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The most obnoxious thing with the D200 is...

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Don Wiss - 15 Apr 2006 20:23 GMT
...the strap. It has a big Nikon D200 on each side of it. Now I'd rather
not be at a parade and blatantly advertising that I have a better camera
than you.

Maybe it can be scraped off?

Don <www.donwiss.com/pictures/> (e-mail link at page bottoms).
Pentax Fan - 15 Apr 2006 20:25 GMT
> ...the strap. It has a big Nikon D200 on each side of it. Now I'd rather
> not be at a parade and blatantly advertising that I have a better camera
> than you.

Well, that's the D200 for you - always making lots of noise.
JTS Brown - 15 Apr 2006 20:26 GMT
> ...the strap. It has a big Nikon D200 on each side of it. Now I'd rather
> not be at a parade and blatantly advertising that I have a better camera
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Don <www.donwiss.com/pictures/> (e-mail link at page bottoms).

Here's an idea--buy another strap.
tomm42 - 15 Apr 2006 21:40 GMT
I'm using a strap from a Contax camera I use on a medical camera. Nice
3/4 inch heavy nylon, black, no graphics.

Tom
Randy Howard - 15 Apr 2006 21:42 GMT
Don Wiss wrote
(in article <iph2425bdb4tbptea6v1ahd8aeg7qpho2u@4ax.com>):

> ...the strap. It has a big Nikon D200 on each side of it. Now I'd rather
> not be at a parade and blatantly advertising that I have a better camera
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Don <www.donwiss.com/pictures/> (e-mail link at page bottoms).

For about $10 you can have a camera strap that blatantly says "I
have a camera for which I am now too poor to buy a good camera
strap".  :-)

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Pete D - 15 Apr 2006 22:16 GMT
Sounds like time for a black marker pen!!

> ...the strap. It has a big Nikon D200 on each side of it. Now I'd rather
> not be at a parade and blatantly advertising that I have a better camera
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Don <www.donwiss.com/pictures/> (e-mail link at page bottoms).
Bill - 15 Apr 2006 22:48 GMT
>...the strap. It has a big Nikon D200 on each side of it. Now I'd rather
>not be at a parade and blatantly advertising that I have a better camera
>than you.
>
>Maybe it can be scraped off?

Maybe...but why not just buy another strap if it irritates you?

My strap has the Canon brand on it, and I don't really care to advertise
either, but it was "free" with the camera and I don't really care to
spend money on a new strap.

:-/

If you really want to stir up the fun, buy a Canon strap for your D200!!

:-)
Jeremy Nixon - 15 Apr 2006 23:01 GMT
> ...the strap. It has a big Nikon D200 on each side of it. Now I'd rather
> not be at a parade and blatantly advertising that I have a better camera
> than you.
>
> Maybe it can be scraped off?

It can be replaced.

My problem with camera straps is that I apparently like them longer than
anyone else.  Of all the straps for sale at B&H, not a single one is as
long as I want.  I'm using a strap that came with a camera backpack, and
it's long enough and non-obnoxious.

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Darrell Larose - 15 Apr 2006 23:48 GMT
> ...the strap. It has a big Nikon D200 on each side of it. Now I'd rather
> not be at a parade and blatantly advertising that I have a better camera
> than you.
>
> Maybe it can be scraped off?

Buy a Domke "Gripper" strap, it's a better strap than the OEM one. And it
doesn't  show up six blocks away...
Don Wiss - 16 Apr 2006 00:19 GMT
>...the strap. It has a big Nikon D200 on each side of it. Now I'd rather
>not be at a parade and blatantly advertising that I have a better camera
>than you.
>
>Maybe it can be scraped off?

I was hoping someone would post with their experience at having tried to
peel it off. Since no one did, and I kind of like the strap, I tried
myself. The D200 does peel off without too much effort. You have to pick it
off little bit by little bit. And no residue is left behind. The Nikon
would be harder to peel off, but I don't mind that one as much.

The D is harder to get off than the 200. So when I do the second side I may
leave the D. A tweezers didn't seem to be better than the fingernails.

Don <www.donwiss.com/pictures/> (e-mail link at page bottoms).
Don Wiss - 16 Apr 2006 00:44 GMT
>>Maybe it can be scraped off?
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>The D is harder to get off than the 200. So when I do the second side I may
>leave the D. A tweezers didn't seem to be better than the fingernails.

With practice it gets faster. It took nine minutes to do the other side.
Five for the 200, and four for the D. If you want to do this, you want to
do the picking in the direction of the length of the strap. That way you
are picking in the direction of the threads. And you can be aggressive.
After you are done there will be no evidence that the D200 was previously
there.

Don <www.donwiss.com/pictures/> (e-mail link at page bottoms).
ian lincoln - 17 Apr 2006 12:21 GMT
>>>Maybe it can be scraped off?
>>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> After you are done there will be no evidence that the D200 was previously
> there.

dude you have way too much time on your hands :P
Frank ess - 17 Apr 2006 21:58 GMT
>>>> Maybe it can be scraped off?
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>>
> dude you have way too much time on your hands :P

I began removing the yellow "NIKON" embroidered on one of their wide
black Nylon straps. Now it says "NIKOI". That's a lot of work. I
blacked out the remainder with a Sharpie. Now it says "NIKOI" in dark
yellow.

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LCD - 16 Apr 2006 01:03 GMT
> ...the strap. It has a big Nikon D200 on each side of it. Now I'd rather
> not be at a parade and blatantly advertising that I have a better camera
> than you.
>
> Maybe it can be scraped off?

You obviously mean scrapped. Definitely, scrap that loud noisy doorstop
dslr. Get a 'real' camera, a man's camera instead of that puff's dslr. Get a
5D. Don't forget to ask for a "Canon EOS 5D".

> Don <www.donwiss.com/pictures/> (e-mail link at page bottoms).
Pete D - 16 Apr 2006 14:13 GMT
>> ...the strap. It has a big Nikon D200 on each side of it. Now I'd rather
>> not be at a parade and blatantly advertising that I have a better camera
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> dslr. Get a 'real' camera, a man's camera instead of that puff's dslr. Get
> a 5D. Don't forget to ask for a "Canon EOS 5D".

Mate, that was about the third most intelligent thing said in this group all
day, give yourself a cigar.
Rita Ä Berkowitz - 16 Apr 2006 14:27 GMT
>> You obviously mean scrapped. Definitely, scrap that loud noisy
>> doorstop dslr. Get a 'real' camera, a man's camera instead of that
>> puff's dslr. Get a 5D. Don't forget to ask for a "Canon EOS 5D".
>
> Mate, that was about the third most intelligent thing said in this
> group all day, give yourself a cigar.

While we all agree that the 5D is an exceptionally great camera, the only
problem we have with it is Canon has as of yet been able to produce a
quality piece of glass that is able to take full advantage of the 5D's
awesome FF sensor.  If I recall, someone makes an adapter that will allow
Nikon lenses to be used on the 5D with limited functionality?  If this is
the case, the lens that set the standard for quality, the Nikon 17-35mm
f/2.8 AF-D, should be mated with the 5D for unbeatable optical performance.
Someone really needs to come out with an adapter that will allow full
functionality of Nikon lenses on Canon bodies.

Rita
John A. Stovall - 16 Apr 2006 15:30 GMT
>>> You obviously mean scrapped. Definitely, scrap that loud noisy
>>> doorstop dslr. Get a 'real' camera, a man's camera instead of that
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>Someone really needs to come out with an adapter that will allow full
>functionality of Nikon lenses on Canon bodies.

Absolute and total BS.

The 135L, the 35L and the 400mm f/5.6L take full advantage of the
sensor.

Do you actual shoot with a 5D and any L glass?

Beside if you want really super glass for a Canon full frame sensor
you will get Leica or Zeiss and not bother with Nikon.

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Rich - 17 Apr 2006 01:05 GMT
>>>> You obviously mean scrapped. Definitely, scrap that loud noisy
>>>> doorstop dslr. Get a 'real' camera, a man's camera instead of that
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>Beside if you want really super glass for a Canon full frame sensor
>you will get Leica or Zeiss and not bother with Nikon.

According to people who seem to have fun buying 10 pieces of
things like the 21 or 24mm Olympus OM SLR lens and testing them all,
it is possible to get examples that are almost as good as Leica
lenses.  At least that is what some of them have said.
I would assume the Nikon lenses would be the same.
When people talk about good WA lenses to compliment their
FF Canons they talk about most major WA primes as candidates,
except for Canon.  
Pete D - 17 Apr 2006 01:12 GMT
>>>> You obviously mean scrapped. Definitely, scrap that loud noisy
>>>> doorstop dslr. Get a 'real' camera, a man's camera instead of that
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> Beside if you want really super glass for a Canon full frame sensor
> you will get Leica or Zeiss and not bother with Nikon.

Yeah, like what do you think people are using on their Canon 1Ds, etc, coke
bottles??
Alan Browne - 16 Apr 2006 16:22 GMT
>>> You obviously mean scrapped. Definitely, scrap that loud noisy
>>> doorstop dslr. Get a 'real' camera, a man's camera instead of that
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> Someone really needs to come out with an adapter that will allow full
> functionality of Nikon lenses on Canon bodies.

Canon make a variety of lenses that outshine their Nikon counterparts.
These include (and are not limited to) the 85 f/1.2 (over the Nikon
f/1.4), 135 f/2.8, 28-70 f/2.8 and 80-200 f/2.8 to name a very few.

These lenses will beat their Nikon counterpart everytime.

In each camera system lens sets there are winners, contenders and dogs;
Nikon is no exception.  The talent isn't in buying the label but in
selecting the right lenses.

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Randy Howard - 16 Apr 2006 17:10 GMT
Alan Browne wrote
(in article <e1tnfs$f7f$1@inews.gazeta.pl>):

> Canon make a variety of lenses that outshine their Nikon counterparts.

And vice versa.

> These include (and are not limited to) the 85 f/1.2 (over the Nikon
> f/1.4),

It's not *all* about speed.  The Nikon 85f/1.4 is one of the
finest lenses is an outstanding lens.  Arguably better on 35mm
than sub-frame digital, but still a fantastic lens.  In order to
claim the Canon variant "outshines" it would require the Canon
to walk on water and they pay you take it off their hands.
> 135 f/2.8, 28-70 f/2.8 and 80-200 f/2.8 to name a very few.

I dunno, I have zero to complain about with the 80-200 AF-S in
my bag.

> These lenses will beat their Nikon counterpart everytime.

Why?  Those addicted to IS/VR are the only ones likely to have a
legitimate dog in this fight.

> In each camera system lens sets there are winners, contenders and dogs;
> Nikon is no exception.  

True.  The 24-120 "consumer zoom" is an absolute dog.  But, they
don't pretend otherwise.  If you stick with the pro lenses in
either you'll be very well served in general.

> The talent isn't in buying the label but in
> selecting the right lenses.

True enough.

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Alan Browne - 16 Apr 2006 17:33 GMT
> Alan Browne wrote
> (in article <e1tnfs$f7f$1@inews.gazeta.pl>):
>
>>Canon make a variety of lenses that outshine their Nikon counterparts.
>
> And vice versa.

Already said.

>>These include (and are not limited to) the 85 f/1.2 (over the Nikon
>>f/1.4),
>
> It's not *all* about speed.  The Nikon 85f/1.4 is one of the
> finest lenses is an outstanding lens.  

Since Canon do not make a f/1.4 85mm, it is the point of comparison.
The f/1.2 (surprisingly) is a bit sharper than the Nikon f/1.4 (at least
with both stoped down a few stops; wide open the Nikon is most likely
sharper than the Canon wide open).

I never said it was all about speed (with or without "*").

Arguably better on 35mm
> than sub-frame digital, but still a fantastic lens.  In order to
> claim the Canon variant "outshines" it would require the Canon
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> I dunno, I have zero to complain about with the 80-200 AF-S in
> my bag.

I never said you should.  Rita's ignorant assumption that Nikon means
best of all lenses regardless of specific lens types is silly, strike
that, annoying.

The basic fact is that the 80-200 Canon is slightly sharper than the
Nikon (And, gasp, the Minolta 80-200 is a hair sharper than the Canon,
Oh my God, how can it BE!?!?!?!?).

So her declaration that Nikon glass is the only glass worthy of all
those 5D pixels is annoying misinformation.

In the 70|80-200 f/2.8's there are no dogs from Nikon, Canon or Minolta,
but of course one of them has to be "the sharpest" and one has to be
"the least sharp" ... but it's a photo finish <g>.

>>These lenses will beat their Nikon counterpart everytime.
>
> Why?  Those addicted to IS/VR are the only ones likely to have a
> legitimate dog in this fight.

No.  IS/VR lenses are actually a little less sharp than the non IS/VR
lenses.  The addition of an optical element to counter pitch and yaw
movement of the lens reduces the optical sharpness slightly.  They are,
of course, much better for handholding.  Now, handhold a 80-200 IS or VR
for any length of time then repeat the mantra: "I shall not leave my
mono/tripod in the car.  I shall not leave my mono/tripod in the car.  I
shall not ..."

>>In each camera system lens sets there are winners, contenders and dogs;
>>Nikon is no exception.  

Cheers,
Alan.

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Randy Howard - 17 Apr 2006 04:02 GMT
Alan Browne wrote
(in article <e1trld$rmg$1@inews.gazeta.pl>):

>>> These include (and are not limited to) the 85 f/1.2 (over the Nikon
>>> f/1.4),
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> with both stoped down a few stops; wide open the Nikon is most likely
> sharper than the Canon wide open).

Given that the Nikon 85 has historically always been seen as a
portrait lens, I don't see much point in wanting it sharper.
No distortion, fast focusing, not a problem.

I don't recall ever hearing anyone complain about sharpness with
that lens.  The 1.8 is a different story, but at about 1/3 the
price, that's not a surprise.

>> I dunno, I have zero to complain about with the 80-200 AF-S in
>> my bag.
>
> I never said you should.  Rita's ignorant assumption that Nikon means
> best of all lenses regardless of specific lens types is silly, strike
> that, annoying.

Okay, I'll give that it is silly.  Anytime someone claims every
product from vendor A is better than every product from vendor
B, you have to pay close attention.  In most cases, it will be
wrong.  However, if you were comparing Ferrari to Trebant, you
might be safe in doing so.  :-)

Clearly that isn't the case with any pairing from Canon,
Minolta, Nikon, Pentax, etc.

> The basic fact is that the 80-200 Canon is slightly sharper than the
> Nikon (And, gasp, the Minolta 80-200 is a hair sharper than the Canon,
> Oh my God, how can it BE!?!?!?!?).

It's a miracle.  No other solution is readily apparent.  :-;

> So her declaration that Nikon glass is the only glass worthy of all
> those 5D pixels is annoying misinformation.

It was clearly either tongue-in-cheek or trolling, so it didn't
seem worth getting upset about.  I shoot Nikon.  I have far too
much invested in it (unless someone magically wants to buy me
out someday) to switch at this point.  Still, there are times
when I wish I had access to a Canon lens, or a Canon body, or
both.  There are other times when I am glad to have what I have
now.  It's not a slam dunk either way.  But, just like rednecks
arguing Ford vs. Chevy, this nikon vs. canon thing is never
going to go away.  

> In the 70|80-200 f/2.8's there are no dogs from Nikon, Canon or Minolta,
> but of course one of them has to be "the sharpest" and one has to be
> "the least sharp" ... but it's a photo finish <g>.

*groan*

>> Why?  Those addicted to IS/VR are the only ones likely to have a
>> legitimate dog in this fight.
>
> No.  IS/VR lenses are actually a little less sharp than the non IS/VR
> lenses.  

I didn't make myself clear.  I was not referring to sharpness.  
I was referring more generally to the Nikon/Canon wars, and that
Canon generally is much stronger overall in image stabilization
across their line, although nikon seems to be trying to catch
up.  I just don't know if they have the resources to do it
anytime soon.

If I really needed it, I'd probably be shooting Canon now.  As
digital cameras get better and better at noise-free high ISO
shooting, it will probably become less and less important.  I
wouldn't be surprised to see digital bodies a few years from now
that can shoot ISO 3200 as good or better than ISO 200 on pro
bodies now, in which case it won't matter anymore.  Just about
every lens will be a winner if that happens.

> "I shall not leave my mono/tripod in the car.  I shall not
> leave my mono/tripod in the car.  I shall not ..."

hehe.  I thought I was being silly when I bought a Gitzo CF
tripod when they first came out.  I never go anywhere without it
anymore, and it's definitely paid for itself many times over.
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Rita Ä Berkowitz - 17 Apr 2006 04:45 GMT
> It was clearly either tongue-in-cheek or trolling, so it didn't
> seem worth getting upset about.  I shoot Nikon.  I have far too
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> arguing Ford vs. Chevy, this nikon vs. canon thing is never
> going to go away.

Of course it was tongue-in-cheek.  It's amazing how people in this group get
so excited over nothing.  Like I always said in the past, choosing between
Canon and Nikon can come down to a flip of a coin since both systems are
pretty much equal.  The only thing Canon got over Nikon that I want is that
fancy 5x macro lens. It might even be worth buying a 5D just for that one
lens.

Rita
Alan Browne - 18 Apr 2006 01:48 GMT
> Alan Browne wrote
> (in article <e1trld$rmg$1@inews.gazeta.pl>):
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> that lens.  The 1.8 is a different story, but at about 1/3 the
> price, that's not a surprise.

Roll back a few posts.  The whole issue is Rita's assertion that only
Nikon make glass that's "sharp enough" for the 5D's resolution.

The rebutal of mine is to point out that Canon make many lenses that are
more than adequately sharp for the 5D sensor, and for that matter
several that are a bit sharper than the corresponding Nikon.  That does
not mean that Nikon don't make fine lenses.  For that matter Minolta
make (er, made) a few that beat Nikon and Canon, and I would not be
surprised if Oly and Pentax and others had best of class lenses as well.

Is sharpness the end all and be all of a lens?  Of course not.  Other
qualities may be more or less important according to the shooters needs.
 Bokeh, vignetting, distortion, build, etc. etc. may be of more
importance shooter to shooter.  But no one company has it locked up
across all lenses in all, most or even some respects.

>>>I dunno, I have zero to complain about with the 80-200 AF-S in
>>>my bag.
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>
> It was clearly either tongue-in-cheek or trolling, so it didn't

Rita has blasted her ray guns before.  Mirrors up - fried Rita.

> seem worth getting upset about.  I shoot Nikon.  I have far too
> much invested in it (unless someone magically wants to buy me
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> up.  I just don't know if they have the resources to do it
> anytime soon.

Nikon = slow and deliberate.  Canon were much faster in the intro of IS
than Canon.  Canon have blasted Nikon in the sports PJ world (and other
PJ pursuits).  Nikon had some lean financials over many years and it
tells in their slower pace.  They will not disappear anytime soon
(unlike Minolta).

> If I really needed it, I'd probably be shooting Canon now.  As
> digital cameras get better and better at noise-free high ISO
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> bodies now, in which case it won't matter anymore.  Just about
> every lens will be a winner if that happens.

It was rare that I shot above ISO 200, so it's not like low noise 800
and up is such an important thing... but now I have it (although not as
clean as a 20D).

>>"I shall not leave my mono/tripod in the car.  I shall not
>>leave my mono/tripod in the car.  I shall not ..."
>
> hehe.  I thought I was being silly when I bought a Gitzo CF
> tripod when they first came out.  I never go anywhere without it
> anymore, and it's definitely paid for itself many times over.

I just got a Manfrotto 055MF but haven't had the chance to use it.  Damn
work.

Cheers,
Alan

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Rita Ä Berkowitz - 18 Apr 2006 02:25 GMT
> Roll back a few posts.  The whole issue is Rita's assertion that only
> Nikon make glass that's "sharp enough" for the 5D's resolution.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> importance shooter to shooter.  But no one company has it locked up
> across all lenses in all, most or even some respects.

Hey Jasper, roll back a few posts and quote where I even mention "sharp
enough."  I never said such a thing.  I did say, "Canon has as of yet been
able to produce a quality piece of glass that is able to take full advantage
of the 5D's awesome FF sensor."  Here is the exact quote.

"While we all agree that the 5D is an exceptionally great camera, the only
problem we have with it is Canon has as of yet been able to produce a
quality piece of glass that is able to take full advantage of the 5D's
awesome FF sensor.  If I recall, someone makes an adapter that will allow
Nikon lenses to be used on the 5D with limited functionality?  If this is
the case, the lens that set the standard for quality, the Nikon 17-35mm
f/2.8 AF-D, should be mated with the 5D for unbeatable optical performance.
Someone really needs to come out with an adapter that will allow full
functionality of Nikon lenses on Canon bodies."

That said, you are "rebutting" yourself on this one.

Rita
Andrew Haley - 17 Apr 2006 11:29 GMT
> Since Canon do not make a f/1.4 85mm, it is the point of comparison.
> The f/1.2 (surprisingly) is a bit sharper than the Nikon f/1.4 (at least
> with both stoped down a few stops;

I don't believe it.  The photodo measurements of these lenses stopped
down are nearly identical: one is f4 0.84. f8 0.86. the other f4
0.86. f8 0.87.  I don't believe that anyone alive has the visual
acuity to tell the difference.  Also, I suspect that different samples
of the same lens vary by at least as much as this.

Andrew.
cjcampbell - 17 Apr 2006 03:05 GMT
> >> ...the strap. It has a big Nikon D200 on each side of it. Now I'd rather
> >> not be at a parade and blatantly advertising that I have a better camera
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Mate, that was about the third most intelligent thing said in this group all
> day, give yourself a cigar.

Might be dangerous. Since he talks out of the wrong orifice, he might
try to put a cigar in there.
Skip M - 16 Apr 2006 06:44 GMT
> ...the strap. It has a big Nikon D200 on each side of it. Now I'd rather
> not be at a parade and blatantly advertising that I have a better camera
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Don <www.donwiss.com/pictures/> (e-mail link at page bottoms).

Easier to just buy a generic strap.  I've replace all of my "Canon Digital"
straps with Tamrac straps.

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Cynicor - 16 Apr 2006 18:25 GMT
>>...the strap. It has a big Nikon D200 on each side of it. Now I'd rather
>>not be at a parade and blatantly advertising that I have a better camera
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Easier to just buy a generic strap.  I've replace all of my "Canon Digital"
> straps with Tamrac straps.

I'm worried that walking around advertising that I use Tamrac straps is
just asking for someone to steal the strap when I'm distracted using the
camera!
Skip M - 16 Apr 2006 21:54 GMT
>>>...the strap. It has a big Nikon D200 on each side of it. Now I'd rather
>>>not be at a parade and blatantly advertising that I have a better camera
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> just asking for someone to steal the strap when I'm distracted using the
> camera!

Well, I have a couple of American Luggage straps I could let you have cheap,
but someone might mistake your camera for a suitcase.

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Pete D - 17 Apr 2006 01:13 GMT
>>>...the strap. It has a big Nikon D200 on each side of it. Now I'd rather
>>>not be at a parade and blatantly advertising that I have a better camera
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> just asking for someone to steal the strap when I'm distracted using the
> camera!

LOL.
DoN. Nichols - 17 Apr 2006 02:50 GMT
According to Skip M <shadowcatcher@cox.net>:
> > ...the strap. It has a big Nikon D200 on each side of it. Now I'd rather
> > not be at a parade and blatantly advertising that I have a better camera
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Easier to just buy a generic strap.  I've replace all of my "Canon Digital"
> straps with Tamrac straps.

    I have no idea who *really* made the strap which I am currently
using on my Nikon D70.  It is a blue fabric on foam rubber sandwich,
with no printing -- but it is about twice as wide as the D70 strap, so
it is more comfortable for me.  The only part of it which bears any text
are the plastic "seat belt buckle" snaps, which are marked as being made
by "Tifco".  I've had this strap for a number of years -- it used to
serve with a Nikon F (though is much newer than the F), and later with a
Nikon N90s as converted to digital by Kodak in the NC2000e/c -- and
*that* is one which *really* needs the wider strap, even with a 50mm
f1.4 lens mounted. :-)

    some of these days the foam rubber will disintergrate, and it
will be time to look for a new(er) strap.

    Enjoy,
        DoN.
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Randy Howard - 17 Apr 2006 03:47 GMT
DoN. Nichols wrote
(in article <e1us8m2s6u@news4.newsguy.com>):

>     I have no idea who *really* made the strap which I am currently
> using on my Nikon D70.  It is a blue fabric on foam rubber sandwich,
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> *that* is one which *really* needs the wider strap, even with a 50mm
> f1.4 lens mounted. :-)

I think I have one of those somewhere, I used to use it on an F5
when I had a 400mm AF-S mounted on it, but I never really trust
any neck strap when it has something heavy costing the price of
a nice used car hanging off of it.

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John A. Stovall - 16 Apr 2006 13:59 GMT
>...the strap. It has a big Nikon D200 on each side of it. Now I'd rather
>not be at a parade and blatantly advertising that I have a better camera
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>Don <www.donwiss.com/pictures/> (e-mail link at page bottoms).

Get a Domke strap and be done with it.  You can also stick some gaffer
tape over the name or in your case the red swoosh thing.  I've done
that so people would quit reading the name of the camera and then
saying, "Oh, how do you like the Canon. I'm thinking about getting
one. Should I....."

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Prometheus - 17 Apr 2006 01:33 GMT
>...the strap. It has a big Nikon D200 on each side of it. Now I'd rather
>not be at a parade and blatantly advertising that I have a better camera
>than you.

You could always fit a Sigma strap...

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darrell.larose@gmail.com - 17 Apr 2006 04:34 GMT
> >...the strap. It has a big Nikon D200 on each side of it. Now I'd rather
> >not be at a parade and blatantly advertising that I have a better camera
> >than you.
>
> You could always fit a Sigma strap...

<sarcasm>

The Sigma strap is only 1/8" wide, but they claim it's 2" wide  ;)

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cjcampbell - 17 Apr 2006 06:33 GMT
> ...the strap. It has a big Nikon D200 on each side of it. Now I'd rather
> not be at a parade and blatantly advertising that I have a better camera
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Don <www.donwiss.com/pictures/> (e-mail link at page bottoms).

Get a Carrysafe 100 camera strap from Pacsafe. Anonymous, well padded,
and it doubles as a security cable.
Helge Nareid - 17 Apr 2006 23:29 GMT
>...the strap. It has a big Nikon D200 on each side of it. Now I'd rather
>not be at a parade and blatantly advertising that I have a better camera
>than you.

My favoured Nikon strap is the AN-4B - narrow and black with no logo.
Narrow straps are in my experience more likely not to slip off my
shoulder, and black with no logo is the most likely not to attract
attention.

The AN-4B is like most of the smaller Nikon accessories difficult to
find, but on my latest visits to Tokyo I have managed to pick up a few
in the larger stores. I still have one or two unused ones stored for
future use, and they are most definitely _not_ for sale.
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David Dyer-Bennet - 19 Apr 2006 07:18 GMT
> ...the strap. It has a big Nikon D200 on each side of it. Now I'd rather
> not be at a parade and blatantly advertising that I have a better camera
> than you.

The free straps that come with most cameras are promotional items, and
have been for years.  What's the big deal?  

> Maybe it can be scraped off?

Well, maybe; it doesn't appear to be woven in, anyway.
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