bother checking your >headers for clues. :-) On my CF card it was FAT. But for some reason it numbered the last 1005 in the first folder, not the 999 that the manual says. Maybe as I had deleted some of the earlier ones. >> To create my >> web albums I write programs like this all the time. With the number of [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >comments to each individual image -- and often I prefer to leave them >un-commented, depending on the nature of the page. I have tables for everything that the code building programs use. Captions is one table. Album info is another. A title tag table exists only for my storefronts albums. And index vectors exist for the few albums (i.e. storefronts) that are in a logical order. Having started on PhotoPoint I strongly believe that the deep link to a picture should never change. > The script both >reduces the original images to a more reasonable size for the web, and >generated thumbnails (in two subdirectories), leaving the full-sized >original available for download if someone wants to work a little at >modifying the URL -- say if they need maxiumum detail from the images, >such as images documenting how something works. I took pictures for a long time in web size, this as I had not figured out how to reduce under program control. Then I realized that the Easy Thumbnails program I was calling via a command line prompt could also be used to create web sized. So I developed an algorithm to determine to what height to reduce to. > They come out in sequence even with an overlap if I bother to >re-name the images by changing the default '_' to an appropriate digit. >Yes, there are gaps, but there are gaps where I have deleted images as >well, so it does not matter. I have automated everything. I just have to select, crop (using jpegcrop) and write the captions. For parade or party pictures the program can be run to use the time stamps for the captions. Of course being a programmer by profession helps! Don <www.donwiss.com/pictures/> (e-mail link at page bottoms). >On my CF card it was FAT. But for some reason it numbered the last 1005 in >the first folder, not the 999 that the manual says. Maybe as I had deleted >some of the earlier ones. See the bottom of p. 128 of the fine manual. It's when there are 999 files in the folder that this happens, not necessarily at file named DSC_0999. Also if one cares about keeping the whole numbering sequence going. With sequential numbering on you can reset the numbering sequence and put the last numbered file in the 100 folder and the camera will pick up the numbering from there. One caveat you have to be aware of is if you swap cards with other cameras, you can inadvertently restart the numbering system from another Nikon camera. -- Ed Ruf (Usenet2@EdwardG.Ruf.com) http://edwardgruf.com/Digital_Photography/General/index.html According to Don Wiss <donwiss@no_spam.com>: > >> It was easy to write a couple line program that added the number in the > >> first folder (which was 1005) to the numbers in the second. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > the first folder, not the 999 that the manual says. Maybe as I had deleted > some of the earlier ones. This still does not answer my questions above. Some OSs have serious problems with more than 1000 files of any sort or size in a given directory. And I'm wondering what programming language you used to accomplish it in a couple of lines. It it were a math-intensive program, I would expect it to be lisp -- famed for extremely complex one-liners. > >> To create my > >> web albums I write programs like this all the time. With the number of [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > storefronts) that are in a logical order. Having started on PhotoPoint I > strongly believe that the deep link to a picture should never change. The title of the web page is taken from the name of the directory in which I build it. I start with a directory full of full-sized images, and the script works from there. All sizes of images retain the same name, just in different subdirectories (the scaled ones, and the thumbnail ones) from the originals. > > The script both > >reduces the original images to a more reasonable size for the web, and [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > used to create web sized. So I developed an algorithm to determine to what > height to reduce to. For scaling I use a pipeline between djpeg and cjpeg which can take an argument of "-scale SCALE_FACTOR", where "SCALE_FACTOR is an integer power of two. That generally provides a reasonable size image. I cd to the directory in which the images have been placed, and run the script with the scale factor as an argument, and it builds it all. > > They come out in sequence even with an overlap if I bother to > >re-name the images by changing the default '_' to an appropriate digit. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > and write the captions. For parade or party pictures the program can be run > to use the time stamps for the captions. I add the datestamp and the size by default, and some groups of <P> HTML tags to give me room for editing comments if I want them. Since I don't build these as an online photo album, I don't bother extracting most of the EXIF data. Of course, there is boilerplate stuck at the beginning and the end of the code. And I don't bother with fancy backgrounds or frames or anything like that. After all -- it is better if it works for *all* browsers, instead of just the most current ones. :-) > Of course being a programmer by profession helps! I've been a programmer by hobby since 1976, when I got my first home computer. Then, the language was MC6800 assembly code (hand-assembled at first), and later progression through a lot of flavors of BASIC, MC6809 assembly language, a bit of FORTRAN somewhere in there, Pascal, C, shell scripts, perl, and various other things. Enjoy, DoN. SignatureEmail: <dnichols@d-and-d.com> | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- >> Did you go into your menus to set the "File No Sequence" menu >>item to "ON"? It is in the "Set Up Menu" (icon is a wrench) in my D70. > >I have now. I think it is stupid to default to restarting the numbering. At >least all the D200 owners (and prospective ones) are reading this thread >and changing the default. Actually this is the standard Nikon has used with all their digitals as far as I can tell. At least that's how it's worked on my 990, 5700, D70 and D200. -- Ed Ruf (Usenet2@EdwardG.Ruf.com) http://edwardgruf.com/Digital_Photography/General/index.html > So I'm back from a trip and I took over 1000 pictures. I'm trying to move > them from my CF card to my hard drive. The D200 split them into two [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > to write a program to rename them so I can merge them together. What a > pain. Write a program? Stick the stuff you want to rename into a directory. Start -> run -> cmd cd to that directory. ren * a* That'll take all the files you want to rename and stick an 'a' on the front of them. Then move them where you want. > Write a program? Stick the stuff you want to rename into a directory. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > That'll take all the files you want to rename and stick an 'a' on the > front of them. Then move them where you want. I gotta try this at home. It has to be one of the most useful things I have learned on-line in years! Thanks. Tien According to Brian Trosko <btrosko@panix.com>: > > So I'm back from a trip and I took over 1000 pictures. I'm trying to move > > them from my CF card to my hard drive. The D200 split them into two [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > That'll take all the files you want to rename and stick an 'a' on the > front of them. Then move them where you want. But -- beware that there may still be the same problem which was in the old MS-DOS command line. wildcarding is broken there, so something like: REN *_* *1* will fail in unpredictable ways. The problem is that the interpretation of '*' is "from here to the end of the field, generate '?'s", so the: *_* which *should* match only all files with a '_' in the file name, *actually* matches *all* files, because it is being treated as: ???????? ignoring the "_*" which followed the first '*'. (I've had this blow away a directory full of stuff when I really only wanted to blow away files with 'X' in the name with "DEL *X*.*".) I was first exposed to wildcarding on unix systems, which works properly, and made the mistake of assuming that MS-DOS did it the same way. They *may* have fixed this since, but don't bet on it until you have tested it. Remember that they have been concentrating on making the GUI work nicely, not the command line. (They've *really* wanted to make the command line go away, but they haven't, and are discovering some things which still require it.) FWIW -- on unix, the wildcarding is built into the shell (the equivalent of COMMAND.COM on MS-DOS), while in MS-DOS, it was built into the programs, and thus could behave differently from program to program. Enjoy, DoN. SignatureEmail: <dnichols@d-and-d.com> | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- > So I'm back from a trip and I took over 1000 pictures. I'm trying to move > them from my CF card to my hard drive. The D200 split them into two [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > to write a program to rename them so I can merge them together. What a > pain. Just copy the folder structure itself. There are plenty of programs out there that can rename them for you should you desire it. Even the Adobe DNG utility does a decent job. I do it in Adobe Bridge. SignatureThomas T. Veldhouse Key Fingerprint: 2DB9 813F F510 82C2 E1AE 34D0 D69D 1EDC D5EC AED1 > So I'm back from a trip and I took over 1000 pictures. I'm trying to move > them from my CF card to my hard drive. The D200 split them into two [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Don <www.donwiss.com> (e-mail link at home page bottom). You don't have to write a program. Go into command prompt, navigate to the folder holding hte second set of pictures and type rename DSC_*.* zDSC_*.* All Nikon D70 pics start with DSC_, so that's the frame of reference for the above. That will rename in an instant all images in the folder so that they start with a zDSC_. Then combine the two folders. (I could probably just make it rename *.* zDSC_*.*, but the first helps me keep what I'm trying to do straight in my head, and it works! :) SignatureRegards, Matt Clara www.mattclara.com Depending on the colour space. SignatureJoan http://www.flickr.com/photos/joan-in-manly : All Nikon D70 pics start with DSC_ > So I'm back from a trip and I took over 1000 pictures. I'm trying to move > them from my CF card to my hard drive. The D200 split them into two > folders. This is to be expected because of the FAT limitations. Really? I have a 4Gb card in my D70 and it does not split things into two folders even if I fill it up. According to cjcampbell <christophercampbell@hotmail.com>: > > So I'm back from a trip and I took over 1000 pictures. I'm trying to move > > them from my CF card to my hard drive. The D200 split them into two > > folders. This is to be expected because of the FAT limitations. > > Really? I have a 4Gb card in my D70 and it does not split things into > two folders even if I fill it up. And you are almost certainly using RAW format, so the camera can only put somewhere over 700 images on the CF card. If you switch down to "large/fine" quality settings (the largest highest quality JPEGs) the number of shots which can be fit jumps up to 1.1K+ so you can now exceed the limit of 999 images per folder, so it should now create a second folder once it reaches that limit. Enjoy, DoN. SignatureEmail: <dnichols@d-and-d.com> | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- > According to cjcampbell <christophercampbell@hotmail.com>: > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > the limit of 999 images per folder, so it should now create a second > folder once it reaches that limit. Well, I guess that explains it. Yeah, I can only put 719 RAW images on a 4Gb card. > So I'm back from a trip and I took over 1000 pictures. I'm trying to move > them from my CF card to my hard drive. The D200 split them into two > folders. This is to be expected because of the FAT limitations. But in the > second folder it started the numbers from 0001 again. Now that you know how to keep it from doing that, you should also be aware that it re-starts the count at 9,999 anyway. Renaming all your files is a real good idea just for that reason alone. |
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