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Canon 10-22mm or Sigma 10-20mm?

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Mark - 03 Jun 2006 18:09 GMT
Hi all,
I'm new to this group, having finally made the jump and sold all my
Contax/Yashica gear to fund a Canon 30D, 17-40 f/4L and 70-200 f/4L.
I'm enjoying getting to grips with all this, but I already know my next
move will be to cover the wider-angle end (I've saved my longest 35mm
lenses for the time being and can use them with an adaptor).

As you will have seen in the header, having read reviews I have
narrowed the choice to the Canon EF-S 10-22mm and the Sigma 10-20mm.
Obviously the Sigma is cheaper, even using the cash-back coupon that
came with my camera.  The thing is, some reviews say the Sigma is
really sharp, others that it isn't so sharp.  I've heard lots of good
things about the Canon, but is it worth the extra?

I'd be very grateful to hear any experiences anyone has of either lens,
especially if they too considered the same comparison.
Cheers,
Mark
Tony Hwang - 03 Jun 2006 19:56 GMT
> Hi all,
> I'm new to this group, having finally made the jump and sold all my
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> Cheers,
> Mark

Hi,
Any lens has a sweet spot. It's upto your needs. It all depends
your needs and depth of pocket. And think resale/trade-in value.
Toby - 04 Jun 2006 01:38 GMT
> Hi all,
> I'm new to this group, having finally made the jump and sold all my
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> Cheers,
> Mark

As a Nikon owner I had no choice, but I read the reviews very carefully,
including a number of good tests in Japanese mags. The Sigma is rated
equally to the Canon in those. It is actually a bit sharper overall, with
better containment of chromatic aberration at the edges, but it suffers more
from light falloff off axis.

My experiences with the Sigma have been extremely positive. Mine is *very*
sharp, all the way to the edges, although there is a bit of loss at the very
extreme edges, but not noticeable until you examine closely at 100%. I have
been pleasantly surprised at the flare resistance - even shooting into the
sun, one only gets a well contained green comet. Light falloff is noticeable
at max apertures, but is really only a problem when shooting continuous tone
objects like a field in the snow. Build quality is excellent - much better
than the cheaper Sigma lenses. I have heard that the QC on Sigmas is not as
good as with OEM lenses, but both my 10-20 and 17-70 are fine.

My experiences mirror those of the Nikonians:

http://www.nikonians.org/nikon/nikkor-12-24mm/super-wide_shootout_3.html

Obviously the Canon is also excellent, and gives you the advantage of an
extra 2 mm at the long end and 1/2 stop across the range. But the Sigma is
absolutely fine IME.

Toby
bmoag - 04 Jun 2006 03:05 GMT
Canon, Nikon and Sigma lenses in this focal range all suffer from visible
barrel distortion. Fortunately this is the least noticeable and most easily
corrected, via Photoshop or other methods, type of distortion. Chromatic
aberration is not as easy to correct as some Photoshop and plugin gurus
would have you believe and low sharpness, low contrast, flare and vignetting
at open apertures are an inherent problem with all lenses of this type. I do
not believe there is anything to gain from the higher priced Canon/Nikon
lenses in this group compared to Sigma et al. Materials, design and
manufacturing tolerances are critical to produce high quality lenses in this
focal range and Canon and Nikon are not providing that level of quality to
justify their prices. This is a true caveat emptor market sector. If you
believe PopPhoto the Pentax is the best lens in this class, but if you
believe PopPhoto then the Nikon 55-200 zoom is an excellent lens.
Rich - 04 Jun 2006 16:42 GMT
>Canon, Nikon and Sigma lenses in this focal range all suffer from visible
>barrel distortion. Fortunately this is the least noticeable and most easily
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>believe PopPhoto the Pentax is the best lens in this class, but if you
>believe PopPhoto then the Nikon 55-200 zoom is an excellent lens.

I think they said the same thing about the Tamron in that focal range.
At least it isn't 18-200.
-Rich
tomm42 - 04 Jun 2006 18:55 GMT
> Hi all,
> I'm new to this group, having finally made the jump and sold all my
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> Cheers,
> Mark

Try http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/digital-wide-zooms/comparison.htm.
Not a big KR fan but this is an unbiased review. A noted Nikon advocate
he likes the Canon lens the best out of the 4 or 5 available choices.
It seems the only lens that you wouldn't want is the Tamron, softest of
the bumch but also the lightest. A friend shot a 20D with the Canon
10-22 on Easter Island, very neet photos.
The major problem with the Sigma 10-20 is Sigma's usual absence of QC.
Some are great some are awful, there seem to be a lot of complaints
with this lens with half the frame being soft. If I were buying this
lens I'd buy it from a local dealer or a place that has good return
policies. In searching for a WA lens I have seem a lot of samples from
the Sigma and some spectacular photos, so there are good copies out
there.

Tom

Tom
Fred Anonymous - 04 Jun 2006 21:30 GMT
> Hi all,
> I'm new to this group, having finally made the jump and sold all my
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> Cheers,
> Mark

Hi Mark.

Sigma has a bit of an adverse reputuation because they do not have a licence
for the EOS mount.
They reverse engineer their lenses so that they work with current bodies.
These lenses may not work with future bodies. A friend's Sigma 500mm lens
works well with an old EOS body but does not work in all modes with her more
recent EOS 30 body.
You will also have seen postings which query the quality control at Sigma.
Postings have made comments about the mechanical and optical quality of
Sigma lenses.
My guess is that Sigma's "acceptable" quality is a lot wider than (for
example) Canon.

Finally, my friend and I have directly compared only one Canon and Sigma
lens - the 100mm macro lens (100mm in Canon, 105mm in Sigma).
One shop's salesman said the Sigma was optically and mechanically the equal
of Canon. Wedidn't find this to be true. The Sigma was slower to focus and
could all-too-easily be put partially into manual focus mode, something its
instruction leaflet warns against.

Hope this helps.

Regards,  Ian.
Mark - 06 Jun 2006 18:41 GMT
Thanks to all for your helpful replies.  I'm tending to think it might
be worth the extra for the Canon, for peace of mind.  A minor but not
irrelevant point is that I notice the Sigma zoom ring turns the
opposite direction from the Canon, and my other two Canon lenses.
Mark
My View - 10 Jun 2006 01:06 GMT
Just picked up the Sigma 10-20 and can't wait to give it a full try-out this
weekend. Have now the full range from 10mm to 300mm (ie 16mm to 480mm for my
300D). I also have the kit 18-85 Canon, 50mm Canon and the Sigma 70-300.
Would always like to have Canon lenses but their price and degree of benefit
over the Sigmas can't justify the double price. Although their plastic 50mm
is great value - almost disposable at such a low price.
With the 10-20 though, if I ever go to a full frame sensor camera then it
will either be sold with the 300D or I'll keep it all as a backup camera
kit. Either way I can now spend the difference on something else - a new bag
to carry it all perhaps, extra memory cards etc etc.
Peter

> Thanks to all for your helpful replies.  I'm tending to think it might
> be worth the extra for the Canon, for peace of mind.  A minor but not
> irrelevant point is that I notice the Sigma zoom ring turns the
> opposite direction from the Canon, and my other two Canon lenses.
> Mark
derek_c@cix.compulink.co.uk - 08 Jun 2006 23:41 GMT
> *From:* "Mark" <garlicpickle@hotmail.com>
> *Date:* 3 Jun 2006 10:09:37 -0700
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> Cheers,
> Mark

The core argument in any Canon/Sigma comparison is this: what do you
intend to do with the lens when you next change body?

If you answer "Keep it of course!" then go Canon.

The Sigma lens is always cheaper, but it is also likely to stop working
with some future body. At that point a re-chip may or may not be
available to fix it.

So if you're happy to sell the Sigma at the same time as you sell the
body and wait to be sure that the next one you buy will work with the
new camera, than fair enough.
Dmac - 09 Jun 2006 01:17 GMT
> The core argument in any Canon/Sigma comparison is this: what do you
> intend to do with the lens when you next change body?
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> body and wait to be sure that the next one you buy will work with the
> new camera, than fair enough.

That is very good advice. Temper it with the knowledge that the Sigma is
half the price of the Canon and you could well afford to sell it and buy
 another for the price of just one Canon lens.
derek_c@cix.compulink.co.uk - 11 Jun 2006 05:18 GMT
> *From:* Dmac <Dmac@this.group>
> *Date:* Fri, 09 Jun 2006 00:17:31 GMT

> That is very good advice. Temper it with the knowledge that the Sigma
> is half the price of the Canon and you could well afford to sell it
> and buy   another for the price of just one Canon lens.

Well yes, but for the same time period you could have been using a
better lens!

I have bought Sigma myself, but only when the price of the Sigma lens
was a third of that of the equivalent Canon. I don't think half price is
enough of a margin.
 
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