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Can a Canon lense fit a Nikon body ?
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dmedhora@gmail.com - 28 Mar 2006 14:00 GMT Hi
I Have an old canon EOS 3000 film SLR with a 35-80 zoom lense.
If I buy a Nikon D50 body only, can I attach the above lense to it?
If "no" then is there any adapter or thing I can do to make it fit ?
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george - 28 Mar 2006 14:37 GMT > Hi > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > - D The problem with any adapter (should one exist) is that the Canon line of cameras has a shorter distance from lens mount to image sensor/film plane than do Nikons. What that means is that if you can adapt a Canon lens to a Nikon it won't focus to infinity...you could use it for close-ups but I doubt that would be your intention with a general purpose zoom lens. Going the other way (Nikon lens to Canon body) works fine.
dmedhora@gmail.com - 28 Mar 2006 15:27 GMT Thanks George!
Yes I need to focus to infinity often, so then I take it that since I cannot use a Nikon with my old EOS lenses, then
1) My old canon EOS 3000 film SLR 35-80 lens **would** fit on a new Canon EOS 350D, and 2) The zoom would be the same i.e 35-80
Right?
Also, What about the Pentax ist DS body then ? Would the Canon lens fit on that too ?
Thanks again
Ian Riches - 28 Mar 2006 15:58 GMT > Thanks George! > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > 1) My old canon EOS 3000 film SLR 35-80 lens **would** fit on a new > Canon EOS 350D, and Yes
> 2) The zoom would be the same i.e 35-80 Yes and no. The focal length of the lens remains at 35-80mm. Those values are physical properties of the lens, and remain the same whether it is fitted to an EOS 3000, EOS 350D or sellotaped to a cereal packet.
The sensor in a 350D, however, is smaller than 35mm film. This gives rise to the so-called "crop-factor". Effectively, you are only using the middle section of the image that the lens projects, so its field of view is narrower on the 350D than a 3000.
For a Canon EOS 350D, the crop factor is 1.6. This means that the 35- 80mm lens has a field of view equivalent to a 56-128mm lens on your film camera.
> Also, What about the Pentax ist DS body then ? Would the Canon lens fit > on that too ? No. But to be honest with you, that lens is hardly the finest ever made by Canon. The sell on e-bay for a few tens of bucks. There are plenty of good reasons for choosing a 350D. Compatibility with that particular lens is not top of the list ;-)
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David Littlewood - 28 Mar 2006 16:13 GMT >Thanks George! > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >1) My old canon EOS 3000 film SLR 35-80 lens **would** fit on a new >Canon EOS 350D, and Yes, but by repute IIRC it's not a brilliant lens - that's hearsay as I never used one.
>2) The zoom would be the same i.e 35-80 > >Right? Well, right in that it will still be a 35-80mm zoom. Wrong in the sense that the field of view (FoV) will be narrower.
The 350D has a smaller sensor than the area of a 35mm film frame - by a factor of 1.6. This means that lenses on the 350D will give you a slice cut out of the middle of a 35mm picture, which will have the same FoV as a lens of 1.6 the same focal length will on 35mm. Your lens will "look" (in terms of FoV) like a 56-128mm zoom.
You may think the answer is picky - but it's important from some purposes to understand that it doesn't "make" your 35-80 into an actual 56-128mm lens, lots of formulae for depth of field and other purposes need the true figure.
You can get an impression of what this will look like if you mask down a picture from your EOS 3000 with some cardboard so that they are 1/1.6 (62.5% or 5/8) of their original length in both dimensions.
Given (a) the loss of any wide-angle view with this combination, (b) the reputed low quality of the 35-80. (c) the relatively low price of wide-mid zooms sold as kit lenses, you may wish to consider getting the kit lens. Others who have used these may care to comment.
>Also, What about the Pentax ist DS body then ? Would the Canon lens fit >on that too ? IIRC, the EOS specification has the lowest lens flange to sensor distance of all mass-market SLR systems, so it should be possible to get an adapter. There are web sites with details, which have been posted here recently. However, I have to ask: why would anyone bother paying money for an adapter to put a mediocre lens on the "wrong" system, with all the inconvenience of loss of metering etc. that this involves, when the "right" lens would not cost much more.
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timothy.j.green@gmail.com - 28 Mar 2006 16:21 GMT > Also, What about the Pentax ist DS body then ? Would the Canon lens fit > on that too ? Can I understand your desire to maximise the usability of your existing kit, but I think it is time to draw the line.
It can be done, but think about the cost, the risk if bodges are needed, and whether you'd actually want to use such a hodgepodge system where probably none of the automatic stuff (focus, aperture, zoom) will work nor the lens markings mean anything consistent.
This is just like computer hardware freaks using AMD CPU fans on their Intel CPUs, or drivers wanting to use a mishmash of parts to upgrade / pimp up their cars.
Take it easy, Tim.
dmedhora@gmail.com - 28 Mar 2006 17:24 GMT Hello All,
Thanks for replying, I appreciate it.
I'm in fact trying to be as cost-effective as I can afford. To be honest IMHO the prices of D-SLRs are slightly on the un-affordable side for amateurs ( especially for guys like me who live in the UK ) where things are that way anyways.
I never knew until now that the lens I currently have (The film SLR's EOS 3000 ) is a low quality lense. I certainly didn't feel it was that way - which by itself is interesting. In that, it brings me to the question of "What am i really looking for:)?"
I started about a month ago to find a good digital. I already am good with my film SLR but its too damned expensive to develop prints.
So I looked all around the internet and got quite turned on by the SLR-LIKE cameras namely the Fujifilm S9000 and the Panasonic FZ30
But to my dismay I read bad reviews about them - specifically that they are not as good as DSLRs ! Which I now tend to believe as well. I also think that the lack of image stabilization can be made up for by using a higher shutter speed and a slightly higher ISO, on the DSLR. So even if the DSLRS don't have IS ( apart from the maxxums ) , they are still better than the P&S SLR-LIKE cameras. Thats what I think.
But because of the price tags the DSLRS have on them currently I thought I'd just get a digital body and fit on my old lenses :) - Problem solved? ( Apparently not!)
Thanks again,
So now what do I do?
george - 28 Mar 2006 21:52 GMT > Hello All, > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > So now what do I do? Isn't this http://www.overstock.com/cgi-bin/d2.cgi?PAGE=PROFRAME&PROD_ID=1879162 like about £275? And surely you can pick up an inexpensive zoom on eBay??? (You'll still have to factor in the cost of a memory card but those prices are falling fast.)
Kennedy McEwen - 30 Mar 2006 01:06 GMT >Isn't this >http://www.overstock.com/cgi-bin/d2.cgi?PAGE=PROFRAME&PROD_ID=1879162 like >about £275? Nope - not by the time you add Value Added Tax, Import duty and shipping onto it.
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Jon B - 30 Mar 2006 12:53 GMT > >Isn't this > >http://www.overstock.com/cgi-bin/d2.cgi?PAGE=PROFRAME&PROD_ID=1879162 like > >about £275? > > Nope - not by the time you add Value Added Tax, Import duty and shipping > onto it. Yep, indeed follow the international checkout and they'll tell you that will be 390 UKP inc shipping and handling customs etc (Vat???)
As AJ Purdy will sell you a brand new boxed one, not refurbished for £350 I'd say that was a fairly lousy price, and you would have it tomorow not next month.
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Skip M - 29 Mar 2006 02:06 GMT > Hello All, > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > So even if the DSLRS don't have IS ( apart from the maxxums ) , they > are still better than the P&S SLR-LIKE cameras. Thats what I think. Actually, there are lenses available from both Nikon and Canon that have image stabilization built in, VR in Nikonspeak, IS in Canonese...any of them are probably better quality than the 35-80 you have now, but they cost more. (IIRC, the 35-80 was a "kit" lens with the 3000.)
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Tony Polson - 29 Mar 2006 09:31 GMT >IIRC, the 35-80 was a "kit" lens with the 3000. It was a 'kit' lens made by Tamron for several camera manufacturers including Canon and Nikon. It was a poor performer.
Skip M - 30 Mar 2006 00:34 GMT >>IIRC, the 35-80 was a "kit" lens with the 3000. > > It was a 'kit' lens made by Tamron for several camera manufacturers > including Canon and Nikon. It was a poor performer. As I remembered...
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Jon B - 29 Mar 2006 12:19 GMT > Hello All, > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > thought I'd just get a digital body and fit on > my old lenses :) - Problem solved? ( Apparently not!) The S9000/FZ30 aren't as good as a DSLR but depending on what you are wanting to do they could be good enough, if you've only ever used the kit lens on a EOS3000 I'm almost tempted to say it would probably be absolutely fine. Yes a DSLR will always be better, but how good do you actually need. Remember as well a crap lens on the front of your DSLR will actually make it worse than the slr-like cameras, I'll come back to this in a minute.
How do you get round it cheaply?? eBay. Every year Canon/Nikon etc bring out a new and slightly improved model, some people jump early and pay the price, sell on the quite nice and slightly used kit to fund the jump.
Personally I picked up a Canon D30, 3mp, good build, and a lens to get me going, £260 [1]. The D60 which replaced it with 6mp can be had for not much more, or the 10D (6mp again), which until 18month ago was the daddy prosumer Canon body can be had for about £350-450, instead of the £1200 it was new. (Course the Canon lens you have would fit the Canon body...., there are still some nice bargains going on Nikon stuff on eBay I just don't follow that market so don't know it)
When I say I've picked up one though, actually, I've ended up picking up two, as when I've seen my dad he's been pinching the D30 and doing a lot of contemplating, and to be honest I tried steering him towards the FZ30. But ultimately we got him a D30 with a Sigma 28-300 hyperzoom lens on (to get him going), which I warned him would be soft. He was happy enough with the results, until we compared it with the results from my Canon G2 compact which were sharper (across the bit of the range the Canon covers), he's now after some sharper glass. The results from the 28-300 aren't chuck in the bin crap, just the camera can do much better with better lenses on the front.
But eBay is great, have a look at 'fstopcameras' whos a good seller and 'phonebusta' who gets through a lot of DSLR kit. I've bought the D30 with a 28-105 for £250, a Tokina 19-35 for £70, a Sigma 28-70 f2.8 for £60 (fstopcameras), a Sunpak flash for £35, and a Tamron 70-300 new from AjPurdy for £100. Chuck in a 2gb card and an extra battery and I've spent a smidgen under £600, I wouldn't swap for the slr-like ;) All that kit should be sharper than the slr-like cameras, and of course once the budget has recovered a bit I hope to improve some of the lenses with some even sharper kit, Tamrons one for starters (bit soft 200-300), but be warned this can get addictive, I only got the camera a few weeks before christmas and built up the rest since.
[1] If you are v v v patient some people put them up buy it nows for less than £200, bargain and a half, I've missed all those though.
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JPS@no.komm - 30 Mar 2006 01:51 GMT >But ultimately we got him a D30 with a Sigma 28-300 hyperzoom lens >on (to get him going), which I warned him would be soft. He was happy [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >28-300 aren't chuck in the bin crap, just the camera can do much better >with better lenses on the front. I'm not saying that the 28-300 zooms are great lenses, but the comparison is unfair, as the smaller compact cameras sharpen their images more in-camera. In-cameras sharpening causes problems for future post-processing, and sharpening is usually best done with the final result; not early in the processing.
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><<> <>>< <>>< ><<> <>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< Jon B - 30 Mar 2006 12:53 GMT > >But ultimately we got him a D30 with a Sigma 28-300 hyperzoom lens > >on (to get him going), which I warned him would be soft. He was happy [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > post-processing, and sharpening is usually best done with the final > result; not early in the processing. Yeah I see where you coming from, its just the G2 just wasn't better, it's the sort of better I'd hope to see comparing a £2000 L lens to my £100 Tamron (70-300) better. We weren't talking magnifying glass differences, but jumping out and biting you differences, so in this case at least I think the glass on the G2 made a difference. This is why I've hung on to my G2, it is at the end of the day a bloody good camera, what it lacked was response, range, and easier manual control, and I'd still rather take the G2 to certain locations than the DSLR.
Comparing the D30 with that 28-300 to the Nikon 995 (compact) in the same focal lenths, the 28-300 was better (than the Nikon), but not hugely better.
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Fred McKenzie - 29 Mar 2006 18:14 GMT > I never knew until now that the lens I currently have (The film SLR's > EOS 3000 ) is a low quality lense. > I certainly didn't feel it was that way - which by itself is > interesting. In that, it brings me to the question of "What am i really > looking for:)?" Dmed-
I'm sure that lens was fine for your needs when you bought it. You could have spent much more money for finer lenses, but you might not notice the improvement if you had your photos printed postcard size.
Yes, you can use that lens with a Canon digital body. If you still print postcard-size photos, it may still be satisfactory. But it may not.
Since the digital sensor of most digital cameras is smaller than a 35mm film frame, a greater amount of enlargement is required to get to the same size print. If there are any shortcomings in the lens, they will be amplified by the same factor. In fact, you will likely enlarge your digital photos much more since it is easy to do in your computer.
Your least expensive path would appear to be to purchase a Canon 350 and use your old lens. For just a little more, you might get one that has the "kit" lens. This would allow a more normal zoom range. Your old 35-80 zoom lens is equivalent to 52.5-120 mm because of the small digital sensor's "crop factor". And, by choosing Canon you would be able to use most other Canon-system equipment you may have.
If you decide not to use the old lens, and don't have an investment in other Canon equipment, then all bets are off. Canon is just one of the good DSLRs on the market. Most here will likely recommend Canon. Many others are die-hard Nikon fans. Others have found that Konica/Minolta and Pentax digital cameras are quite good.
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AaronW - 16 Apr 2006 20:52 GMT > I'm in fact trying to be as cost-effective as I can afford. To be > honest IMHO the prices of D-SLRs are slightly on the [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > thought I'd just get a digital body and fit on > my old lenses :) - Problem solved? ( Apparently not!) You can get a Canon 350D and use your current lenses. Later, if you want wider, you can add a Canon 28/2.8. If you still want wider, you can add an Olympus 0.7x.
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default - 26 Apr 2006 09:16 GMT > You can get a Canon 350D and use your current lenses. Later, if you > want wider, you can add a Canon 28/2.8. If you still want wider, you > can add an Olympus 0.7x. > > http://digitcamera.tripod.com/#slr Hi Aaron,
I have noticed that you often recommend the Olympus 0.7x. Does this really work well on a dSLR? Are there problems with barrel distortion, chromatic aberation, or vignetting? Since the field of view area is increasing by 1.4x, does it reduce the F-stop number of the base lens by 1 stop or do losses compensate for the increased light input?
Does attaching it to the Canon EF-S 18-55mm produce a 12.6-38.5mm rectilinear lens or do you not get that wide because the 18-55 will see internal sides of the Olympus lens before you get fully zoomed wide?
I am considering shelling out of the EF-S 10-22mm lens, but I always wonder if a wide-convertor would produce good enough results to make the 10-22 not worth it, or if it would be wasted money to get the wide convertor and it would be better to put the money toward a proper wide angle and save up a bit more instead.
Does anyone else have experience using end of lens wide-convertors on DSLRs?
Thanks.
David Dyer-Bennet - 28 Mar 2006 18:00 GMT > Thanks George! > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Right? True. Focal length is a basic physical property of a lens system.
However, the sensor on the 350D is smaller than a frame of 35mm film. The images you took would be sections cropped from the center of the lens image. (The viewfinder on the 350D shows you what will actually be captured).
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BJ in Texas - 28 Mar 2006 22:12 GMT || Hi || || I Have an old canon EOS 3000 film SLR with a 35-80 zoom lense.
|| If I buy a Nikon D50 body only, can I attach the above lense || to it? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] || || - D Try Duct Tape... :-)
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C J Southern - 28 Mar 2006 23:25 GMT Plan B - why not just buy a Canon body?
I'm sure the differences between them will be a lot less than the hassels you'll get trying to get one brand to communicate with another.
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