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Photo Forum / Digital Photography / DSLR Cameras / April 2006Ebay DSLR sleaze (be afraid!)
Yeah, reputable auction site. I'm SURE the buyer paid this! http://cgi.ebay.com/Nikon-D200-Digital-SLR-Camera-Body-Kit-D-200-NEW-USA_W0QQite mZ7607091398QQcategoryZ43456QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > Yeah, reputable auction site. I'm SURE the buyer paid this! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Nikon-D200-Digital-SLR-Camera-Body-Kit-D-200-NEW-USA_W0QQite mZ7607091398QQcategoryZ43456QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Listing removed. Your suspicions appear to have been well-founded. Whatever it was.  SignatureI have no evidence for stating the above, but this is usenet, so I don't need any. > Yeah, reputable auction site. I'm SURE the buyer paid this! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Nikon-D200-Digital-SLR-Camera-Body-Kit-D-200-NEW-USA_W0QQite mZ7607091398QQcategoryZ43456QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem The auction has officially been pulled and deleted from the database by eBay. I did get a chance to look at the bid history before it was pulled. One of two things could have happened here. The first is bid shielding by a coordinated group of scammers. Bid shielders will bid ridiculously high amounts and retract them before the auction closes. What I remember is that a bidder can't retract their bid in the last twelve hours. The other thing that could have happened is Cametta canceled the bids prior to canceling the auction and a few last second bidders sneaked in prior to the canceling the auction. What really pisses me off is eBay removed the auction from public display. It really doesn't matter any since these people won't be getting their cameras and there isn't a damn thing they can do about it. Rita > I did get a chance to look at the bid history before it was pulled. One of > two things could have happened here. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > auction closes. What I remember is that a bidder can't retract their bid in > the last twelve hours. I looked at it while it was still there; a huge list of bids (I think it was about 8-10) were canceled in the last 3 minutes of the auction. All of the bidders doing the canceling were normal-looking, feedback-having users, except for one, and I didn't see any obvious connection among them. It looked very suspicious, but exactly what happened, I couldn't tell. Perhaps all those users had their accounts phished and it was all one person running the scam -- on the other hand, a couple of the bidders had feedbacks as recent as a day or two ago from other transactions, so the accounts weren't all inactive. Anyway, it looked like a buyer scam, not a seller one, to me. And the seller is well-known and highly regarded. SignatureJeremy | jeremy@exit109.com > I looked at it while it was still there; a huge list of bids (I think > it was about 8-10) were canceled in the last 3 minutes of the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > or two ago from other transactions, so the accounts weren't all > inactive. I'm inclined to agree with you that these could be phished accounts. This would make sense. I know there were a bunch of Romanian scammers using phished accounts to list the Nikon D2x and the Canon 1DS Mk II for a $1,000. > Anyway, it looked like a buyer scam, not a seller one, to me. And the > seller is well-known and highly regarded. Yep! I like Cameta and always highly recommend them to everyone. Rita Ebay's mandate is to remove anything that might look bad or dissuade sellers from advertising, especially one as large as Cametta. >> Yeah, reputable auction site. I'm SURE the buyer paid this! >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >It really doesn't matter any since these people won't be getting their >cameras and there isn't a damn thing they can do about it. Yes, it had gone by the time I looked. This discussion would make more sense if someone would give a brief summary of what happened. David SignatureDavid Littlewood > Yes, it had gone by the time I looked. This discussion would make more > sense if someone would give a brief summary of what happened. A D200 was bid up to around $1800 with a series of bids in the usual fashion. During the last three minutes of the auction, the high bidders each, in turn, canceled their bids, until the high bid was about $80 and the auction closed at that price. SignatureJeremy | jeremy@exit109.com >> Yes, it had gone by the time I looked. This discussion would make more >> sense if someone would give a brief summary of what happened. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >each, in turn, canceled their bids, until the high bid was about $80 and >the auction closed at that price. Thanks Jeremy, that's very clear (and very clearly some dodgy business). David SignatureDavid Littlewood It wasn't restricted to just the D200. A D50 went for about $5.00 and (although this one "could" be real), an Olympus E-1 went for $200. >> Yes, it had gone by the time I looked. This discussion would make >> more sense if someone would give a brief summary of what happened. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > bidders each, in turn, canceled their bids, until the high bid was > about $80 and the auction closed at that price. Here's eBay's help page on bid retractions. http://pages.ebay.com/help/buy/questions/retract-bid.html They don't allow bid retractions in the last 12-hours of an auction unless certain requirements are met. Here is what they say. "Less than 12 hours before the listing ends" "You can retract the bid within one hour of placing it. In this case, only that bid will be retracted; any other bid you placed before the last 12 hours of the listing remains valid." So, this must have been a coordinated effort by a few people trying to scam Cameta. I'll bet if this starts a trend for Cameta they will go back to using reserves. Rita >>> Yeah, reputable auction site. I'm SURE the buyer paid this! >>> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >Yes, it had gone by the time I looked. This discussion would make more >sense if someone would give a brief summary of what happened. Wot? You want to balance rage and ire against facts? Begone with you!!! :-) ----- Paul J. Gans |
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