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ChrisJP - 05 Jun 2006 15:42 GMT
My Epson 2200 died last month and I'm loooking to replace it soon.  Was
wondering if anyone out there has real world experience w/the Epson
R1800.  I've seen multiple reviews and they are mostly positive.  Just
wanted a little more input before I make the purchase.

Thanks to all in advance!
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Dmac - 05 Jun 2006 22:10 GMT
> My Epson 2200 died last month and I'm loooking to replace it soon.  Was
> wondering if anyone out there has real world experience w/the Epson
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> Visit:
> www.cjpphotos.com

The "drop-in" replacement for the 2200 is the r2400. I have one after a
brief ownership of an r800 (the A4 version of the one you are
considering). All I can say is if you can possible spring for the extra
cost, the2400 is the way to go.

Prints are "different" but the 2400 is unmatched for speed and of course
the K3 inks are the real lure. If you sell your pictures and intend to
print your own, you absolutely need pigment inks.
frederick - 05 Jun 2006 23:45 GMT
> My Epson 2200 died last month and I'm loooking to replace it soon.  Was
> wondering if anyone out there has real world experience w/the Epson
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> Thanks to all in advance!
> --
I have an R1800.
The positives are no blockages or head cleanings (manual head cleanings)
required after 1 year of varied (sometimes heavy - sometimes idle for
many weeks) use.
Output is excellent on matte papers - gamut is greater than the 2200 -
the prints look better.  The gloss optimiser does work very effectively
on semi-gloss papers - so zero gloss differential / no bronzing, reduced
effect of the ink being "layered" inherent with pigment printers.  I
can't say I like the full gloss - as although bronzing/gloss
differential aren't a factor, the prints aren't as glossy as either good
dye ink prints or wet process prints, and the "chalkiness" of pigment
inks becomes apparent on this media type.
For B&W, the R1800 does a very good job - with canned profiles I get a
very slight colour cast - almost imperceptible but there if you look hard.
Depending on your needs, there are a couple of other options to look at.
 The Epson R2400 offers an inkset with 3 black inks for neutral
monochrome printing.  As well as the improving tonality by three black
densities, the inks themselves are "neutral", so colour cast issues are
not a problem.  (previous pigment "black" was not blended - just plain
carbon black which is yellowish - meaning that other colour inks are
applied in monochrome printing by necessity in attempt to make the greys
neutral - only partly successful, as the yellowish tone of the "plain"
carbon black ink varies with density) The downsides to the R2400 are
that more ink is used (it takes more "light" colours to achieve a given
tone than smaller drops of "full strength" ink) and a cartridge change
is required when switching between matte and gloss media - there is a
gloss/photo black and a matte black, and switching these cartridges will
use/waste ink for flushing/priming.  Upside - apart from B&W is that the
light shade inks (cyan and magenta as well as the greys) increase gamut
beyond the R1800 - and way ahead of the 2100/2200.  The printer is also
priced considerably higher than the R1800, despite sharing nearly all
components (remove the outer case, and they are nearly identical).
HP are in the process of releasing an a3+ pigment printer.  This has
separate ink reservoirs and replaceable heads, 8 colour inkset, longer
(double) display permanence rating (results from Willhelm) than than the
R2400, "self maintaining" heads, and closed-loop calibration.  Initial
reports are that results including monochrome are on a par with the
R2400 (although it has "only" two - not three black shades).  Price is
similar to the R2400.  Ink cartridges are about double the capacity of
the 2400, and waste for auto cleaning cycles should be much less. (the
printer performs head-cleaning if it detects blockages occurring and can
apparently switch nozzles on the fly, but all epson printers perform
head maintenance cleaning automatically every few days - whether needed
or not).  It sounds fantastic so far.  The catches with this might be
that despite larger capacity cartridges and reduced waste, the ink
cartridges are probably going to be expensive, and the cost for head
replacements and expectation for how often this will be needed is
unknown.  I'm sure HP marketing dept have the real figures, and will
price consumables (including heads) accordingly so that nobody gets a
free lunch.
Canon are also releasing a 10 colour A3+ pigment printer "Pixma
Pro9500".  I have not seen any real comment on this at all.  The only
review of Canon's pigment printers I've seen has been of the larger 17"
12 colour printer, where output didn't look great in comparison to
Epson's R4800, but trusting one review may be misleading.
My suggestion would be that if monochrome is not a main criteria, the
the R1800 is available now and has been established for over a year, and
has some advantages over any alternatives on gloss and semi-gloss media.
If monochrome is important, then the R2400 has "state of the art" output
quality, but it would niggle me to buy one now when it appears that the
new HP printer solves some significant problems (matte/gloss cartridge
change - ink waste), yet has many unknowns - that will remain unknown
until it has been used in the market for some time.
Paul Furman - 06 Jun 2006 01:11 GMT
> My Epson 2200 died last month and I'm loooking to replace it soon.  Was
> wondering if anyone out there has real world experience w/the Epson
> R1800.  I've seen multiple reviews and they are mostly positive.  Just
> wanted a little more input before I make the purchase.

I have one and I like it. Biggest complaint is with heavy watercolor
paper (300gsm Moab Entrada) that has to be fed through a separate slot
and requires holding your hand with gentle pressure for about 30 seconds
for a clean feed. Heavy stock can only be used in 8x10 and up, specific
sizes so no easy way to make test prints. The watercolor paper prints
are brighter colors, a whole different gamut than gloss or semigloss
Epson, and I have standard profiles so I don't know why it's so
different, I just accept that. I just did a print today that came out
really bizzare:
http://www.edgehill.net/temp/_DSC1776.JPG
note the print on top is watercolor, the blurry yellow edge that fades
to green went into oddly banded striations compared to the smooth
transition on the bottom print with semigloss epson paper.

But I haven't seen this before and no banding problems, usually big
broad transitions come out great.

There is no way to print with the black cartridge only. So printing
emails will have blue hyperlinks.

Borderless prints are also restricted to specific sizes, you can't cut
13x19 in half and still print borderless.

Borderless 13x19 are just great. I love it!
frederick - 06 Jun 2006 06:17 GMT
>> My Epson 2200 died last month and I'm loooking to replace it soon.  Was
>> wondering if anyone out there has real world experience w/the Epson
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>
> Borderless 13x19 are just great. I love it!

Just a couple of suggestions Paul.
For test prints I print a small section of the same full sheet.  Use
less paper and ink that way than cutting or using 6x4's - you just need
to be sure to line up the printed area right.
Similarly, I do print 13x19 with two borderless prints per sheet - cut
after printing with an inexpensive A3 rotary cutter.
ChrisJP - 06 Jun 2006 17:51 GMT
Thanks to all wh replied to my query.  I bit the bullet this morning
and ordered the R1800 from Amazon.

Once again this group has come through for me.  I appreciate all the
advice.
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Greg - 06 Jun 2006 18:04 GMT
> Thanks to all wh replied to my query.  I bit the bullet this morning
> and ordered the R1800 from Amazon.
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> Visit:
> www.cjpphotos.com

Don't forget the follow up and let us know if you like it.
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ChrisJP - 12 Jun 2006 02:58 GMT
Don't forget the follow up and let us know if you like it.
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Been using My Epson R1800 for about a week now and have done several
prints.  The R1800 Compares quite nicely to my old 2200 in quality.
The R1800 appeares to be somewhat quicker; and I like that it's a bit
smaller too.
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Greg - 12 Jun 2006 04:28 GMT
> Don't forget the follow up and let us know if you like it.
> --
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> The R1800 appeares to be somewhat quicker; and I like that it's a bit
> smaller too.

Chris;

What papers are you using. I've tried the Matte Enhanced-came with the
printer and the Glossy, I think however I like the Premium Luster and am
in the middle of a huge print order, 25- 11x14, 50 8x10 and 125 5x7's
using that paper.

I intend on using some other brands after this job :)
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ChrisJP - 13 Jun 2006 12:40 GMT
Chris;

What papers are you using. I've tried the Matte Enhanced-came with the
printer and the Glossy, I think however I like the Premium Luster and
am
in the middle of a huge print order, 25- 11x14, 50 8x10 and 125 5x7's
using that paper.

I intend on using some other brands after this job :)
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Right now I'm primarily using Premium Glossy.  I'd like to try matte
paper at some point.
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Paul Furman - 08 Jun 2006 14:54 GMT
>>> My Epson 2200 died last month and I'm loooking to replace it soon.  Was
>>> wondering if anyone out there has real world experience w/the Epson
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> less paper and ink that way than cutting or using 6x4's - you just need
> to be sure to line up the printed area right.

I made an 8x10 with a cutout that recieves 13x19 cut in eighths
(sixteenths?) but's pretty awkward & prone to jam using lightly sticky
painters tape to hold the test piece in.

> Similarly, I do print 13x19 with two borderless prints per sheet - cut
> after printing with an inexpensive A3 rotary cutter.

Yep. The half size 13x19's are a nice size too.
Greg - 06 Jun 2006 02:49 GMT
I got mine two weeks ago Chris, the colors rather surprised me
how good  they are-compared to my Epson 1280 far superior. I mainly
bought this printer to do in house prints from digital files, as I have
a full color enabled darkroom digital represents a small but growingly
important portion of my business. I rather got tired of traveling miles
for output files that did not exceed or even meet expectations.

Out of the box I was easily able by reading instructions to match prints
to me onscreen images. So I am happy.

> My Epson 2200 died last month and I'm loooking to replace it soon.  Was
> wondering if anyone out there has real world experience w/the Epson
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Visit:
> www.cjpphotos.com
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bwoag - 06 Jun 2006 05:43 GMT
I have an Epson 1280 and an 1800. Which gives "better" color is a subjective
judgment, but I tend to use the 1800 more, possibly just because it is
faster? I would have no reservations about recommending the 1800 for color
photo printing. The gloss optimizer is odd if you are coming from dye based
printers but bronzing and all that seems to be a non starter. The Epson
canned profiles are pretty accurate. My limited attempts at B&W printing
have not been spectacular (it could be my photos) but I do not think single
black cartridge printers can compete with printers like the 2400 in the
hands of someone dedicated to B&W printing. Alas the 1800 is an Epson and
one has to be vigilant about trying to minimize clogs and checking for clogs
prior to every printing session. As an added benefit the 1800 supposedly
prints on CDs but I doubt I will ever actually use that function or have a
clue as to why I would want to.
Greg - 06 Jun 2006 12:08 GMT
> As an added benefit the 1800 supposedly
> prints on CDs but I doubt I will ever actually use that function or have a
> clue as to why I would want to.

Think professional's -need to show work to publishers and digital files
on CD's make sense. Customizing the art on those CD's is a big plus.
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David Dyer-Bennet - 06 Jun 2006 20:57 GMT
> > As an added benefit the 1800 supposedly
> > prints on CDs but I doubt I will ever actually use that function or have a
> > clue as to why I would want to.
>
> Think professional's -need to show work to publishers and digital files
> on CD's make sense. Customizing the art on those CD's is a big plus.

For that matter, it's likely to be less dangerous to the archival life
of the CD than a paper label, and much more legible than *my*
handwriting anyway.
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Greg - 06 Jun 2006 21:21 GMT
> > Think professional's -need to show work to publishers and digital files
> > on CD's make sense. Customizing the art on those CD's is a big plus.
>
> For that matter, it's likely to be less dangerous to the archival life
> of the CD than a paper label, and much more legible than *my*
> handwriting anyway.

Agreed- plus paper labels run the chance of dislodging in somebodies
HD-not an ideal circumstance.  I bought a Lacie Lightscribe DVD burner a
few months back and it does OK for text only...but the discs are a lot
more expensive even than the printable ones. On the plus side the burner
is way faster than my aging PB 's drive. The R1800 feature was a plus
towards the purchase. Unfortunately the Lightscribe drive is very slow
making full scale labels-like 20+ minutes for a full disc size image.
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