> I've got the option of buying a D50 or D70s (not a D70 with a firmware
> upgrade, but the genuine article) for the same price from a reputable
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> Does anyone have side by side experience of the two cameras to give me
> some sound advice.
I use both. My wife has a D50 and I have a D70s. The D50 has lower
noise. Here is a test I did a while ago.
http://web.aanet.com.au/pics/docs/d50_d70s_noise.htm
I like the two control wheels on the D70s and the DOF preview. The
other significant advantage to me is that the D70s internal flash works
as a wireless commander with my SB600.

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Sheldon - 09 Apr 2006 05:43 GMT
If you ask me your test reveals that the D70s is sharper than the D50 (look
at the numbers on the boat). I'm assuming you used the same lens on both
shots. Other than the added noise in your low light shot, the D70s is still
sharper.
I have an upgraded D70, and the kit lens that comes with it gets rave
reviews. I also agree with the poster who said that the D50 is setup so you
don't have to screw around with the photos much, but you can always download
custom curves into the D70 evening things out.
Both cameras are excellent, and the reason the D50 has stolen the spotlight
from the D70(s) is that it's a lot of camera for the money. And if you
already have a bunch of older Nikon lenses, any AI or newer lens will work
on these cameras, and there are tons of older but great Nikon lenses
available used.
Personally, I like the added controls of the D70s, but then I used to shoot
professionally so I like the ease of adjusting all the settings. I also
think the D70s is a bit larger and heavier, which is a plus or minus
depending on the photographer.
Can't go wrong with either one, just look at the lens package they are
giving you. Both bodies are good, so you don't want to ruin the deal with
substandard lenses.
>> I've got the option of buying a D50 or D70s (not a D70 with a firmware
>> upgrade, but the genuine article) for the same price from a reputable
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> other significant advantage to me is that the D70s internal flash works
> as a wireless commander with my SB600.
Mike Warren - 09 Apr 2006 07:00 GMT
> If you ask me your test reveals that the D70s is sharper than the D50
> (look at the numbers on the boat).
I agree.
> I'm assuming you used the same lens on both shots.
LOL. I even put it in red letters because so many people asked.
> I have an upgraded D70, and the kit lens that comes with it gets rave
> reviews. I also agree with the poster who said that the D50 is setup
> so you don't have to screw around with the photos much, but you can
> always download custom curves into the D70 evening things out.
The 18-70 is definitely a much better lens than the 18-55 that
comes with the D50
> Personally, I like the added controls of the D70s, but then I used to
> shoot professionally so I like the ease of adjusting all the
> settings.
I would still buy the D70s over the D50.
> I also think the D70s is a bit larger and heavier, which
> is a plus or minus depending on the photographer.
That is the reason my wife chose the D50 over D70s.

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According to Aeroadster <Aeroadster.25yro0@news.photobanter.com>:
> Hi,
>
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> upgrade, but the genuine article) for the same price from a reputable
> supplier. They come with the usual two lens kits.
Hmm ... unless the D70s has changed recently, the kit lens for
the D70 (and D70s) is a single lens -- 18-70mm f3.5-4.5. The two-lens
"kit" only was made for the D50. Though vendors may elect to offer with
different lenses than should come with the camera -- both Nikon and
non-Nikon lenses. Are you *sure* that your vendor is offering the Nikon
lenses? I believe that the 18-70mm kit lens for the D70 is more highly
rated than the two (much less expensive) lenses for the D50.
> However, I'm not sure which one to go for since the reviews I've read
> clearly indicate that the D50 has a sharper output than the D70s.
I *believe* that what is really happening is that the default
settings in the D50 produce a crisper conversion from the internal raw
format to .jpg -- aimed more at the entry-level photographer who will
never progress to shooting in raw and custom processing them. It really
isn't sharper when you go to examining the details down at the pixel
levels, but it *looks* sharper in the overall image.
The default .jpg conversion in the D70 and D70s is aimed more at
preserving more of the image range to allow the photographer to have
more choice as to what will be shown -- after the picture is taken.
> Even Nikon UKs website has the D50 listed above the D70s.
>
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> on the D70s to produce pictures as sharply as the D50 i.e. with less
> noise at the same ISO levels.
Probably.
And, you get more flexibility with the D70s, because of the
greater number of controls -- in particular the two wheels (one for the
thumb and the other for the middle finger beyond the release button)
which allow better (and more convenient) control of shutter speed and
aperture when in manual mode. With the D70 and D70s, the thumb wheel
controls the aperture and the middle finger wheel controls the
shutter speed. I don't remember which the D50 gives you on its single
wheel.
Also, when you're pressing the "Qual" button, the thumbwheel
lets you control the jpeg compression (fine, normal, basic) and to also
select raw mode or raw+basic, while the middle finger wheel allows you
to select Small, Medium, or Large image size. You *can* select these
from the menus, but if you want to change in a hurry, having the two
wheels makes things a lot nicer. There is so much in the menus that
finding one particular option may take longer than you expect --
especially if you don't do it often. And sometimes, the limited space
for descriptive text in the menus may still send you to the manual to
figure out what a particular option does -- such as the "Shutter Speed"
(option 21), which does *not* actually set the shutter speed. Instead,
it sets the slowest shutter speed at which flash will be used in P and A
modes.
You *can* get explanations of some of these by hitting the '?'
button while a menu selection is highlighted.
And I believe that the D50 has no button to allow you to select
backlight on the LCD control panel on the top of the camera, nice for
setting options in the dark.
> Does anyone have side by side experience of the two cameras to give me
> some sound advice.
I've only handled the D50 once, and aside from what I mentioned
above (which is partly from the reviews read in the light of my own
usage patterns), I also seem to remember the viewfinder area being
smaller with the D50. (It also seemed darker -- but that may have been
because it had no fully-charged batteries in it in the store demo model,
so the lens had closed to minimum aperture.
> I've posted a similar message on other forums, but the only response so
> far is to read other people's non-comparative reviews....so not very
> helpful.
>
> Any constructive advice will be gratefully received.
Well ... you have my view of some of the differences as viewed
through my own perspective. Needless to say, what I actually *have* is
the D70 (not the D70s), with the firmware upgrade installed at the first
opportunity.
I hope that this is at least some help.
Good Luck,
DoN.

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Jeroen Wenting - 09 Apr 2006 13:35 GMT
> According to Aeroadster <Aeroadster.25yro0@news.photobanter.com>:
>>
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> lenses? I believe that the 18-70mm kit lens for the D70 is more highly
> rated than the two (much less expensive) lenses for the D50.
Many stores (especially chains) make their own kits using 3rd party lenses,
usually Sigma.
>> However, I'm not sure which one to go for since the reviews I've read
>> clearly indicate that the D50 has a sharper output than the D70s.
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> isn't sharper when you go to examining the details down at the pixel
> levels, but it *looks* sharper in the overall image.
D50 by default adds a higher degree of in-camera sharpening, that's all.
> The default .jpg conversion in the D70 and D70s is aimed more at
> preserving more of the image range to allow the photographer to have
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>
> Probably.
AFAIK they're the same sensor or very closely related. D50 just has
different software that does a lot in the camera that the D70 leaves to the
discretion of the photographer.
> I've only handled the D50 once, and aside from what I mentioned
> above (which is partly from the reviews read in the light of my own
> usage patterns), I also seem to remember the viewfinder area being
> smaller with the D50. (It also seemed darker -- but that may have been
> because it had no fully-charged batteries in it in the store demo model,
> so the lens had closed to minimum aperture.
Viewfinder on the D50 is definitely smaller and less bright.
And personally I found the one on the D70 to be too small for comfort (but
then I'm used to the F100).
Peter A. Stavrakoglou - 10 Apr 2006 00:35 GMT
> According to Aeroadster <Aeroadster.25yro0@news.photobanter.com>:
>>
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> isn't sharper when you go to examining the details down at the pixel
> levels, but it *looks* sharper in the overall image.
The D50 has a newer sensor than the D70s has, that may account for its
having less noise. Personally, I think the D50 does have less noise but I
also think that it's not quite as sharp as the D70s. All things being
equal, I'd choose a D70s but since money was a major criteria for me when I
bought my new camera in December, I chose the D50. I'm not anything more
than a rank amateur so this camera fits my needs just fine.
> I've got the option of buying a D50 or D70s (not a D70 with a firmware
> upgrade, but the genuine article) for the same price from a reputable
> supplier. They come with the usual two lens kits.
Blimey. I have a D50 and I love it but if I'd been offered a D70s for
the same price, I would have grabbed it so fast he'd have to be careful
not to lose his fingers.
HTH
Tom

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