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Why does the D200 have a QUAL button?

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Roy Smith - 06 Jun 2006 13:33 GMT
I've had my D200 for under a week now, and I'm just learning how it works.  
I can see why you would want ISO and WB buttons in a convenient place
because those are things that seem like you would be changing whenever the
lighting changes, which could be almost every shot.

But, I don't see why QUAL is up there too.  I would guess you'd pick a QUAL
setting and leave it there for a whole shooting session.  Do people really
change QUAL settings for each specific shot?  I could see leaving it on
"L/fine" and probably never touching it again unless I was running out of
room on my memory card and didn't have a spare with me.
tomm42 - 06 Jun 2006 13:50 GMT
> I've had my D200 for under a week now, and I'm just learning how it works.
> I can see why you would want ISO and WB buttons in a convenient place
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> "L/fine" and probably never touching it again unless I was running out of
> room on my memory card and didn't have a spare with me.

I switch between RAW and jpeg depending on the situation. I think it is
very nice to have outside the menu.

Tom
acl - 06 Jun 2006 14:08 GMT
> I switch between RAW and jpeg depending on the situation. I think it is
> very nice to have outside the menu.

I'd much prefer it if it allowed you to switch between shooting banks or
custom settings banks, perhaps by pressing it and rotating the front or
back dial. You could also change quality settings as a special case then.
Adrian Boliston - 06 Jun 2006 17:27 GMT
> I've had my D200 for under a week now, and I'm just learning how it works.
> I can see why you would want ISO and WB buttons in a convenient place
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> "L/fine" and probably never touching it again unless I was running out of
> room on my memory card and didn't have a spare with me.

You might want to be firing off rapid multiple exposures and not want to
fill the buffer.  If you have been shooting raw and quickly want to swich to
jpg then you would not want to go into a menu!
Paul Furman - 09 Jun 2006 06:05 GMT
> You might want to be firing off rapid multiple exposures and not want to
> fill the buffer.  If you have been shooting raw and quickly want to swich to
> jpg then you would not want to go into a menu!

This seems a good reason, like for sports or wildlife. The main reason I
shoot jpeg is if I want long bursts & I might need that suddenly as a
situation presents itself.
Jeremy Nixon - 06 Jun 2006 20:07 GMT
> But, I don't see why QUAL is up there too.

There are dozens of things that button could better have been used for.
It makes absolutely no sense to have a dedicated button for that; I have
never changed that setting and never will, and yet there are things I
must go into the menu for on a regular basis.

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DoN. Nichols - 06 Jun 2006 20:51 GMT
According to Roy Smith  <roy@panix.com>:
> I've had my D200 for under a week now, and I'm just learning how it works.  
> I can see why you would want ISO and WB buttons in a convenient place
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> "L/fine" and probably never touching it again unless I was running out of
> room on my memory card and didn't have a spare with me.

    On my D70, I currently keep it set to Large/Fine for most
things, but for a subject which might benefit from the extended
processing ability of RAW I will switch to RAW mode for that one shot or
group of shots.  (I used to keep it on Medium/Fine back when all I had
was two 1GB CF cards, but now that I have added a 4GB one to the
collection, I've switched to the Large/Fine.

    And -- if I want to take a lot of shots to document some event,
but I won't need the extended processing capabilities of RAW images, or
the higher detail of "Large", I may drop back to "Medium", though I will
usually keep "Fine".  I can't picture any sequence where I would drop back
to "Basic" -- though if the D70 had the intervalometer that the D200
has, I might some year set up looking out the bathroom window at some
trees, to capture the sequence of the buds opening to big fans of
leaves.  I *think* that 5 minutes between shots should be sufficient,
but perhaps I might need to go down to 1 minute between shots.

    5 minutes between shots works out to 288 shots in 24 hours, and
It would take perhaps a couple of weeks of exposures to cover the whole
sequence, so that is 4032 shots.  Normal/Medium gets me there on a 4GB CF
card -- just barely.  So does Large/Basic

    And while you can select these from the menus, it is a *lot*
quicker to make the choices from a single button and both thumbwheels.

    I would like to have the ability to switch between (pre-created)
folders from the buttons and thumbwheels too -- but the top display
can't show the names of all the possible folders, so I guess that I am
stuck with the menus for that.

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achilleaslazarides@yahoo.co.uk - 06 Jun 2006 22:24 GMT
>     I would like to have the ability to switch between (pre-created)
> folders from the buttons and thumbwheels too -- but the top display
> can't show the names of all the possible folders, so I guess that I am
> stuck with the menus for that.

This already exists, there are 4 "shooting banks" and 4 "custom setting
banks" already. Which one is active is constantly displayed on the top
LCD (the shooting banks are called A, B, C and D, and so are the custom
setting ones...). One could set up shooting bank A for RAW, B for jpeg
portraits, C for jpeg landscapes etc. The QUAL button could have
allowed selection of a custom setting bank with the front dial and a
shooting bank with the rear, say. As a special case, it could do the
job it does now if properly set up.

I don't understand why it's set up like this.
Rita Ä Berkowitz - 06 Jun 2006 22:39 GMT
> This already exists, there are 4 "shooting banks" and 4 "custom
> setting banks" already. Which one is active is constantly displayed
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>
> I don't understand why it's set up like this.

I agree that this would be nice.  I primarily shoot RAW so having the button
on the outside is a waste.  I guess Nikon couldn't think of any other
function to put on that button.  It doesn't bother me, though, and I never
thought about it.

Rita
Bill - 07 Jun 2006 20:14 GMT
>> But, I don't see why QUAL is up there too.  I would guess you'd pick a QUAL
>> setting and leave it there for a whole shooting session.  Do people really
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>processing ability of RAW I will switch to RAW mode for that one shot or
>group of shots.

Something I've noticed with the D70s that my friend has, is the
Large/Fine jpg files do not capture as much detail as the raw files.
We've tried adjusting contrast, sharpness, etc., to try to improve
detail retention, but the jpg format Nikon implemented just loses too
much detail.

For snapshots the jpg quality is fine, but if you want to enlarge and
retain fine detail, you have to shoot raw.

That may not be a bad thing though. For typical family shots, parties,
and other social gatherings, jpg files from the D70s are fine. But if
you're on a trip to the Grand Canyon or something, then shooting raw
will retain finer detail just in case you need it.

My Canon on the other hand produces very good jpg files straight out of
the camera - they're as good as raw converted to jpg. And for that
reason I rarely shoot raw unless I intend to manipulate the images.
Randy Howard - 07 Jun 2006 18:07 GMT
Roy Smith wrote
(in article <roy-2CFF3C.08334806062006@reader2.panix.com>):

> I've had my D200 for under a week now, and I'm just learning how it works.  
> I can see why you would want ISO and WB buttons in a convenient place
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> "L/fine" and probably never touching it again unless I was running out of
> room on my memory card and didn't have a spare with me.

Just as you wonder that, I wonder why anyone would ever shoot
anything other than RAW with a D200.  :-)

I guess Nikon caters to everyone on their digital bodies
nowadays.

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Nick Beard - 07 Jun 2006 22:10 GMT
Whatever anyone does, their damned if they do, and damned if they dont! Just
use the tool to do the job and quit nit-picking!!

> Roy Smith wrote
> (in article <roy-2CFF3C.08334806062006@reader2.panix.com>):
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> I guess Nikon caters to everyone on their digital bodies
> nowadays.
Randy Howard - 08 Jun 2006 03:16 GMT
Nick Beard wrote
(in article <e67fas$h1o$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>):

> Whatever anyone does, their damned if they do, and damned if they dont! Just
> use the tool to do the job and quit nit-picking!!

Please don't top-post.

Perhaps that is why you fail to fully comprehend the emoticon
below.

>> Roy Smith wrote
>> (in article <roy-2CFF3C.08334806062006@reader2.panix.com>):
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>> I guess Nikon caters to everyone on their digital bodies
>> nowadays.

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Nick Beard - 11 Jun 2006 20:52 GMT
Whatever Dude!!!!
 
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