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First DSLR, upgrade from Coolpix 990, suggestions please

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J. Clarke - 29 Mar 2006 21:41 GMT
I've been using a Coolpix 990 to shoot various odds and ends of computer
hardware for years.  Decided to try it instead of my old Leica M to shoot a
local sporting event the other day and realized that while it's very nice
for electronics in a studio, it has severe deficiencies for anything
involving movement and varying distances.

The issues I found with it were that first, the shutter delay is way, way
too long even with "hold at half"; second, the zoom range (for that
particular event anyway) was from "not quite wide enough" to "not quite
long enough"; third, the zoom controls are very awkward and slow when using
the viewfinder; fourth, the viewfinder doesn't show me whether the part of
the image that I want to be in focus is in fact in focus and doesn't give
me accurate framing.

I could try to find another point-and-shoot with the capabilities I need,
but I'm thinking I'd be better off to bite the bullet and get an
interchangeable lens SLR.

I'm leaning toward a Canon 350D with the 17-85 lens, which will give me a
little wider zoom range than the Coolpix.

There doesn't seem to be single Nikon lens that hits the zoom range I'm
looking for except the 18-200.  The 18-70 doesn't quite make it on the long
end and the 24-85 and 24-120 don't quite make it on the short.  The 18-200
is a temptation though.

Another concern is that sooner or later the Coolpix is probably going to
break beyond economical repair and I'll miss its macro capability, which is
greater than can be achieved with any lens in the Nikon range without using
extension tubes, while Canon has a purpose-made 65mm that covers the range
1:1-5:1 without even pretending to be a "normal" lens, unlike the Nikon
macros that only go down to 1:1.

So, anybody have any comments, am I overlooking something?

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Charles Schuler - 29 Mar 2006 22:54 GMT
> I've been using a Coolpix 990 to shoot various odds and ends of computer
> hardware for years.  Decided to try it instead of my old Leica M to shoot
> a
> local sporting event the other day and realized that while it's very nice
> for electronics in a studio, it has severe deficiencies for anything
> involving movement and varying distances.

How true.

> The issues I found with it were that first, the shutter delay is way, way
> too long even with "hold at half"; second, the zoom range (for that
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> but I'm thinking I'd be better off to bite the bullet and get an
> interchangeable lens SLR.

Yes there are some nice, fast P&S cameras out there, but a DSLR is where you
should be looking.

> I'm leaning toward a Canon 350D with the 17-85 lens, which will give me a
> little wider zoom range than the Coolpix.

That's a nice combo and will serve you very well.  Plus, you will be able to
add lenses later on to extend its capabilities.

> There doesn't seem to be single Nikon lens that hits the zoom range I'm
> looking for except the 18-200.  The 18-70 doesn't quite make it on the
> long
> end and the 24-85 and 24-120 don't quite make it on the short.  The 18-200
> is a temptation though.

The Nikon 200D seems (don't have one) to be a nice body.

> Another concern is that sooner or later the Coolpix is probably going to
> break beyond economical repair and I'll miss its macro capability, which
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>
> So, anybody have any comments, am I overlooking something?

Size, weight, cost have not been mentioned so I'll guess the above addressed
your important issues.
C J Southern - 29 Mar 2006 23:32 GMT
I think you're clearly into DSLR territory.

The 350D is a great camera capable of good photos, but a better choice would
be a Canon 20D (far more rugged, with better options). Reason I mention that
is that Canon have just released a 30D - it's a replacement for the 20D -
and a good one to go for if you've got the $$$, but it's also forcing down
the price on 2nd hand 20Ds to the point where there's virtually no
difference between a 2nd hand 20D and a new 350D.

Something you might like to consider.

(For what it's worth I started out with a 350D then took a loss and stepped
up to the 20D - and have no regrets).
J. Clarke - 30 Mar 2006 00:34 GMT
> I think you're clearly into DSLR territory.
>
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> also forcing down the price on 2nd hand 20Ds to the point where there's
> virtually no difference between a 2nd hand 20D and a new 350D.

I'm curious, where would one find a used 20D?  Around here finding a _new_
one is hard enough.

> Something you might like to consider.
>
> (For what it's worth I started out with a 350D then took a loss and
> stepped up to the 20D - and have no regrets).

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Rita Ä Berkowitz - 30 Mar 2006 02:09 GMT
> I'm curious, where would one find a used 20D?  Around here finding a
> _new_ one is hard enough.

Well, eBay is flooded with them.  Then there are many other reputable
on-line outlets that will have them.  You will do great with the 20D.  Just
remember to get the one with the U320 SCSI interface, as the 20Ds with the
SATA interface have been known to have reliability issues.  Seriously, any
Canon or Nikon body and lens system will give you great results, just buy
the one that fits your budget and needs.  Soon you will be addicted to
whatever you buy and money will be no issue when considering your purchases.

Rita
C J Southern - 30 Mar 2006 04:40 GMT
> Soon you will be addicted to
> whatever you buy and money will be no issue when considering your purchases.

Or so you've heard eh? ;)
Rita Ä Berkowitz - 30 Mar 2006 11:36 GMT
> Or so you've heard eh? ;)

Hey, who can resist just having one body and lens?  I'll tell ya, it never
ends.

Rita
C J Southern - 30 Mar 2006 04:51 GMT
> Just
> remember to get the one with the U320 SCSI interface, as the 20Ds with the
> SATA interface have been known to have reliability issues.

If I recall correctly it was an issue with the blue-tak failing to secure
the fluglebinder to the mainframe. Off memory they changed to an arrowroot
based adhesive which cured the problem, and made the camera smell a bit
nicer.
Rita Ä Berkowitz - 30 Mar 2006 11:36 GMT
>> Just
>> remember to get the one with the U320 SCSI interface, as the 20Ds
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> an arrowroot based adhesive which cured the problem, and made the
> camera smell a bit nicer.

LOL!  I just had to throw that SCSI/SATA thing out there for John since we
go way back and I know he'll get a kick out of it.  I'm glad to see him
expanding his horizons in digital photography.

Rita
nk - 30 Mar 2006 04:39 GMT
I upgraded from the 990 to a Canon 10d and then sold that for the 20d.
I love the 20d.  It is a great camera.  If I were you would look at the 20d and
not waste the money on the 350d.

Nath

>>I think you're clearly into DSLR territory.
>>
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>>(For what it's worth I started out with a 350D then took a loss and
>>stepped up to the 20D - and have no regrets).
C J Southern - 30 Mar 2006 04:44 GMT
> I'm curious, where would one find a used 20D?  Around here finding a _new_
> one is hard enough.

New ones are probably in short supply because it's effectively obsoleted by
the 30D - but as others have suggested, eBay or some good camera shops would
be a good place to start.

To give you an idea, I paid $2700 (NZ Dollars) for a 20D and grip not a year
ago - last week I saw the same thing in a major online auction site fail to
sell at a reserve of $1550 (I was considering selling mine, but now I'm
having to think twice).
Bill - 30 Mar 2006 06:15 GMT
>I've been using a Coolpix 990 to shoot various odds and ends of computer
>
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>I'm leaning toward a Canon 350D with the 17-85 lens, which will give me a
>little wider zoom range than the Coolpix.

While a good combo, I'm not too fond of the 17-85mm lense. It's not that
sharp and it suffers from distortion and CA issues. I think it's an ok
lense, but overpriced for what you get.

I have the Canon 350D/XT and it performs great, but you need good glass
on the front to get the most from it. I opted to stick with the high
performance Canon L lenses in favour of a less expensive body.

Canon bodies like the 20D/30D are great and designed for prolific users
who shoot a lot and need easier access to features and settings. But the
less expensive 350D/XT does almost everything the 20D does, and captures
images just as well, but requires a bit more time to switch some of the
more intricate settings. It's a trade-off and you should buy the body
that gives you the access to features you need.

>There doesn't seem to be single Nikon lens that hits the zoom range I'm
>looking for except the 18-200.  The 18-70 doesn't quite make it on the long
>end and the 24-85 and 24-120 don't quite make it on the short.  The 18-200
>is a temptation though.

How about the Nikon D50 with the 18-200mm lense? That would cover more
than you said you need and offers very good performance. The 18-200mm
has VR for image stabilization and is a surprisingly good performer that
covers a very wide range. It's one of the few lenses that covers a wide
range and does a good job at it, effectively giving you a single lense
setup.

Or since you want an SLR, why not get the 18-70mm lense for now, and buy
a decent 70-200 later when funds permit? That's the advantage of using a
camera with interchangeable lenses, buy what you want, when you want.

Something else to consider - if you have a bunch of memory cards that
you want to keep from the Coolpix, the D70s model uses those cards. The
D50 uses the smaller SD memory cards.

Now does that help, or just make it harder to decide?

:-)
C J Southern - 30 Mar 2006 08:16 GMT
> I have the Canon 350D/XT and it performs great, but you need good glass
> on the front to get the most from it. I opted to stick with the high
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> images just as well, but requires a bit more time to switch some of the
> more intricate settings.

It's interesting that you sound exactly like I did when I got my 350D -
until I got my hands on a 20D. Like you say, they do pretty much the same
thing, but there was just something about the 20D that said "solid" and
"quality" compared to a little voice inside that said "delicate" and "light
duty" about the 350D. The little voice just wouldn't go away - and I ended
up selling it to get the 20D, and to this day I'm glad I did.

Even today I'd take a 2nd hand 20D over a new 350D without hesitation.

Unfortunately I have another little voice whispering "30D" in my ear now -
perhaps I need medication (or an online experience with my CC :)
Bill - 01 Apr 2006 04:28 GMT
>> I have the Canon 350D/XT and it performs great, but you need good glass
>> on the front to get the most from it. I opted to stick with the high
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>duty" about the 350D. The little voice just wouldn't go away - and I ended
>up selling it to get the 20D, and to this day I'm glad I did.

I had the chance to play with both before making a purchase. I liked the
20D feel as well since it was similar to my film body, and I do miss the
rear dial from time to time.

However, I liked the very compact design of the XT and since almost all
the features were still there, but inside a menu instead of buttons, the
difference was negligible to me. I found there were shortcuts in the
menu that are not immediately obvious, and I can now change settings
almost as fast on my XT as on my friends 20D.

The smaller size is a bonus for me too, and the feel is very similar. I
think the "plastic" feel is mostly psychological with many people. Other
than dropping the camera or some other sudden impact, I think the body
is just as durable as the 20D.

>Unfortunately I have another little voice whispering "30D" in my ear now -
>perhaps I need medication (or an online experience with my CC :)

You should talk to my friend then...he hears the same voices.

:-)

He also suggested I buy his 20D when he upgrades...but I have no
interest in upgrading. I'm very content with my XT and find using the
20D to be "clunky". I'm sure I could adapt, just as I did for the XT,
but I just don't feel the urgent need to do so.
David J Taylor - 30 Mar 2006 09:04 GMT
> I've been using a Coolpix 990 to shoot various odds and ends of
> computer hardware for years.  Decided to try it instead of my old
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> need, but I'm thinking I'd be better off to bite the bullet and get an
> interchangeable lens SLR.

John,

My solution was to get two non-SLR cameras:  Nikon 8400 24 - 85mm, and
Panasonic FZ5 - image stabilised 36 - 432mm Leica lens.  Both have good
macro capabilities, including a tele-macro on the FZ5 with a 100mm field
coverage at a 1m working distance.  Shutter delay is not a major issue
with modern non-SLR cameras, like it could be on the 990.  Both these
cameras have electronic viewfinders for accurate framing.

For "shooting various odds and ends of computer hardware" a DSLR seems
like overkill to me.

David
Don Wiss - 30 Mar 2006 12:02 GMT
>Another concern is that sooner or later the Coolpix is probably going to
>break beyond economical repair and I'll miss its macro capability, which is
>greater than can be achieved with any lens in the Nikon range without using

If you only use it for macos it should last longer. And if it gets beyond
repair, then you can simply pick up another, or a 950, on eBay for $100 or
so. So my recommendation is to take the macro capability out of your
criteria.

Don <www.donwiss.com/pictures/> (e-mail link at page bottoms).
AaronW - 15 Apr 2006 15:06 GMT
> I've been using a Coolpix 990 to shoot various odds and ends of computer
> hardware for years.  Decided to try it instead of my old Leica M to shoot a
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> I'm leaning toward a Canon 350D with the 17-85 lens, which will give me a
> little wider zoom range than the Coolpix.

Canon 50/1.8
Canon 28/2.8
Olympus 0.7x
Canon 70-300/4-5.6 IS

http://digitcamera.tripod.com/#slr
J. Clarke - 15 Apr 2006 19:03 GMT
>> I've been using a Coolpix 990 to shoot various odds and ends of computer
>> hardware for years.  Decided to try it instead of my old Leica M to shoot
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>
> http://digitcamera.tripod.com/#slr

None of those fit my needs.

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Deedee Tee - 16 Apr 2006 01:40 GMT
[..]
>>> I could try to find another point-and-shoot with the capabilities I need,
>>> but I'm thinking I'd be better off to bite the bullet and get an
>>> interchangeable lens SLR.
>>>
>>> I'm leaning toward a Canon 350D with the 17-85 lens, which will give me a
>>> little wider zoom range than the Coolpix.

Any current DSLR will give you what you are asking for. Canon or Nikon
are my recommendations, especially if you want to buy good second hand
lenses at reasonable prices, or a broad choice of good third party
lenses. Your present needs do not seem to be very demanding, so you
should be better off with one of the low to intermediate models, like
the Nikon D70s or Canon equivalents, which will not cost you your
shirt and leave you with plenty of room to grow. Start with the kit
lens (Nikkor 18-70 for the D70s) and later buy lenses and accessories
as your needs develop.
J. Clarke - 16 Apr 2006 04:26 GMT
> [..]
>>>> I could try to find another point-and-shoot with the capabilities I
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> lens (Nikkor 18-70 for the D70s) and later buy lenses and accessories
> as your needs develop.

Now, please explain to me how a D70s with an 18-70 lens meets _any_ of the
stated requirements.

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