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Photo Forum / Digital Photography / DSLR Cameras / April 2006Mac-compatible DSLRs?
I'm about to buy an entry-level DSLR (haven't quite decided which yet), and have found it difficult to find out whether the bundled software with the cameras is Mac (OSX) compatible. Does anyone know about these: Canon EOS350D Nikon D50/D70s Olympus E-500 Pentax *ist-DL or DS  Signature-Take out Ron to reply- My games blog: http://bloggisgames.blogspot.com GT4 pics slideshow: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dr_boggis/sets/162932/show/ Dr. Boggis wrote (in article <boggissimoron-43C0A3.14304418042006@nntp.aioe.org>): > I'm about to buy an entry-level DSLR (haven't quite decided which yet), > and have found it difficult to find out whether the bundled software [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Olympus E-500 > Pentax *ist-DL or DS Does anyone actually use the bundled software? If you're using a Mac, you need a CF or SD reader (depending on camera) and Photoshop CS2. You might also spring for a third-party RAW converter depending upon your needs. It's not released as a commercial product yet, but the Adobe Lightroom beta is also a compelling offering to try out for free. SignatureRandy Howard (2reply remove FOOBAR) "The power of accurate observation is called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw > Dr. Boggis wrote > (in article [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > camera) and Photoshop CS2. You might also spring for a > third-party RAW converter depending upon your needs. Speaking only re the Canon, you don't *need* a reader, however useful they may be for 20 bucks or so. You can connect the cable to any USB port and download that way. I use Image Capture, comes with all osX Macs. You certainly don't need PS, nor the Adobe Creative Suite, again, however useful they are. Updated Mac OSes handle RAW files well, and you can do your conversions in iPhoto, or buy PS Elements- or use the Canon software; your choice. > It's not released as a commercial product yet, but the Adobe > Lightroom beta is also a compelling offering to try out for > free. Yes; you can try it for free until Adobe says no more and releases a pay-for version. Also you can get 30 day trials of both PS and Elements for the Mac. SignatureJohn McWilliams John McWilliams wrote (in article <HdSdnat_MtsDwtjZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@comcast.com>): >> Dr. Boggis wrote >> (in article [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > they may be for 20 bucks or so. You can connect the cable to any USB > port and download that way. I use Image Capture, comes with all osX Macs. Using a dedicated reader (which are dirt cheap) is MUCH faster and easier than connecting the camera to the computer via USB. Well worth it, imho. > You certainly don't need PS, nor the Adobe Creative Suite, again, > however useful they are. Updated Mac OSes handle RAW files well, That hasn't been my experience, manipulating Nikon .NEF raw files will *frequently* crash finder and/or iPhoto. It seems to do okay with small folders with a limited number of files in them. Try to drag a few hundred raw files from a CF drive to the hard drive using finder (or import via iPhoto) will crash and lock up (or restart finder) more often than not. It may be different with Canon's raw format, but I find raw file handling to be rather fragile using built-in OS X tools. Bridge never has any trouble at all however, so it's on Apple's side. > and you > can do your conversions in iPhoto, or buy PS Elements- or use the Canon > software; your choice. iPhoto isn't a serious tool. It's a toy, useful for soccer moms and point and shoot users, but since this is an SLR newsgroup, you may want to aim higher. Certainly Elements is a way to find out you wish you had purchased CS2 over time. :-) SignatureRandy Howard (2reply remove FOOBAR) "The power of accurate observation is called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw > John McWilliams wrote > (in article <HdSdnat_MtsDwtjZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@comcast.com>): [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > and easier than connecting the camera to the computer via USB. > Well worth it, imho. Worth it, imo, also. And don't come back and tell us how humble you are. But I responded to your use of the word "need". >>You certainly don't need PS, nor the Adobe Creative Suite, again, >>however useful they are. Updated Mac OSes handle RAW files well, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > the hard drive using finder (or import via iPhoto) will crash > and lock up (or restart finder) more often than not. Don't do that. Use Image Capture to bring files into Finder. > It may be different with Canon's raw format, but I find raw file > handling to be rather fragile using built-in OS X tools. Bridge > never has any trouble at all however, so it's on Apple's side. I use either Lightroom or PS CS for the most part, but have not experienced troubles with the OS. >>and you >>can do your conversions in iPhoto, or buy PS Elements- or use the Canon [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > and point and shoot users, but since this is an SLR newsgroup, > you may want to aim higher. iPhoto is well above the toy level, well below full use of PS. Signaturejohn mcwilliams > > John McWilliams wrote > > (in article <HdSdnat_MtsDwtjZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@comcast.com>): snips > >>and you > >>can do your conversions in iPhoto, or buy PS Elements- or use the Canon [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > iPhoto is well above the toy level, well below full use of PS. its fine as a file viewer at least in it's V6 incarnation. roger > If you're using a Mac, you need a CF or SD reader (depending on > camera) and Photoshop CS2. Why do you need a card reader? Can't you just download over USB, WiFi, firewire, bluetooth, or whatever else the camera supports? >> If you're using a Mac, you need a CF or SD reader (depending on >> camera) and Photoshop CS2. > > Why do you need a card reader? Can't you just download over USB, > WiFi, firewire, bluetooth, or whatever else the camera supports? Of course but then you would have to turn on your camera, with a $6 card reader you simply pop the card in the reader. Roy Smith wrote (in article <e23n5g$cpe$1@panix2.panix.com>): >> If you're using a Mac, you need a CF or SD reader (depending on >> camera) and Photoshop CS2. > > Why do you need a card reader? Can't you just download over USB, > WiFi, firewire, bluetooth, or whatever else the camera supports? Sure, if you want to spend more time, and have to tether the camera to your computer when you could be shooting pictures instead. This is especially true with multiple cards and an assistant, or even a reasonably well-trained wife. :-) SignatureRandy Howard (2reply remove FOOBAR) "The power of accurate observation is called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw >> If you're using a Mac, you need a CF or SD reader (depending on >> camera) and Photoshop CS2. >Why do you need a card reader? Can't you just download over USB, >WiFi, firewire, bluetooth, or whatever else the camera supports? That runs the (slight) chance that the camera battery will poop out in mid transfer. If a card reader is used the power comes from the computer power supply. ---- Paul J. Gans > Dr. Boggis wrote > (in article [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Does anyone actually use the bundled software? Dunno, I've never had a DSLR before! > If you're using a Mac, you need a CF or SD reader (depending on > camera) and Photoshop CS2. You might also spring for a > third-party RAW converter depending upon your needs. Why would I need a card reader? Can't it mount the card and transfer by USB? Signature-Take out Ron to reply- My games blog: http://bloggisgames.blogspot.com GT4 pics slideshow: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dr_boggis/sets/162932/show/ >> Does anyone actually use the bundled software? I do, with my Pentax (and I'm virtually certain it supports Mac). Not so much the photo browser, although on occasion it is useful. But the RAW conversion program supplied by Pentax seems to do a better job, and give more useful camera-specific control, than either of the freeware programs I've tried, and I'm not about to spend hundreds of dollars upgrading my Photoshop. > Why would I need a card reader? Can't it mount the card and transfer > by > USB? Presumably, but that's slower and uses battery power, plus as others mentioned, it ties up your camera. Deciding to spend $10 on a card reader is a no-brainer, IMHO. --------------- Marc Sabatella marc@outsideshore.com Music, art, & educational materials Featuring "A Jazz Improvisation Primer" http://www.outsideshore.com/ According to Dr. Boggis <boggissimoron@yahoo.com>: > > Dr. Boggis wrote > > (in article [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > and have found it difficult to find out whether the bundled software > > > with the cameras is Mac (OSX) compatible. Does anyone know about these: [ ... ] > > > Nikon D50/D70s Other's snipped, because this is the camera which I have. [ ... ] > > Does anyone actually use the bundled software? > > Dunno, I've never had a DSLR before! First off -- you don't *really* need the bundled software if you shoot in jpegs --as there are many programs available for almost any machine. Second -- the CD-ROM which came with the D70 contained both Windows and Mac programs -- plus some which were time-limited demo versions of more expensive programs -- at least for the Windows side. I don't know about the Mac side there. I did for a while. I used Picture Project (on Windows) to download the images (from a card reader), and then move them to my unix machines to process the images. I would occasionally work in Photoshop Elements on the Windows boxes, but preferred to work on the unix ones. But now, I've got dcraw for conversion from raw images, and "The GIMP" for processing, and I prefer that. And I have a SCSI to PCMCIA drive on the unix box, and a PCMCIA to CF card adaptor to allow me to read the card from the unix system -- since this machine is too old to have a USB port. But it works reliably for the task. Since your Mac's OS-X has a unix kernel hiding under the GUI, you can run both dcraw and The Gimp on that. You will need to install the development system (including a compiler) which is free for OS-X to compile dcraw. And you'll have to do the compile from a terminal window. I suspect that The GIMP is available already compiled for your system. And both are totally free, so you can't beat that. > > If you're using a Mac, you need a CF or SD reader (depending on > > camera) and Photoshop CS2. You might also spring for a > > third-party RAW converter depending upon your needs. If your Mac is a laptop, it has a PCMCIA (PC card) reader built into it, so the PCMCIA to CF adaptor (or PCMCIA to SD should be available as well) could be used without the USB. > Why would I need a card reader? Can't it mount the card and transfer by > USB? Not if you have a Sun Ultra-2 -- too old for USB support. And consider the additional drain on the camera's battery during the transfers -- a lot more than when the camera is turned on waiting for you to decide to focus and take another shot. Ideally, you should have an external power supply to use during such transfers. Enjoy, DoN. SignatureEmail: <dnichols@d-and-d.com> | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- Why would I need a card reader? Can't it mount the card and transfer by USB? Yes but as been said it is slow and the camera needs battery power to do the transfer. If you zone out and don't put a fresh battery in the camera before you download, you can loose pictures on the card. Happened to me with my first digital camera, have used a card reader ever since. Card readers cost, realisticly $25-30 (multiformat), every once in a while there is a deal (just got one for free from Ecost, rebate of course). You can find single format readers for around $20. Readers also run off USB power so there is no chance of loosing pics. Unless you prefer programs that file pictures for you, like IPhoto, you can structure your folders as you like. Most software that comes with cameras is useless, and very slow, Canon, Nikon, Pentax of Fuji all make great cameras and lousy SW. Photoshop Elements is a good way to start. Tom > Dr. Boggis wrote > (in article [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Does anyone actually use the bundled software? Canon's DPP is actually decent and runs on the Mac. Don't know about the other companies bundled software. Greg Signature"All my time I spent in heaven Revelries of dance and wine Waking to the sound of laughter Up I'd rise and kiss the sky" - The Mekons > Dr. Boggis wrote > (in article [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Olympus E-500 > > Pentax *ist-DL or DS Any should work fine on the mac, if they didn't card readers would get you out of it anyway, and I think many of us would recommend using the card reader most of the time for various reasons. Battery life, multiple cards, convenience. All are going to be competent SLR cameras, each have their own dedicated following, Canon & Nikon have the bulk of the market share. Personally for me the list would be the choice of the Canon, Nikon, or Pentax, but when I moved from film to digital I sold all my old Pentax to go Canon. This was partly as it was pretty much all manual focus anyway and so didn't feel tied to Pentax for the move to digital. Decide what you want to shoot, what lenses and accessories are available that suit what you want to shoot in your budget, and thirdly handle the cameras, which feels best, which falls into your hands the best, which can you get on with the menus the best and not have your nose or something pushing a button on the back changing settings while trying to take a picture, especially more important if you are left eyed. > Does anyone actually use the bundled software? I used it to set owner information etc on the Canon, beyond that I use Image Capture, always have done for all cameras. Image Capture is a great all round application for dropping pictures off various cameras and memory card readers. > If you're using a Mac, you need a CF or SD reader (depending on > camera) and Photoshop CS2. You might also spring for a > third-party RAW converter depending upon your needs. Yep, ah, I suppose raw conversion is one reason to install the factory software, but I've also got Lightroom and CS on my machine. > It's not released as a commercial product yet, but the Adobe > Lightroom beta is also a compelling offering to try out for > free. Only 'played' so far but first impressions are good, be intersting to see what price point it comes out at. As others have said iPhoto is a bit 'toy' like (in fact I hate iPhoto for various reasons though some of those have been fixed in the very latest), I do like iView Media Pro but I'd keep an eye on Lightroom before springing for iView as it does much of what iView does and more on the editing side. SignatureJon B Above email address IS valid. <http://www.bramley-computers.co.uk/> Apple Laptop Repairs. The 350D, Nikons and Olympus all come with Windows/Mac software. I don't remember the Pentax but I think it does. The only real reason to use the supplied software is if you do not have a recent version of Photoshop and so the RAW format of the camera is not supported. I often end up having to use the supplied software when I am reviewing cameras because they are often not yet supported. Actually there is one other reason to use the supplied software and that is that I have noticed with many cameras that all the camera information is not available in Adobe Bridge but is if you view the RAW file in the manufacturer's software. Thinks like custom function settings. Again for most people this is probably not an issue but I use it to pick between shots taken with and without noise reduction, for example. For image transfer I certainly prefer removing the memory card and using a card reader rather than plugging the cable into the camera. Cheers, Wayne Wayne J. Cosshall Publisher, The Digital ImageMaker, http://www.dimagemaker.com/ Blog and Podcast http://www.digitalimagemakerworld.com/ Personal art site http://www.artinyourface.com/ > The only real reason to use the supplied software is if you do not have > a recent version of Photoshop and so the RAW format of the camera is [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > it to pick between shots taken with and without noise reduction, for > example. With the Canon's, Adobe Photoshop CS2 with ACR works pretty well, but there are some things that the Canon software (Digital Photo Professional and Raw Image Task) do much better. The Canon programs allow you to set the options exactly as the camera does them so that it is easy to create the same image as the in camera jpg or just create the image as if you had changed the camera settings. Adobe has its own defaults and adjustments and doesn't replicate the camera controls exactly. The other big missing piece in CS2 ACR is the Black and White modes. The closest it has is desaturation. It doesn't have the filtering and toning options that are also camera options. Most of the time when I want to do black and white pictures, I will use the Canon software as it is much better at it. Hopefully Adobe will improve ACR further as it is faster and does many other things better such as noise reduction, good levels adjustment (although not as detailed as Canon DPP), and chromatic aberation corrections. With the Rebel XT (350D), the card reader seems only slightly faster than the camera with USB. I understand that the 300D had only USB 1.1 and was fairly slow at transferring the files. > I'm about to buy an entry-level DSLR (haven't quite decided which yet), > and have found it difficult to find out whether the bundled software [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Olympus E-500 > Pentax *ist-DL or DS The supplied Canon software is mediocre at best. You can plug the Canon in directly , but a card reader is the best bet. Don't know about the other non-Canons. Why don't you get a real computer to go with your camera? Realize that Apple is abandoning the OSX platform, for which there is available some good software. However if you buy into Mactel you are going to have to dual boot to Windows as there is still no native software, or drivers, to actually use your very expensive new toy with. > Why don't you get a real computer to go with your camera? > Realize that Apple is abandoning the OSX platform, for which there is > available some good software. > However if you buy into Mactel you are going to have to dual boot to Windows > as there is still no native software, or drivers, to actually use your very > expensive new toy with. Oh please. That's just not true. >>Why don't you get a real computer to go with your camera? >>Realize that Apple is abandoning the OSX platform, for which there is [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Oh please. That's just not true. The anonymous "bmoag", while often reasoanable and even helpful in other capacities, has made himself a wee troll when the Macintosh is mentioned. SignatureJohn McWilliams > Why don't you get a real computer to go with your camera? > Realize that Apple is abandoning the OSX platform, for which there is > available some good software. > However if you buy into Mactel you are going to have to dual boot to Windows > as there is still no native software, or drivers, to actually use your very > expensive new toy with. *cough* bullshit Mr. bmag is 100.0% in error! Apple is not abandoning the Mac OS. The ONLY reason for migrating to a Intel chip has to do with heat. Mr. bmoag obviously has never used a Mac computer. Do get a card reader. Why chew up the batteries in your camera? Lexar has come out with a new Compact Flash reader, RW024, that runs over Fire Wire which is superior to USB. It is very fast, especially if you have a 2 or 4G card full of files. All of the more popular camera manufacturers write software for both Windows and Mac OS X. However, I have used them only briefly. For serious image manipulation, Adobe's Photoshop is all the software you will need to start to process any file from any of the cameras listed, including camera RAW. Gene VP, Main Line Macintosh Users Group > Why don't you get a real computer to go with your camera? > Realize that Apple is abandoning the OSX platform, for which there is > available some good software. > However if you buy into Mactel you are going to have to dual boot to Windows > as there is still no native software, or drivers, to actually use your very > expensive new toy with. You are stupid, or a liar, or both. SignatureOne is always considered mad when one perfects something that others can not grasp. - Ed Wood >Why don't you get a real computer to go with your camera? >Realize that Apple is abandoning the OSX platform, for which there is >available some good software. >However if you buy into Mactel you are going to have to dual boot to Windows >as there is still no native software, or drivers, to actually use your very >expensive new toy with. If you must post nonsense to the internet, you could at least mark it nonsense. ---- Paul J. Gans > I'm about to buy an entry-level DSLR (haven't quite decided which yet), > and have found it difficult to find out whether the bundled software [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Olympus E-500 > Pentax *ist-DL or DS I use a Mac with my Canon 350D. The bundled software works fine but I don't tend to use it much. For uploading I have a FireWire cardreader. Sucks up a gigabyte in a minute or so. A mate uses a Mac with his D2X, he only shoots RAW. www.macattack.com.au > I'm about to buy an entry-level DSLR (haven't quite decided which yet), > and have found it difficult to find out whether the bundled software [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Olympus E-500 > Pentax *ist-DL or DS > I'm about to buy an entry-level DSLR (haven't quite decided which yet), > and have found it difficult to find out whether the bundled software [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Olympus E-500 > Pentax *ist-DL or DS Hi Doc, The Pentax software works fine on OSX (I have a DS). Dave SignatureThere's a fine line between stupid and clever. > I'm about to buy an entry-level DSLR (haven't quite decided which yet), > and have found it difficult to find out whether the bundled software [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Olympus E-500 > Pentax *ist-DL or DS Dr., I have a Pentax istDS and it works fine with OSX. However, if you use iPhoto you'll find the Pentax PEF files are not supported, at least not yet (Aperture now lists the istD as a supported camera so maybe that will change). This is not a big deal for me at all. When shooting JPEG the camera mounts and imports into iPhoto just fine. I seldom use the bundled Pentax software. It's very slow and not much fun to use but it does work. I use PS Elements 3 for now and it's File Browser works nicely and supports PEF files with a free plugin from Adobe. I haven't purchased a card reader yet so I transfer straight from the camera. It does use up the batteries but I use Powerex rechargeable AAs anyway so I don't care (nice feature of Pentax is the use of AA batteries). By the way, I couldn't be happier with my DS. SignatureOne is always considered mad when one perfects something that others can not grasp. - Ed Wood In article <donkiyoti-728001.13463019042006@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>, > By the way, I couldn't be happier with my DS. Gah, I've pretty much decided on the D50 now, I don't need any more confusion! ;-) Thanks for the comments though. Signature-Take out Ron to reply- My games blog: http://bloggisgames.blogspot.com GT4 pics slideshow: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dr_boggis/sets/162932/show/ > In article > <donkiyoti-728001.13463019042006@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Gah, I've pretty much decided on the D50 now, I don't need any more > confusion! ;-) You will find some features missing from the D50 that are available on the DS. > > In article > > <donkiyoti-728001.13463019042006@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > You will find some features missing from the D50 that are available on the > DS. Ignore the brand wars people, get the canon ;) Nah seriously, pick what you are happy with, any of the Canon, Nikon, Pentax etc are going to keep us amatuers more than happy, pick something you like, handles well for you, go take pictures, enjoy. The Nikon kit lenses in that price bracket are meant to be better. I've gone Canon so I'm not switching now, but at the price, starting fresh today I'd be hard pressed not to walk out the shop with the D50. SignatureJon B Above email address IS valid. <http://www.bramley-computers.co.uk/> Apple Laptop Repairs. > I'm about to buy an entry-level DSLR (haven't quite decided which yet), > and have found it difficult to find out whether the bundled software > with the cameras is Mac (OSX) compatible. Does anyone know about these: > > Canon EOS350D I bought the Canon 20D about 16-months ago. The Rebel XT (350D) uses the same image processor, DiGiCII. My camera came bundled with a "fully-functioning" copy of Photoshop Elements 2. I still use it. All the other bundled stuff works just fine on my G4 Mac (see sig below). I promptly bought a CF card reader. It was cheap and strikes me as a better method for downloading from the card than, if nothing else, wearing-out the USB port on the camera. A card reader isn't necessary but I prefer it, having downloaded from the card using BOTH methods. iPhoto 6 (a part of iLife 06) is FAR from being "a toy". I'm sure it doesn't have nearly the capabilities of Apple's new Aperture or Adobe's Lightroom but, for $80, it's worth it for me. The other applications (GarageBand, iMovie, iDVD, etc) are just extra for me. Good luck. Get the Canon! Signature:) JR PowerMac G4 MDD 1.25 SP Mac OS X 10.4.6 > > I'm about to buy an entry-level DSLR (haven't quite decided which yet), > > and have found it difficult to find out whether the bundled software [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > for $80, it's worth it for me. The other applications (GarageBand, iMovie, > iDVD, etc) are just extra for me. iPhoto 6 is meant to be much improved, but some of us got fed up from the all the previous versions being so poor and gave up. I last tried iPhoto 05 and when it was crawling at 5000 pictures, went back to using finder, preview, graphic converter and photoshop [1]. Before iPhoto06 came out I looked at iView Media which you can have for £30 (I went for pro which is pricier) and in my mind is much much better than the previous versions of iPhoto. Personal mileage may vary and all that, I know plenty who are happy with iPhoto, I'm just in the list of those who don't. [1] I've actually got CS but most cameras come with the suitably good elements anyway [2] [2] Before anyone starts if you are going to be happy with iPhoto, elements is going to be more than adequate. SignatureJon B Above email address IS valid. <http://www.bramley-computers.co.uk/> Apple Laptop Repairs. > I'm about to buy an entry-level DSLR (haven't quite decided which yet), > and have found it difficult to find out whether the bundled software > with the cameras is Mac (OSX) compatible. Does anyone know about these: > > Canon EOS350D > Nikon D50/D70s Nikon software is all OS X compatible. It is also terrible. The Windows version is terrible, too. But you do not have to use the bundled software. Nikon's Capture costs extra and runs on both Windows and Mac. The current version is terrible, but Capture NX is supposed to be better. Just use a card reader and iPhoto no matter which DSLR you get. > > I'm about to buy an entry-level DSLR (haven't quite decided which yet), > > and have found it difficult to find out whether the bundled software [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > The current version is terrible, but Capture NX is supposed to be > better. Just use a card reader and iPhoto no matter which DSLR you get. I can't exactly testify to Nikon's software being terrible; but I haven't bothered loading what came with my D200 onto my computer yet. 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