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Photo Forum / Digital Photography / DSLR Cameras / April 2006Nikon D70 / D200 with 1998 Nikkor Lens
Hi Group, I am finally going to make the jump from APS (Nikon Proena 600i) to Digital and I am looking at either the Nikon D70 or the D200 bodies. Basically the prices I am paying for prints will cover the camera body over a two year s(D200), so I am reviewing the lens range and the costs. I have numerous lens such as the AF ED 70-300mm f/4-f/5.6D. To use either the D70 or D200 do I need an adapter to use this lens. The reason I ask is I asked two reseller and one said yes the other said no. BTW, what is this lens like at 300mm on the D70 or D200? I have searched Nikons web site and I cannot find an answer to such a basic question. I know that all the IX lens will not work, so I am up for the cost in this range. But I see as a chance to upgrade. Thanks Mark > I have numerous lens such as the AF ED 70-300mm f/4-f/5.6D. To use > either the D70 or D200 do I need an adapter to use this lens. The > reason I ask is I asked two reseller and one said yes the other said > no. If that is the same 70-300ED that is available today then, yes it will work fine. > BTW, what is this lens like at 300mm on the D70 or D200? Nothing to write home about. :-) I would call it "fair" at f8 to f11. Others will no doubt have different opinions. -Mike > > I have numerous lens such as the AF ED 70-300mm f/4-f/5.6D. To use > > either the D70 or D200 do I need an adapter to use this lens. The [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > -Mike AFAIK, _any_ Nikon AF lens will work on the D70.  SignatureRegards, Matt Clara www.mattclara.com >I have numerous lens such as the AF ED 70-300mm f/4-f/5.6D. To use >either the D70 or D200 do I need an adapter to use this lens. The [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >I have searched Nikons web site and I cannot find an answer to such a >basic question. http://support.nikontech.com/cgi-bin/nikonusa.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqi d=13825&p_created=1136830321&p_sid=Tpl*El5i&p_accessibility=0&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcm NoPSZwX3NvcnRfYnk9JnBfZ3JpZHNvcnQ9JnBfcm93X2NudD02MCZwX3Byb2RzPTE5LDIxNyZwX2NhdH M9fmFueX4mcF9wdj0yLjIxNyZwX2N2PTEufmFueX4mcF9zZWFyY2hfdHlwZT1hbnN3ZXJzLnNlYXJjaF 9ubCZwX3BhZ2U9Mw**&p_li=&p_topview=1 -- Ed Ruf Lifetime AMA# 344007 (Usenet2@EdwardG.Ruf.com) http://EdwardGRuf.com > Hi Group, > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Mark From my own personal experience I won't get into now, don't settle for the D70s as I did. Get the way better camera and you won't kick yourself like I am doing. Keith ilaab wrote (in article <8O91g.61214$F_3.53057@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net>): > From my own personal experience I won't get into now, don't settle for the > D70s as I did. Get the way better camera and you won't kick yourself like I > am doing. I'd like to hear why you are "kicking yourself" over it. SignatureRandy Howard (2reply remove FOOBAR) "The power of accurate observation is called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw > ilaab wrote > (in article <8O91g.61214$F_3.53057@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net>): [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I'd like to hear why you are "kicking yourself" over it. > Randy Howard (2reply remove FOOBAR) > "The power of accurate observation is called cynicism by those > who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw Because I know me and I settled. My grandmother told me that I would be wasting my money settling for something lesser if what I could get what I really desired. Of course that meant within reason. She knew I would not be happy and would eventually get my first choice which would in turn, cost the additional expense. I would love to have a D2X but that is not reasonable because of my income...and wife. I really wanted the D200 but didn't want to wait for its release(I ordered my D70s in December 2005). I reasoned that I would get the lesser camera and put more into lenses. So therefore, I'm "kicking myself" because I knew better. Also, I didn't realize the D70s only went down to 200 ISO. If Mrs. Moneybags allows, I will attempt a D200 next year. Keith ilaab wrote (in article <Mxb1g.48362$_S7.9730@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>): >> ilaab wrote >> (in article <8O91g.61214$F_3.53057@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net>): [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> "The power of accurate observation is called cynicism by those >> who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw FYI, you're newsreader is broken, it's supposed to trip signatures. Instead, it seems to have cropped out the delimiter itself, namely the "-- " on a line by itself. > Because I know me and I settled. My grandmother told me that I would be > wasting my money settling for something lesser if what I could get what I > really desired. Of course that meant within reason. She knew I would not be > happy and would eventually get my first choice which would in turn, cost the > additional expense. In general it is cheaper to buy the best product available and buy it once rather than buy it plus a cheaper "mistake". However, you don't bother to tell us what the critical flaw is in the D70s that makes it a mistake. > I would love to have a D2X but that is not reasonable > because of my income...and wife. SWMBO, yes. > I really wanted the D200 but didn't want > to wait for its release(I ordered my D70s in December 2005). I reasoned > that I would get the lesser camera and put more into lenses. Not a bad approach, actually. > So therefore, I'm "kicking myself" because I knew better. Also, I didn't > realize the D70s only went down to 200 ISO. You find something wrong with shooting at 200 instead of 100? It's not like there is a lot of noise in the image taken at 200. You better have a good tripod in that limited budget if ISO 100 vs. 200 is enough to make you upset. Is that the only thing? Apart from that, you haven't mentioned anything else technical in nature that would make you kick yourself over the purchase. > If Mrs. Moneybags allows, I will attempt a D200 next year. At least we know who wears the pants. :-) SignatureRandy Howard (2reply remove FOOBAR) "The power of accurate observation is called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw >ilaab wrote >(in article <Mxb1g.48362$_S7.9730@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>): >> So therefore, I'm "kicking myself" because I knew better. Also, I didn't >> realize the D70s only went down to 200 ISO. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > You better have a good tripod in that limited budget if ISO 100 >vs. 200 is enough to make you upset. The bigger problem I see is spending the $$ on something and not even knowing one of the most basic specifications that one deems important. -- Ed Ruf Lifetime AMA# 344007 (Usenet2@EdwardG.Ruf.com) http://EdwardGRuf.com >In general it is cheaper to buy the best product available and >buy it once rather than buy it plus a cheaper "mistake". >However, you don't bother to tell us what the critical flaw is >in the D70s that makes it a mistake. Maybe in general, but not always. I remember some years back in rec.photo.digital people would post asking how to get their pictures into the computer. The response was always go buy a card reader. At that time the Sandisk Imagemate was around $30. But one fellow would always pipe up and argue that you should buy a muiti-card reader, even though you didn't need it at the time. They were around $80. Now those were all USB 1, and slow, so those buying more than they needed wasted their money. Multi-card readers with USB 2 can now be had for $12 or so. Don <www.donwiss.com/pictures/> (e-mail link at page bottoms). Don Wiss wrote (in article <dbsa429ei2vf9a6usdjie0ubgff9fecerg@4ax.com>): >> In general it is cheaper to buy the best product available and >> buy it once rather than buy it plus a cheaper "mistake". [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > slow, so those buying more than they needed wasted their money. Multi-card > readers with USB 2 can now be had for $12 or so. You are changing the discussion by introducing time, and the resultant price compression. You can (almost) always find better products at equal or better prices later in time, especially when the time is "some years back". I'm personally not into "future proofing" for things I don't currently and might not ever need, so I won't defend the guy recommending the combo reader years ago. Instead, I tend to buy the very best example of a product family that I want today, and then I don't waste time feeling bad about it when something better comes along down the road. SignatureRandy Howard (2reply remove FOOBAR) "The power of accurate observation is called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw >>> From my own personal experience I won't get into now, don't settle for >>> the D70s as I did. Get the way better camera and you won't kick yourself like [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >to wait for its release(I ordered my D70s in December 2005). I reasoned >that I would get the lesser camera and put more into lenses. That's a smart move, in my opinion. Too often I hear that people think they need the latest and greatest body, but continue to use average glass instead of spending more on the lenses where it really counts. > So therefore, >I'm "kicking myself" because I knew better. Also, I didn't realize the D70s >only went down to 200 ISO. The D70s image quality at 200 is just fine. High ISO can be noisy, but the D200 suffers from noise just like any digital camera. The key is to always shoot at the lowest default ISO setting whenever possible. I think people make too big of a deal about noise levels. I've used my friend's D70s and compared images made side by side to ones taken with my Canon XT, and at anything below 400 the images are comparable for noise. In some cases the noise is a bit higher on the D70s, but it's really only noticeable when viewed on screen at 100% - 8x10 prints look great and no one can tell the difference. I'd be just as happy with the performance from either Canon or Nikon. Having said that, if high ISO (800-3200) is a major part of your shooting requirements, say for sports action at dusk, then definitely go with Canon. Everyone else will be happy with either choice. My 2 cents...er, make that 1 penny...darn inflation... >>>> From my own personal experience I won't get into now, don't settle for >>>> the D70s as I did. Get the way better camera and you won't kick [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > body, but continue to use average glass instead of spending more on the > lenses where it really counts. It was a much smarter move in the realm of film. With DSLRs, the difference in sensor quality, sensitivity and MP output can make a difference, and a big one at that, depending on your needs, and the more expensive cameras tend to have better sensors. Still, if someone spends $4000 on a 5D and then asks which kit lens they should get with it, well, we're all gonna laugh at that, aren't we!? (And who could blame us!) SignatureRegards, Matt Clara www.mattclara.com > It was a much smarter move in the realm of film. With DSLRs, the difference > in sensor quality, sensitivity and MP output can make a difference, and a > big one at that, depending on your needs, and the more expensive cameras > tend to have better sensors. Still, if someone spends $4000 on a 5D and > then asks which kit lens they should get with it, well, we're all gonna > laugh at that, aren't we!? (And who could blame us!) I guess that depends upon the kit lens. I have seen many places selling the Nikkor 18-70mm DX AF-S ED lens with the Nikon D200. It is a kit lens, but it is a worthy one. A kit lens is what exactly? SignatureThomas T. Veldhouse Key Fingerprint: 2DB9 813F F510 82C2 E1AE 34D0 D69D 1EDC D5EC AED1 >>> I really wanted the D200 but didn't want >>>to wait for its release(I ordered my D70s in December 2005). I reasoned [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >big one at that, depending on your needs, and the more expensive cameras >tend to have better sensors. Unless you specifically need more MP (greatly over emphasized) for cropping or fine resolution of tiny details, the sensitivity and quality has improved dramatically across the entire range of cameras over the last few years, so it's not always needed. Take the D50 or Rebel XT for example - they both perform as good or better than their bigger and more expensive siblings. The difference in price is mostly features, not sensor image quality. A pro would opt for the higher end models because they need the extra control dials for faster access, weather seals for use in the rain, PC sync, more control over finer settings, mechanical durability, etc. The pure ability to take a good picture under most shooting conditions is virtually identical with any of the various models, within reason of course. That's why I bought a Canon XT instead of a 20D or 1Ds. I opted to spend my money on good glass so I could get better images. I can afford to buy the 5D today, but I just don't see the need to spend all that money when my little XT produces excellent results for what I need. Either way, you need to buy the right tools for the job. > Still, if someone spends $4000 on a 5D and >then asks which kit lens they should get with it, well, we're all gonna >laugh at that, aren't we!? (And who could blame us!) The same holds true for someone spending $2000, or $1000. The image quality of sensors started to reach the curve of diminishing returns a few years ago with the first Canon digital Rebel, and has been smoothing out ever since. I seriously doubt image quality will improve much over the next few years. Instead we'll see prices drop and megapixel counts climb as production techniques continue to improve - similar to how computer processors changed over the years. >>>> I really wanted the D200 but didn't want >>>>to wait for its release(I ordered my D70s in December 2005). I reasoned [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > production techniques continue to improve - similar to how computer > processors changed over the years. Still, Bill, it is more of an issue now than it was/is in the world of film slrs, and that's my point. Not that it's a point with any bearing. Though I still shoot some 35mm, it's increasingly passé. SignatureRegards, Matt Clara www.mattclara.com >Still, Bill, it is more of an issue now than it was/is in the world of film >slrs, and that's my point. Not that it's a point with any bearing. Though >I still shoot some 35mm, it's increasingly passé. What is "35mm" anyway? Is it a new digital format? :-) According to ilaab <ilaab@sbcglobal.net>: [ ... ] > Because I know me and I settled. My grandmother told me that I would be > wasting my money settling for something lesser if what I could get what I [ ... ] > I would love to have a D2X but that is not reasonable > because of my income...and wife. Ditto. > I really wanted the D200 but didn't want > to wait for its release(I ordered my D70s in December 2005). Well ... when I got *my* D70, the alternative (in my budget range) was the D100, and looking at the specs of the two, I found the D70 to be the better choice -- for less money. I am now very tempted by the D200, and just handled one at the local photo store yesterday. I like several of its features, and may wind up springing for it. But in the meanwhile, I've taken *lots* of photos with the D70 -- which I would never have been able to take if I had known the D200 was going to eventually come out, and decided to wait for it. Now -- you already had the D200 as an option -- albeit with some wait factor involved -- so you got to decide whether to wait for a known product, or to buy what was available already. Enjoy, DoN. SignatureEmail: <dnichols@d-and-d.com> | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- > According to ilaab <ilaab@sbcglobal.net>: > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > Enjoy, > DoN. I use my D70s mostly for nature photography, mainly wild birds. Being out in the field in sand storm conditions, climbing up and down rocky hills and so on are what I believe the D200 out performs the D70s. I just gave my 2 cents on this post because I don't want anyone else going through hell like me. Get the decidedly better camera if it is in reach. Keith > I am finally going to make the jump from APS (Nikon Proena 600i) to > Digital and I am looking at either the Nikon D70 or the D200 bodies. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I have searched Nikons web site and I cannot find an answer to such a > basic question. I'd expect it to say that the cameras support AF lenses; that's an AF lens. End of question. Do they really not? I wouldn't expect a detailed list of lenses -- that's pointless, too much detail, would cause confusion. I'm using lenses back to some AI lenses I bought in 1981. I've also used them on a Nikon F body that I believe goes back to 1964 (I've had it much less long than that). Nikon preserved lens compatibility both forward and backwards when they introduced autofocus. Do you have AI or AIS lenses (manual focus)? The big difference there is that the D200 will meter, including matrix and programmed exposure, with them, whereas the D70 will not (they're still pretty useful on the D70, though; guessing exposure and taking a test shot, correcting as needed, works for all but the fastest events in fast-changing lighting). SignatureDavid Dyer-Bennet, <mailto:dd-b@dd-b.net>, <http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/> RKBA: <http://www.dd-b.net/carry/> Pics: <http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/> <http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/> Dragaera/Steven Brust: <http://dragaera.info/> According to David Dyer-Bennet <dd-b@dd-b.net>: > > I am finally going to make the jump from APS (Nikon Proena 600i) to > > Digital and I am looking at either the Nikon D70 or the D200 bodies. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > detailed list of lenses -- that's pointless, too much detail, would > cause confusion. In particular, the manual for the D70 (which is what I have) lists a very few lenses which will *not* work -- such as the older fisheye lenses which will interfere with the mirror, as there is no way to lock it up for photographs -- just for sensor cleaning in the D70. I don't know about the D200, but I'll bet that there is a chart saying which lenses it will *not* work with. > I'm using lenses back to some AI lenses I bought in 1981. I've also > used them on a Nikon F body that I believe goes back to 1964 (I've had > it much less long than that). Nikon preserved lens compatibility both > forward and backwards when they introduced autofocus. Agreed. > Do you have AI or AIS lenses (manual focus)? The big difference there > is that the D200 will meter, including matrix and programmed exposure, > with them, whereas the D70 will not (they're still pretty useful on > the D70, though; guessing exposure and taking a test shot, correcting > as needed, works for all but the fastest events in fast-changing > lighting). Also agreed. And -- if you have an old hand-held meter, you can eliminate that test shot --though if you have time, it is a good idea anyway, to allow you to tune out exposure problems which are not obvious until you see the first shot. Enjoy, DoN. SignatureEmail: <dnichols@d-and-d.com> | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- > According to David Dyer-Bennet <dd-b@dd-b.net>: > > Do you have AI or AIS lenses (manual focus)? The big difference there > > is that the D200 will meter, including matrix and programmed exposure, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > anyway, to allow you to tune out exposure problems which are not obvious > until you see the first shot. My handheld meter was even still in the camera bag until very recently -- but I find taking the test shot *faster* than using the meter (Gossen Luna Pro F). SignatureDavid Dyer-Bennet, <mailto:dd-b@dd-b.net>, <http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/> RKBA: <http://www.dd-b.net/carry/> Pics: <http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/> <http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/> Dragaera/Steven Brust: <http://dragaera.info/> |
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