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New Sigma 4/3 lenses, out when?

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Jeremiah DeWitt Weiner - 13 Jun 2006 21:39 GMT
    On February 26th, Sigma announced a bunch of lenses for the 4/3
system.  Well, here it is a quarter-year later and there doesn't seem to
be any more concrete information.  One guy on http://www.4-3system.com
says he's heard release dates ranging from May to July.  I talked to a
salesman at B&H, but he didn't know, saying "My Sigma guy is coming in
this week, and I'll ask him."

    Anybody heard anything about release dates or pricing?  Particularly
on that 30mm f/1.4...

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RW+/- - 14 Jun 2006 01:47 GMT
>     On February 26th, Sigma announced a bunch of lenses for the 4/3
> system.  Well, here it is a quarter-year later and there doesn't seem to
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>     Anybody heard anything about release dates or pricing?  Particularly
> on that 30mm f/1.4...

Hmmm, sounds interesting.
Steve Wolfe - 14 Jun 2006 03:52 GMT
> Anybody heard anything about release dates or pricing?  Particularly
> on that 30mm f/1.4...

 Yeah, that's what on the 4/3, a short telephoto?

 :-)

steve
RW+/- - 14 Jun 2006 04:03 GMT
>> Anybody heard anything about release dates or pricing?  Particularly
>> on that 30mm f/1.4...
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>
> steve

If you consider 60mm a short tele. :)

Just to help you out Steve the 4/3's made it simple think in multiplier of
two. Although I'd bet you prefer saying something like, "I'm shooting
57.6223 35mm equivalent, eh?
Steve Wolfe - 14 Jun 2006 04:07 GMT
> If you consider 60mm a short tele. :)

C'mon, it was just a joke. =)

> Just to help you out Steve the 4/3's made it simple think in multiplier of
> two. Although I'd bet you prefer saying something like, "I'm shooting
> 57.6223 35mm equivalent, eh?

 No, I just go by the focal length, and don't bother what it is in 35mm
equivalent.  If people who moved between formats always had to think in
terms of 35mm equivalents, photography would have died not long after its
inception.

steve
RW+/- - 14 Jun 2006 04:39 GMT
>> If you consider 60mm a short tele. :)
>
>  C'mon, it was just a joke. =)

heh, just was adding to it. ')

>> Just to help you out Steve the 4/3's made it simple think in multiplier of
>> two. Although I'd bet you prefer saying something like, "I'm shooting
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> terms of 35mm equivalents, photography would have died not long after its
> inception.

I'd of preferred they just dropped the 35mm format pretty much altogether
and changed to something more paper compatible or web compatible.

The big part I don't like is no more DOF on the lenses as they might fit on
different sensors, hence the constant referring back to 35.
Stacey - 14 Jun 2006 04:23 GMT
>>> Anybody heard anything about release dates or pricing?  Particularly
>>> on that 30mm f/1.4...
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> Just to help you out Steve the 4/3's made it simple think in multiplier of
> two.

It also depends on which you use, the horizontal or the vertical dimension.
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RW+/- - 14 Jun 2006 04:40 GMT
>>>> Anybody heard anything about release dates or pricing?  Particularly
>>>> on that 30mm f/1.4...
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>
> It also depends on which you use, the horizontal or the vertical dimension.

or diagonal, lol
Stacey - 14 Jun 2006 07:13 GMT
> or diagonal, lol

Yep. I mostly printed 8X10's from the 3:2 format so it's not really 2X to me
going to 4/3 with a FF lens. YMMV of course.
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ian - 14 Jun 2006 15:22 GMT
>> or diagonal, lol
>
> Yep. I mostly printed 8X10's from the 3:2 format so it's not really 2X to
> me
> going to 4/3 with a FF lens. YMMV of course.

why argue its a sigma.  Long before you have to worry about recalculating
real world performance for your next camera you will have to send it away to
be reichpped.  Thats if it hasn't already fallen apart or you replaced it
with a decent one.  You really get what you pay for.
Pete D - 14 Jun 2006 21:49 GMT
>>> or diagonal, lol
>>
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> to be reichpped.  Thats if it hasn't already fallen apart or you replaced
> it with a decent one.  You really get what you pay for.

OMG, can this be true? Cheaper lenses aren't as good as very expensive
ones?????
J. Clarke - 15 Jun 2006 01:07 GMT
>>>> or diagonal, lol
>>>
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> OMG, can this be true? Cheaper lenses aren't as good as very expensive
> ones?????

There's a specific problem with Sigma--they reverse engineered the Canon
mount and related electronics and firmware, rather than licensing them, and
their reverse engineering seems to break down when Canon produces new
bodies.

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Pete D - 15 Jun 2006 07:22 GMT
>>>> Yep. I mostly printed 8X10's from the 3:2 format so it's not really 2X
>>>> to me
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> their reverse engineering seems to break down when Canon produces new
> bodies.

I was not aware the 4/3 lenses fitted the Canon cameras, thanks for clearing
that up.

Mind you the standard Sigma lenses work perfectly on my camera and on many
others, sure
there have been some duds but you can also blame Canon for some of the lens
compatability woes, the same lenses work fine on Nikon, Pentax and KM's.

Also keep in mind that Canon cameras also have problems with some Canon
lenses.
Alan Hoyle - 15 Jun 2006 21:58 GMT
> I was not aware the 4/3 lenses fitted the Canon cameras, thanks for clearing
> that up.

> Mind you the standard Sigma lenses work perfectly on my camera and on many
> others, sure
> there have been some duds but you can also blame Canon for some of the lens
> compatability woes, the same lenses work fine on Nikon, Pentax and KM's.

> Also keep in mind that Canon cameras also have problems with some Canon
> lenses.

Also, the 4/3 standard is open, so they don't have to do any reverse
engineering for those lenses.

-alan

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Luke Bosman - 17 Jun 2006 07:02 GMT
> Mind you the standard Sigma lenses work perfectly on my camera and on many
> others, sure
> there have been some duds but you can also blame Canon for some of the lens
> compatability woes, the same lenses work fine on Nikon, Pentax and KM's.

Really? Would you care to explain why the Sigma 24/1.8 EX DG works
perfectly on my wife's Dynax 8000i but not at all on my Dynax 5?

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Matt Clara - 18 Jun 2006 19:30 GMT
>>>>> Yep. I mostly printed 8X10's from the 3:2 format so it's not really 2X
>>>>> to me
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> lens
> compatability woes, the same lenses work fine on Nikon, Pentax and KM's.

Canon doesn't license their lens mount to anyone, thus all third party
lenses for the EOS system must reverse engineer.  It's interesting to note
that we almost never hear of a need to rechip old Tamrons or Tokinas, but
the issue about Sigmas comes up fairly often.  That would tend to indicate
the lion's share of the blame rests in Sigma's design standards.

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Stacey - 16 Jun 2006 06:40 GMT
> why argue its a sigma.  Long before you have to worry about recalculating
> real world performance for your next camera you will have to send it away
> to be reichpped.

4/3 is an open standard.

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